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Any way we can blame the NRA too for the shootings in Paris and Brussels because apparently access to firearms is the only real problem in these
situations instead of the spread of a demented fundamentalist fucking evil religion that appeals only to psychopaths.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Any way we can blame the NRA too for the shootings in Paris and Brussels because apparently access to firearms is the only real problem in these
situations instead of the spread of a demented fundamentalist fucking evil religion that appeals only to psychopaths.
So Christianity?
And yes there are a lot of issues to deal with.
There is too much hate. There is too many people with deeply disturbing mental issues. And there is too much easy access to guns.
None of this will change.
People will provide their thoughts and prayers, and move on. Until it happens again. At which point they will have more thoughts and prayers.
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Paddlefoot
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You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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the goon
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I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
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bigfatgoalie
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Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
Fuck you for even thinking this, much less posting it.
Yeah, to bfg's post, there are always going to be the extremist wackos, in whatever their extremism is, that celebrate shit. You'll
always find 'em, no matter what the shitty thing was that happened.
But really?
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
I suspect you'll see a few from the pulpit "God punished sinners" type comments from the crazier outliers, and those seeking to flame of the
sake of flaming as they hide behind the anonymity that twitter and such offer....
But I think for the not crazy, but maybe a bit more fundamental than main stream Christian conservatives, this will still be seen as an outright act
of hatred and violence (probably more so than when someone shoots an abortion doctor).... I'd like to think that for most they've moved
beyond "shoot all fags" to a "hate the sin, love the sinner" stance?
That's me being optimistic though; as I'd like to believe that when we see violence perpetrated on such a level we recognize that our
differences stop mattering- that we might not like some of those things that make us different, but when 50 people get killed in a night of violence a
different type of revulsion happens in us at a human level that maybe doesn't happen when it's just one person....
I dunno, I'm not a Christian, but grew up with enough of them that I'd hope they'd see that hatred and violence benefits no one.
I'd also probably want to take a hard look at what I'm saying about others that practice a different lifestyle than what I think is right,
as it would make me sick to my stomach that even for a second someone might think that this is something that I could approve of.
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chretienbabacool
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
Fuck you for even thinking this, much less posting it.
And yet I notice you said nothing about Paddle's moronic statement about Islam.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
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Paddlefoot
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I'll give that sheer hatred of teh gayz is a cross-spectrum thing that the worst fundamentalists from all three major sects in this world share.
Other than that it's obtuse in the extreme to bring the Christian ones into this for no better reason than the Christian ones weren't the
evil fuckers who did this atrocity this time. It's the same basic logic as not blaming the Muslims for the Colorado Springs for the PP Clinic
shooting because that one was done by that bug-eyed Bible-thumping fuck and not by a Muslim. This isn't that difficult for anyone to fucking
figure out here.
And once again, if they say openly they're doing it in the name of religion and ideology take them at their word for it because they're
probably not fucking lying about it. It's this sort of evasion and equivocation from both ideological conservatives AND liberals that make me
want to stuff them all in a chamber and open the gas valves on the entire rotten fucking lot of them. To wit:
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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Paddlefoot
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quote:
Originally posted by chretienbabacool
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
Fuck you for even thinking this, much less posting it.
And yet I notice you said nothing about Paddle's moronic statement about Islam.
Posted above, and fuck you kindly too.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
Fuck you for even thinking this, much less posting it.
Jeez, if ever there was someone I wouldn't think would get their panties in a wad over a comment like this, I thought it would be you (unless
you yourself are a conservative Christian and that one hit a little too close to home, in which case I apologize for offending you).
And I'm generally the last person who would make offensive jokes around here about a tragedy. My comment was intentionally completely
ridiculous, because I find the anti-gay conservative Christian groups completely ridiculous, but I also was asking a legit question. I live in fucking
South Carolina and work in North Carolina, so I am quite familiar with anti-gay rhetoric. So I feel like it puts bigots in a bind when something like
this happens against a group who normally they'd want to deny rights to, find disgusting, and think are going to hell. Like do you feign
sympathy for the gay victims in this instance, even though you spend the rest of your time hating them? Do you just keep quiet and not say anything?
