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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:00 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
After the last two matches, I only know one thing: we NEED to get Trump elected in November so that he can build that wall and stop all of these fucking Japanese wrestlers from coming here and beating all of our wrestlers!!!! #VoteTrump #FuckJapan #SamiZaynIsTheBestAmericanWrestler

But in all seriousness, as a guy who barely ever catches NXT (I know, I know...bad wrestling fan), this show has been awesome so far. This was my first exposure to Nakamura, and holy shit was that match fucking amazing. Great, great stuff. And for those who are more knowledgeable about the guy than me, what exactly is his gimmick supposed to be? Vaguely gay? Flamboyantly eccentric? Either way, I think it's great, but I'm afraid it wouldn't go over quite so well in front of a RAW crowd in Bumfuck, Mississippi or something.

Also, that was my first time seeing Asuka but I dug her. One complaint though: with the creepy mask she wears to the ring (which is cool), I feel like she needs more of a Ringu vibe with her character and not the "Rockers circa 1988" ring attire she wears. Then again, I've only watched her this once, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

Okay, now off of the computer I go so that I can watch Balor/Joe.

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:03 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Kudos to the announce team for explaining the ref/medical stops and Joe and Balor for managing to keep a flow to the match so far.
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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:04 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Call me old school...and I know the dangers of modern life & such...but these guys walking around with rubber gloves interrupting the match to check on a bleeding wrestler really kills the momentum of a match and waters down the entertainment value.
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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:06 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
WWE I think really dropped the ball on Samoa Joe they should have signed this dude years ago.
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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:08 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Understanding the momentum issues it causes, but every other real fight sport these days has time to close cuts and wounds and wrestling doesn't have rounds...so...it's not great, but I can make a concession in my enjoyment to keep these guys safe. It's the new normal.

BTW, as coincidence would have it, the Warriors-Celtics game was just stopped because Steph Curry was bleeding.

ETA


Nice ode to Hart-Piper Wrestlemania VIII there from Balor-Joe. Balor retains. Fun match.

[Edited on 4-2-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:16 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
If you are going to "borrow" a finish, there are worse to take from than Bret/Austin. 3 REALLY good matches and one OMG match. People mock the pro-WWE folsk with "somethings, something, NXT"...but fuck it, NXT is awesome.
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If you are going to "borrow" a finish, there are worse to take from than Bret/Austin. 3 REALLY good matches and one OMG match. People mock the pro-WWE folsk with "somethings, something, NXT"...but fuck it, NXT is awesome.


Yeah, exactly. There's no need to compare. That was a wicked exciting NXT Takeover with one match that may wind up being legendary. Excellent start to what should be a great weekend. Looking forward to Evolve tomorrow and Wrestlemania Sunday. Man oh man. 1/3 already reaching the levels we hoped for.


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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:22 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Man, as much as those first two matches were fun, the last three just ramped it way the fuck up. I wasn't expecting anyone to top Nakamura's general weirdness and what it brought to that match (plus that extended spot with the back and forth forearms), but Bailey and Asuka topped it with the pass-out finish. Then when I was all settled into the idea that Joe and Finn we're gonna have a perfectly serviceable indie-tastic match, they just wailed on each other and the juicing, including the ref stoppages, just helped sell how serious their heat was. I marked.
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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:38 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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If you are going to "borrow" a finish, there are worse to take from than Bret/Austin. 3 REALLY good matches and one OMG match. People mock the pro-WWE folsk with "somethings, something, NXT"...but fuck it, NXT is awesome.

Well, to be fair, NXT is fucking awesome. The whole something...something...NXT thing is directed at those who defend HHH, not those that like NXT.





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 07:48 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I don't even know what to say about that Zayn-Nakamura match. Absolutely incredible. The forearm war in the middle of the match was done so well. This match will be on the top of most lists at the end of the year, and for good reason.

The ladies had a hell of a hill to climb after that, and the match suffered a little bit from crowd fatigue, but I dug the story they told and credit to the announcers for adding TO that story, as opposed to away from it.

Speaking of which, NXT does such a great job of highlighting the wrestlers and their STYLES of wrestling in their highlight packages. The Main Roster packages are really good from a production standpoint, but miss those elements to focus on drama and story lines, obviously. But NXT somehow manages to combine all of that and make their recaps relevant and informative. Infotainment at it's finest.

Count me in with the crowd that hates seeing the refs stop the match for blood. Yes, I understand why they do it, but you know what? That wanker crowd was right...LET JOE BLEED. These tow have been involved in a crazy feud for months now. Getting color right off that bat and doing his best Muta impression helped ramp this match up after following an excellent women's match and an epic Nakamura/Zayn masterpiece.

In other words, the blood helped make the match memorable and it should have been embraced. Joe pushing the refs away was a nice touch to help his bad as image, but they should really play these things by ear. Joe was fine to wrestle and was in charge of his faculties.

Nonetheless, a tremendous main event and a terrific card, in general. Plus...Bobby Roode! NXT is starting to look like the TNA locker room from 2009.

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 04:05 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Nonetheless, a tremendous main event and a terrific card, in general. Plus...Bobby Roode! NXT is starting to look like the TNA locker room from 2009.


