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posted on 7-8-2016 at 05:32 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
To keep this accurate, he is a former member of Congress... but he is still an asshole.





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posted on 7-8-2016 at 07:56 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by OOMike
To keep this accurate, he is a former member of Congress... but he is still an asshole.


He is an asshole. I lived in his district and he won against a weak Democratic Congresswoman (who was once described as the dumbest person in Congress) when my neighbor (the green party candidate) siphoned off about 4% of the vote (it was the difference). My neighbor was unapologetic. Walsh lasted one term and lost in a new Congressional district (redistricting after the 2010 census). He is pretty universally hated by Republicans, was a rare member of Congress that had his pay taken away for backed child support and now has an obnoxious radio show on the Chicago conservative talk station. He offers nothing but obnoxious and useless rhetoric. I'd be happy if he was shit-canned.



[Edited on 7-8-2016 by bopol]





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posted on 11-28-2016 at 05:42 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter/

"A suspect is dead following an active shooter report Monday morning on Ohio State University's campus, a federal law enforcement official said. The official, who has been briefed on the latest information on the situation, said law enforcement on the ground believes the threat is contained. The official stressed this is early in the investigation and the sweep of campus continues.

At least eight people were taken to hospitals after an active shooter was reported on the Ohio State University campus Monday, authorities said.
One of those eight patients is in critical condition, Columbus Fire spokeswoman Rebecca Diehm said."



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posted on 11-28-2016 at 06:59 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There were also reports on CNN that a car and a machete were both used in the attack.





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posted on 11-28-2016 at 07:08 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There are multiple reports, some contradict others.... I have heard 7,8,9 victims, 1 critical. A SUV drove into the Engineering building and might have caused a chlorine gas leak. Knives, machetes, and/or guns were used. One suspect dead, two more in custody.

Just wait and give the news outlets 24 hours to get an official story, then 25 hours for the conspiracy shit to start.... oh wait, it already has.

ETA: CNN is reporting as of 1:07pm that 10 victims and the guy was wielding a butcher knife.

[Edited on 11-28-2016 by OOMike]





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posted on 11-28-2016 at 08:40 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Developing news summary seems to indicate that no guns were involved. Somali migrant went on a stabbing spree until the cops shot him down. Has all the hallmarks of another Muslim terror attack.





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posted on 11-29-2016 at 09:34 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
No guns, just a knife and lone dumbass. I wish I could be a cop in this situation. I would totally aim for the dick. Then I would stomp on said dick. Over and over until my foot broke.

This is fucking great. We have a large Somali population and I expect "revenge" attacks on their population any day now. Way to go religion...

Also, I don't get Facebook with shit like this. Half my friends were "checking in safe" during "The Violent Incident in Columbus". People that literally live hundreds of miles away were checking in as safe...?

And folks are sharing the photo of the cop that killed the knife guy, and declaring him a hero. Great way to expose his identity to crazed radicals, guys. Great fucking job. And no, he's not a hero. He's a cop and he did his job correctly. It's a hard job and the stress he was under must have been hard to imagine, but he's still just a guy like you and me.

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posted on 11-30-2016 at 01:28 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
And what is not being discussed (that makes him a hero) is that when he arrived at the scene, he told him to drop the knife and get on the ground, and once he didn't and continued his attack the cop shot him. Apparently it is possible to talk to a black guy before shooting him, obviously he never worked in Cleveland.





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posted on 11-30-2016 at 05:26 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by OOMike
obviously he never worked in Cleveland.

Or Chicago.

Or New York.

Or Charlotte.

Or Albuquerque.

Or LA.

Or Baton Rouge.

Or St. Louis.

Or Minneapolis.

Or Baltimore.

Or Philadelphia.





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posted on 11-30-2016 at 07:08 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I was referencing Tamir Rice, but point taken.

File this under unsubstantiated (for now I will try to investigate further), the differing reports on the number of victims might have something to do with this... My wife was at OSU (at the hospital taking a class) on that day, and she was able to talk to her teacher today about the attack (her class is Mon and Wed) and not surprisingly her teacher knows one of the victim who almost had his thumb severed. But the story is, it wasn't one shot, one kill from the campus police officer, apparently there were multiple victims (innocent bystanders) that were shot by the officer besides the attacker. Obviously the school and police are trying to keep this quiet (if true) but it would hurt also hurt the narrative about if everyone was armed people would be safer.





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posted on 11-30-2016 at 10:28 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Please update OOMike.

From what I read he was classically trained in Israeli counter terrorism, 3 shots after the command.





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posted on 11-30-2016 at 10:52 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Please update OOMike.

From what I read he was classically trained in Israeli counter terrorism, 3 shots after the command.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/active-shooter.html

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/news/reports-of-active-shooter-at-ohio-state/ntFc9/

At least one bystander was shot in the foot by the officer as she was running from the scence.

Although not confirmed by mainstream outlets, there are several reports that the officer emptied his clip into the guy.

Meanwhile, conservatives are having a collective orgasm because a white cop used a gun to kill a black Muslim terrorist.





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posted on 12-1-2016 at 03:14 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Social media account full of jihadi bullshit - check. Embraced by ISIS after the fact - check. This might not be the kind of guy you want to turn this incident into another BLM-inspired black-victim white-evil racism-racism-racism! story line.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 12-1-2016 at 01:40 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by merc
Please update OOMike.

From what I read he was classically trained in Israeli counter terrorism, 3 shots after the command.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/active-shooter.html

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/news/reports-of-active-shooter-at-ohio-state/ntFc9/

At least one bystander was shot in the foot by the officer as she was running from the scence.

Although not confirmed by mainstream outlets, there are several reports that the officer emptied his clip into the guy.

Meanwhile, conservatives are having a collective orgasm because a white cop used a gun to kill a black Muslim terrorist.


Thanks CC.

I think you took liberty with the bystander statement. The report only says she was "shot in the foot". My thought is ricochet or a continuing bullet. I'd not call either of those "by officer" although the bullet likely came from his weapon. It's splitting hairs, but the words change what may be interpreted as intent.

Shot in the foot by the officer

Shot in the foot by a stray bullet

Shot in the foot by a ricocheting bullet

One sound intentional, one sounds reckless and one sounds accidental. I didn't see anything clarifying how the foot was shot. But I digress!

Chest and head injuries after ignoring the command is what triggered my original post. I mentioned the Israeli type response because it is a radically different approach than what Europe or North America have experienced. It is not pretty, nor warm & fuzzy. I have had just enough exposure to it via some business continuity stuff about 20 years ago to be aware, not an expert.

What I remember is Individual responders are trained to charge the target, command while moving into close range, body shot to stun, head shots to eliminate. The action is to minimize suicide bomber activation. This cop seemed to behave as if that was how he was trained.

The videos on this aspect of the program were pretty disturbing, focusing more on those responders that were unsuccessful in executing the technique and the aftermath. (There's a whole social discussion around how those videos affect the individuals being trained, the recruiting process and extension to the individual's families. I'll sum my thoughts at the time to "this is fucked up.")

As an aside, I was also disturbed by the continuity videos. There was a neighborhood grocery store where an attacker was successful in detonating at the storefront. IIRC, the investigation thru rebuild took something like 48-72 hours and the store reopened with no indication something had happened.

The disturbing part, for me, was how the culture balanced respect of the dead vs. mental well being of society (my editorial not something they discussed).





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posted on 12-1-2016 at 11:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Holy shit. How would they keep that under wraps. OSU is huge and there must have been a lot of witnesses.
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