Or do you make tweets like conservative radio host Bryan Fischer did earlier:
"Muslim massacre in Orlando: difference between Islam, Christianity on homosexuals: we want them helped, they want them dead."
And fuck me for even thinking that? Yeah, how dare I wonder how the anti-gay Christian conservative types in America will respond to a terrorist
attack that specifically targeted gays. I'm a terrible person.
EDIT:
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Originally posted by Flash
I suspect you'll see a few from the pulpit "God punished sinners" type comments from the crazier outliers, and those seeking to flame of the
sake of flaming as they hide behind the anonymity that twitter and such offer....
But I think for the not crazy, but maybe a bit more fundamental than main stream Christian conservatives, this will still be seen as an outright act
of hatred and violence (probably more so than when someone shoots an abortion doctor).... I'd like to think that for most they've moved
beyond "shoot all fags" to a "hate the sin, love the sinner" stance?
That's me being optimistic though; as I'd like to believe that when we see violence perpetrated on such a level we recognize that our
differences stop mattering- that we might not like some of those things that make us different, but when 50 people get killed in a night of violence a
different type of revulsion happens in us at a human level that maybe doesn't happen when it's just one person....
I dunno, I'm not a Christian, but grew up with enough of them that I'd hope they'd see that hatred and violence benefits no one.
I'd also probably want to take a hard look at what I'm saying about others that practice a different lifestyle than what I think is right,
as it would make me sick to my stomach that even for a second someone might think that this is something that I could approve of.
Flash, I missed your response because apparently we were posting at the same time, but I do appreciate the level-headed response instead of just, you
know, telling me to fuck off.
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chretienbabacool
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
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Originally posted by chretienbabacool
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Originally posted by williamssl
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Originally posted by the goon
I wonder how the Christian conservative types feel about this one. On the one hand, it's Islamic terrorism, so BOO. On the other hand, the
guy's chosen target was a gay club filled with sinful homosexuals. So maybe this particular incident wasn't, like, so bad?
Fuck you for even thinking this, much less posting it.
And yet I notice you said nothing about Paddle's moronic statement about Islam.
Posted above, and fuck you kindly too.
If you think only psychopaths become Muslims you have the intelligence level of a rock and have no business being part of any society.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
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Paddlefoot
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With people like you who've entirely wiped out the concept that blame fall entirely on the person that pulls the trigger, as well as
what's motivated them, it's no wonder there's barely any goddamn society remaining at all.
[Edited on 6/12/2016 by Paddlefoot]
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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chretienbabacool
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
With people like you who've entirely wiped out the concept that blame fall entirely on the person that pulls the trigger, as well as
what's motivated them, it's no wonder there's barely any goddamn society remaining at all.
[Edited on 6/12/2016 by Paddlefoot]
You: "Only psycopaths become Muslims"
Me: "That is a moronic statement. Not only psycopaths become Muslims and you are stupid for saying so"
You: "You are trying to excuse the shooter! I am too stupid to actually understand how to do anything but post images and have zero ability to form
a reasoned opinion or create a valid argument"
Your last statement is one of the dumbest things I have read and that includes your Muslims are all psychopaths one. The guy who did this is insane
and horrible. He probably subscribes to an insane form of fundamentalism and fundamentalism is a disease and a plague on this world no matter what
form it takes.
In my two statements calling you a moron I never said he wasn't insane and horrible and that ISIS brand religion isn't insane and
horrible. This does not excuse in anyway your statement that only psychopaths become Muslims and if you truly believe that then you are a failure of
a human being. So either clarify your original comment or stick with being a failure.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
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Paddlefoot
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I also used the word "fundamentalist" in my original statement, which wipes out every bit of your straw-man attempt to say I didn't. I'm
waiting for your next bit of foolery, like maybe how his pledging the attack to ISIS and then ISIS giving him official martyr status for it has
nothing at all to do with their religion.