Which is ironic because unheard during that picture of Vince watching NXT was him saying to Bucky "So you know, Hogan's coming back tomorrow. And I think I'd really like for us to do a story where he buys NXT with his new money."





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:35 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
A better angle of the Shinsuke finish.



[Edited on 4-2-2016 by Matte]





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 05:43 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I mean... yeah, safety is a big issue today and all, but that was some pussy nonsense last night. It was a cut on his eye. Check on it once if you're that worried about him-- I guess-- but after that just let it be, for fuck's sake. They ended up looking like some overprotective mother running out there to check on her son's boo boo.





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 06:11 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yeah, save that for Reigns' matches, not for a lifelong warrior like Joe.

I began the evening wanting to see Asuka put the von Raschke claw on Izzy. By the end of the match I felt sorry for the kid.





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 06:26 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Great event. Te send off for Zayn was perfectly done, and Nakamura is the perfect example of having the "it" that Reigns does not. And for the record that has nothing to do with either guys skillset etc. Just "it".

I thought Joe and Balor made a great job of working around the cut, and ultimately it gives Joe a great excuse for not getting the win and leaves him looking badass as ever.

Regarding the TNA references, sure, 2004-05 TNA was putting out the best product by miles, and that was mostly based on Styles, Joe, and Daniels.

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 06:32 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I dunno, they've done quick check ups before. I remember them taking like 20 seconds with Batista once. Checking on Joe over and over again must have had a good reason. Even if the medics were ultimately wrong and it was just a cut, can't blame them for putting safety first.
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Joe really did look good through all the medical interferences. He visibly rolled his eyes when they first ran in to check him out. He demanded his own towel at one point to wipe the blood so the medics wouldn't step in again. He was on his hands and knees when the "let Joe bleed" chant picked up and he nodded his head in agreement. It looked good for him to be at odds with medical and not just go along with it.





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You know this would be such a great tactic for a good cowardly heel. To have like the tiniest of tiny cuts and just be demanding over and over for it to be checked. Miz could totally work something like this.

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 09:02 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
THAT was a show. Thankfully I made a pilgramage out of town for the weekend to hang out with my best friend who still follows the product. Psyched to see American Alpha getting a run with the titles, even though it's a little bittersweet since the prospects for The Revival seem to be nil beyond NXT. Aries and Corbin was fun and it's great to see Corbin putting the pieces together. His Mad Max jacket screams main roster promotion if I didn't think that somehow this is going to lead to him taking on Regal.

It was a rough evening for my friends daughter who is a massive Sami and Bayley mark haha. I still can't get over how surreal it was to see Shinsuke Nakamura on WWE television. Still can't get over that. And that THEME. So good.

ETA: post #999!





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 09:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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You know this would be such a great tactic for a good cowardly heel. To have like the tiniest of tiny cuts and just be demanding over and over for it to be checked. Miz could totally work something like this.

[Edited on 4-2-2016 by Nobledictator1278]


It's a shame everybody in the ring/commentary booth isn't telepathic because it'd have been cool for the story to have been Joe annihilating Finn but keeping having his momentum broken by ref stoppages so Finn could recover then have him pull that ending out because Joe gassed himself out early.

On everything else: Pretty much what you all said except I think Corbin did fine (because of course I did) probably just not the best pairing for whatever reason.

[Edited on 4-2-2016 by The Hitcher]

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 09:18 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
NXT: We now have more TNA Originals than TNA does.

Seriously, I think HHH is now trying to prove he can book TNA better than TNA can and is succeeding.

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Yeah, save that for Reigns' matches, not for a lifelong warrior like Joe.

I began the evening wanting to see Asuka put the von Raschke claw on Izzy. By the end of the match I felt sorry for the kid.
Supposedly, Izzy had to be carried out of the arena by her fatther after the match.

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posted on 4-2-2016 at 09:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yeah, I heard about that. Poor kid.





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 10:07 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by CM Crunk Aries and Corbin was fun and it's great to see Corbin putting the pieces together. His Mad Max jacket screams main roster promotion if I didn't think that somehow this is going to lead to him taking on Regal.


Hopefully that happens never. This is an actual x-ray of Regal's neck that he posted on his Twitter and Instagram a few weeks back as a warning to young wrestlers to what might happen to them from botches, other mishaps, and just plain ol' overall wear and tear.



Apparently Tyson Kidd's most recent x-ray shows the same sort of thing from his accident. Not sure if Nikki Bella's in the same boat now from the repetitive strain of the Rack Attack but it wouldn't be much of a surprise if she was. Same with Stone Cold, and Edge too, who should have just released pics of their own x-rays to put a permanent stop to the silliness of fans thinking they were ever coming back for another match.





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posted on 4-2-2016 at 11:02 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Still, for every guy with a neck that looks like that who hangs up the boots, there's another in the same condition who keeps lacing them up. Wonder what Kurt Angle's neck looks like? Lita? Sabu? Taz? I'm not sure the x-rays would stop any rumors.

That said, I'm with you on not wanting Regal to keep going. He's done his part for the business in the ring, now he's doing his part for the business outside of it.





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