Also, daddy thinks he's the president of Afghanistan, supports the Taliban who hate the gays as much as ISIS does. Where oh where could this
upset young man have picked up such odd ideas about the queer folk?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the
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And only nut-cases do things like this? Let's see you be so forgiving with this fucking asshole from the American right-wing who was just picked
up before he did the same thing in Los Angeles. Are you going to say the voices from the church, the radio, the TV, or the internet didn't have
anything to do with stoking him up? Or is that an exemption from responsibility for their actions that liberals are only willing to grant to
Muslims?
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/indiana-gun-nut-who-planned-to-attack-los-angeles-lgbt-pride-had-a-history-of-criminal-violence/
[Edited on 6/12/2016 by Paddlefoot]
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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chretienbabacool
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Interesting that you use the word strawman when that entire post is a strawman argument. However, let's play along and let you walk back your
original comment. When you say "demented fundamentalist fucking evil religion" you actually mean "subset of religion which is ISIS" right?
Because what ISIS subscribes too is no more a a different religion than Southern Baptism is. It's a subset of Islam that pollutes and
misinterprets the Koran much as Southern Baptism does to the Bible. So did you just use bad language? This would be understandable since you
don't offer much besides picture posting.
Moving on to the rest of your strawman argument, you do realize psychopathy is a mental disorder right? It's a thing people called insanity, or
being a nutcase, before less offensive words started being used. So you're the one originally claiming that this guy is a nutcase, as are
followers of this "religion". Is this another statement you care to walk back?
I, for one, never claimed that radical fundamentalist beliefs didn't play a major role in deciding to kill homosexuals because fundamentalists
tend to hate homosexuals. I'm sure ISIS would love to wipe all of them off the face of the earth, as do many disgusting, insane people from all
religions and societies. Anyone who opens up fire killing lots of innocent people is still insane though, which you seem to agree with calling him a
psychopath. Continue to attribute more things I haven't said to me though and pretending I'm the one strawmanning.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
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williamssl
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Dearest Goon:
The thing about your post that set me off was you, based on my perception, using this as an attempt to unnecessarily slam Christians. Hey let me
just throw this out there and let it hang. No simple follow through like Flash easily did of "gosh I hope it wouldn't be that" or the like.
Maybe I reacted strongly to the "Christian" part and downplayed your "conservative" modifier. Maybe I have a vastly different definition of
conservative Christians that doesn't extend to them being WBC-esque in their beliefs and thus even remotely pondering that this tragedy was
"made less bad" by the notion of who it was targeted against.
What I will apologize for is that I, as a Christian, responded in a non-Christian-y way which I regret having done because HYPOCRISY!
Love,
me
EDIT: CBBC - do you only show up here when tragedy's occur to get into it with folks? Sure seems like it.
[Edited on 6-13-2016 by williamssl]
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Paddlefoot
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quote:
Originally posted by chretienbabacool
Interesting that you use the word strawman when that entire post is a strawman argument. However, let's play along and let you walk back your
original comment. When you say "demented fundamentalist fucking evil religion" you actually mean "subset of religion which is ISIS" right?
Because what ISIS subscribes too is no more a a different religion than Southern Baptism is. It's a subset of Islam that pollutes and
misinterprets the Koran much as Southern Baptism does to the Bible. So did you just use bad language? This would be understandable since you
don't offer much besides picture posting.
Bu bu bu but Christians do it too! Not lately, unless you're going to stretch yourself into knots to say the clown show at the Bundy ranch
(where no one even fired off a shot) are the same as ISIS. Or make the case that's coming out of your idiotic Justice Department that white
crackers with guns who hate the government are worse than Muslims who hate everyone. Last count after today for the past year - Muslims 64 (San
Bernardino & Orlando), crackers 1 (dipshit shot in Oregon by the cops).
quote:
Moving on to the rest of your strawman argument, you do realize psychopathy is a mental disorder right? It's a thing people called
insanity, or being a nutcase, before less offensive words started being used. So you're the one originally claiming that this guy is a nutcase,
as are followers of this "religion". Is this another statement you care to walk back?
I, for one, never claimed that radical fundamentalist beliefs didn't play a major role in deciding to kill homosexuals because fundamentalists
tend to hate homosexuals. I'm sure ISIS would love to wipe all of them off the face of the earth, as do many disgusting, insane people from all
religions and societies. Anyone who opens up fire killing lots of innocent people is still insane though, which you seem to agree with calling him a
psychopath. Continue to attribute more things I haven't said to me though and pretending I'm the one strawmanning.
Aggressive religion appeals to maniacs. Always has always will. Which is why Islam is so dangerous right now. It's dominant sects are highly
aggressive and stoked up. And they've put practically the entire planet, including other Muslims that don't want to go along with the
program, on the kill list. Your saying Islam can't be held accountable for this is as dumb as saying Christianity can't be held
accountable for the endless sectarian atrocities of the Thirty Years War. It does not compute because it's written in their damn books that "we
are allowed by god to do this to others who aren't us".
You can try all you want to take a simple incident with a simple cause and try to confuse and derail it with nonsense and false equivalencies. It
isn't going to work. As it stands right now what happened in Orlando is now the second-worst Islam-inspired terrorist attack to happen on US
soil. Milo said it best today "the problem with putting Muslims at the top of your victim hierarchy list is that they want to kill everyone else on
the list". Like I said before there's not much more to be said if one side won't even take these killers at their own words when they
commit these atrocities.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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chretienbabacool
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
EDIT: CBBC - do you only show up here when tragedy's occur to get into it with folks? Sure seems like it.
[Edited on 6-13-2016 by williamssl]
I only ever really posted in the political section with some sports. I read a lot still but most political posts now are a bunch of people posting
images and videos pretending that is intelligent speech so there's really nothing to discuss. I came here with this hoping there was some
rational, intelligent thought like with past horrible events which has helped alleviate some of the anger but I see you criticizing the
anti-Christianity post while ignoring Paddlefoot's anti-Muslim idiotic post and that just made me more angry. I dislike hypocrisy.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Bu bu bu but Christians do it too! Not lately, unless you're going to stretch yourself into knots to say the clown show at the Bundy ranch
(where no one even fired off a shot) are the same as ISIS. Or make the case that's coming out of your idiotic Justice Department that white
crackers with guns who hate the government are worse than Muslims who hate everyone. Last count after today for the past year - Muslims 64 (San
Bernardino & Orlando), crackers 1 (dipshit shot in Oregon by the cops).
Without getting into anything else, there has been plenty of white Christian guys going on shooting sprees over the past few years.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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Paddlefoot
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quote:
Originally posted by Matte
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Bu bu bu but Christians do it too! Not lately, unless you're going to stretch yourself into knots to say the clown show at the Bundy ranch
(where no one even fired off a shot) are the same as ISIS. Or make the case that's coming out of your idiotic Justice Department that white
crackers with guns who hate the government are worse than Muslims who hate everyone. Last count after today for the past year - Muslims 64 (San
Bernardino & Orlando), crackers 1 (dipshit shot in Oregon by the cops).
Without getting into anything else, there has been plenty of white Christian guys going on shooting sprees over the past few years.
Yeah, and I call them out on it when it happens, like I did a few posts ago with the PP Clinic shooter where I specifically mentioned that the
environment he was living in (including his religious affiliations) have to shoulder the blame too. Assume some Tea Party whackjob shoots Obama in the
next few months. Is it reasonable to say that environment he operated in, drenched from top to bottom in visceral anti-Obama hatred, has nothing to do
with at least encouraging him? I got in major shit on another board when I said that the anti-incumbent anti-Democrat atmosphere in Arizona, that had
been deliberately set to a fever pitch by assholes like the anti-Mexican immigrant types and by Sarah Palin's reckless way of talking, had to
have something to do with Jared Loughner shooting Gabby Giffords in the head. The conservatives I pissed off wanted to nail me to a board for stating
what to me was an obvious truth, that even if Loughner was genuinely crazy his addled brain was still absorbing the crap around him and it was
basically proven by his choice of target, by his decision to attack a political event hosted by someone the right-wing had demonized and dehumanized.
If I'm right when I say that about things right-wingers and conservatives have encouraged and committed then why am I wrong in saying the exact
same thing about something that was obviously encouraged by the Muslim religion? To me this is as demented as saying something like "yeah, those guys
running the death camps were a bunch of pricks and all but technically Nazi ideology had nothing to do with it".
F-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f........... 
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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bigfatgoalie
The Man
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You keep using the word Muslim. That word does not mean what you think it means.
"I am a Muslim and there is nothing Islamic about killing innocent people in Paris, San Bernardino, or anywhere else in the world. True Muslims know
that the ruthless violence of so called Islamic Jihadists goes against the very tenets of our religion."
- some Ali guy. I think he was a boxer or something.
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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Too bad what he said never got through to Omar Mateen.
Can't deal with the denial much more. Might stop now with this.
Read something that the first responders in Orlando went through the same thing that they paramedics and firefighters did at the Bataclan in Paris. As
they were sorting the bodies out the victim's cell phones kept going off as family and friends were calling them to see if they were alright.
Can't imaging a more PTSD-inducing moment for these guys, and they're much tougher men and women than I'll ever be, to look at a
phone clutched in the dead hand of some kid with a bullet hole in his head and to see "Caller: Mom" on the screen.
quote:
I think of the chimp, the one with the talking hands.
In the course of the experiment, that chimp had a baby. Imagine how her trainers must have thrilled when the mother, without prompting, began to sign
her newborn.
Baby, drink milk.
Baby, play ball.
And when the baby died, the mother stood over the body, her wrinkled hands moving with animal grace, forming again and again the words: Baby, come
hug, Baby come hug, fluent now in the language of grief.
�The Cemetery Where Al Jolson is Buried�
- Amy Hempel
I need to cry now and I surely do not give a fuck what anyone thinks of that.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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Flash
The Great One
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I don't want to blame any religion of something like this, but I think it might be hard to separate faith from something like this because for
many of us it is so innate in the core of our being....
I don't see this as a Muslim thing, or a Christian thing, but instead a human thing. That somewhere in this flawed person a very bad idea was
given birth, and maybe because of his faith, or his culture, or the society we live in it was raised up into something that cost a lot of people their
lives.... maybe he got a parking ticket that morning.
I look it like this; labels are easy... We call Hitler a monster but it in some ways does a disservice to what he did (which was monstrous). Here was
a man who loved his dog, and his mistress/wife... in loving something he demonstrated a complexity that made him human, and I think in that we are
missing out on something by throwing an easy label like "monster" on him... because I think to demonstrate love, and to THEN go out an perpetrate
such violence and hatred is something so much more complex and worse than the simplicity of a word like "monster".
The man who shot up that club may have done so because of his faith, but I think it's more complex than simply saying he did it because his God
told him to... That same God inspires people to great acts of love and charity, so I'm left thinking that no matter what reason a person might
give for doing something like this it comes down to something inside them... I don't mean some soulless evil, but whatever it is that makes us
as humans tick, and for people like that to be a few ticks out of synch with how we should be...
I'm getting rambly here, but maybe it's like religion can be the weapon, but it's still up to the person pulling the trigger to
decide to pull that trigger... you can either defend a greater idea with your faith, or use it to strike others down.
I don't know... I feel tired you know? Weary.... I don't want to blame anyone because I think at times like this is when we should all be
coming together; that dialogue builds bridges... but it's hard to do right now when all you see is violence and hate in the papers, and the
future seems bleak... it's easy to want to close your doors to the world and suspect peoples differences mean they want to do us harm....
I think what makes me most tired is that I know this won't change a thing... it will lead the news cycle for the next few weeks, and we'll
all be a little more afraid, and intelligent people will argue amongst themselves over the reasons... but what won't change is that this will
happen again, and again....
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