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posted on 3-11-2016 at 05:00 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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The "Corbin having more of a character than Reigns" thing is a con(remember when we were told that Roman Reigns would completely bomb? Well his positive crowd reactions have actually gotten bigger the last couple of years.) and Florida's NXT crowd isn't any more predictable than it ever has been. And before anyone cites all the dirt sheets who claim Corbin's development is a thing, I will cite dirt sheets who claim it isn't.

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Zayn & Joe put on 43 minute master-class in working a match the other night. When they kicked off the show I thought they may go the route of having this match be the whole episode & I wasn't disappointed. Not as flashy as some other Zayn matches but that made sense in this context; Zayn was just trying to survive a monster for 40 plus minutes & came very, very close to pulling it off. Probably not quite a match of the year contender because of some repetitiveness & some lulls, but again, that made sense in the context of the match itself. Joe looks like an unstoppable monster heading to Dallas & I'm really 50/50 on who comes out the champion that night.

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The lead writer for NXT is a guy named Ryan Ward. He has written every show and every special event for NXT since its inception. He was widely praised as the main creative force behind the great NXT Takeover: R Evolution special event from 2014. He is seen by many as having a great mind for the business and in writing wrestling for TV. Many believe that the success of NXT is attributable more to him than anyone else.

Well, he has been moved up to the main roster and will be the lead writer for Smackdown. How this affects NXT and Smackdown positively or negatively will remain to be seen.





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The lead writer for NXT is a guy named Ryan Ward. He has written every show and every special event for NXT since its inception. He was widely praised as the main creative force behind the great NXT Takeover: R Evolution special event from 2014. He is seen by many as having a great mind for the business and in writing wrestling for TV. Many believe that the success of NXT is attributable more to him than anyone else.

Well, he has been moved up to the main roster and will be the lead writer for Smackdown. How this affects NXT and Smackdown positively or negatively will remain to be seen.


If that doesnt further fan the flames regarding rumors of a post-Mania brand-split I don't know what will. It'll be interesting to see if Ward can work similar magic while navigating the political minefield set up by Vince and his big brown beaver.





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posted on 3-11-2016 at 10:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I suspect that guy is gonna go from having his dream job to finding it real hard to get outta bed in the morning.

NXT is (I assume) for the most part completely free of corporate and investor influences, doesn't have major advertising and promotional deals to fit into, and, well, isn't apparently on Vinces radar.

I feel sorry for him.


But yeah this weeks NXT was great. Really liked the way the announce team kept mentioning the other matches until later in the show.

Given that Balor is moving up soon (probably right after Mania) we may very well see Joe as champ. I for one would be fucking delighted.

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Has anyone made the Chad Gable-Owen Hart comparison yet? If not I call dibs.

Pretty good show tonight that set the table for Takeover. I'm not all that familiar with Austin Aries but I liked what I saw in that promo; looking forward to his debut in Dallas.

There's something to the Eva-Marie/Nia Jax pairing that I like. Eva has heat most guys would kill for & obviously Nia has a bright future. I dunno what you do with those two but whenever Nia is ready to get the call up I wouldn't mind Eva tagging along with her.





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posted on 3-19-2016 at 02:14 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Why would you insult Chad Gable like that?
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Why would you insult Chad Gable like that?


He's a nugget?





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What I really like about Gable is they way he is keeping his own identity.

If Angle is ever gonna have another stint with WWE he should be the guy to bring them in to the main roster.

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Why would you insult Chad Gable like that?


He's a nugget?


Enough is enough guys, it's time for a change. Seriously, no one else see's early nineties long-haired Owen when Gable gets to flying around!? Perhaps Jason Jordan's destiny can be the bizzaro black hitman.





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Why would you insult Chad Gable like that?


He's a nugget?


Enough is enough guys, it's time for a change. Seriously, no one else see's early nineties long-haired Owen when Gable gets to flying around!? Perhaps Jason Jordan's destiny can be the bizzaro black hitman.


Wouldn't that make Jordan the modern day "Birdman" Koko B. Ware? Instead of giving him an actual parrot, though, they can just dress up Eva Marie in a costume.





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Wouldn't that make Jordan the modern day "Birdman" Koko B. Ware? Instead of giving him an actual parrot, though, they can just dress up Eva Marie in a costume.


Frankie had WAY more personality and charisma than Eva Marie has.





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Scrap the Nia Jax team. Eva Marie should, nay, MUST be carried to the ring in full peacock attire on Jason Jordan's shoulder. Eventually Gable gets fed up with this after Eva's stray feathers get in his eye one too many times & costs them a match. Gable consults with Jack Hanna & Raven about flightless birds & flocks & eventually becomes the "The Penguin Whisperer" Chad Gable, culminating in an inter-species bird cage match at WrestleMania 33.

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Just caught up on some NXT. Lotta random thinks!

Corey Graves sucks ass
'E, it's nice of you to give Corey Graves a job after he got all career-ended, but he's turrble. He's like an even worse Bradshaw with a less annoying accent. They both aggressively hate on the babyfaces in a way that's distracting, but at least Bradshaw is consistent. Graves randomly rages out at the dumbest crap. Like, remember when he got all fake-nerd-girl with Becky Lynch for liking punk rock? And he can't tell who the heels are sometimes. He loves uber-babyfaces American Alpha, and hates obvious heel Elias Sampson with uncomfortable levels of vitriol. Sampson's last match against Jake Cutler, Graves is all, "Cutler told me that as a Marine, he despises people like Elias Sampson!" Marines hate musicians now? What? Shut up, Corey Graves.

They should make dude a manager. He has a good look, he's got the heel gene. Give him an assortment of tattooed douches and he'll do fine.

I didn't care for Zayn-Joe II
It was a slow-ass plod-fest with occasional bursts of energy and even endgame didn't pick up that much. I like both guys, but this felt tedious to me.

Emma and Dana are the beast that won't improve
Seriously, if NXT is still a school, those two are coasting at the back of the class. Emma's promo work hasn't gotten a stitch better, and her body language and execution are still about as crisp as lettuce left out overnight. If she ever learns to rassle, Dana's got more upside. She seems to know how to be unpleasant and has much better physical presence. But teamed with Emma, she's just not making any progress.

I officially no longer loathe Baron Corbin
He'll never be Kurt Angle or nothin', but he's really good at being a jerk, and he can hold his own if he's carried. He's managed to find some presence to go with his size. And throwing Austin Aries's shirt smack into William Regal's face was solid gold.

Austin Aries trips my gay-dar
The facial hair. The intense soft-spokenness, the tight t-shirts. The facial hair. Seriously, I have a good friend on the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus, and he looks like a third of those dudes. Do people actually know about his personal life? Is he available? Asking for a friend.

Seriously, who did Alex Riley molest?
I get the sense he's unpopular backstage or something. Because he's got a great look, knows how to make wrestle moves, talks good. Like, did he take a drunken bet to see if he could fit a footlong hoagie between Steph's fakies at a company picnic? I don't actually mind his losing to Tye Dillinger. I really like Tye Dillinger. But I hope that leads to an actual feud between the two, and not A-Ry getting sent out to jobbington.

The Revival blows
On his last podcast, Stone Cold and guest Wade Keller gushed about how they're totally doing boring stuff because it suits their characters. And everyone keeps mentioning Arn Anderson. Arn Anderson at age a billion hit a more explosive spinebuster on the Undertaker than anything Dash or Dawson have ever done. I had the sense the original Mechanics gimmick was supposed to be a Briscoe Bros. knockoff, and I think a rowdier, more colorful persona woulda done a lot to improve their work. Shame WWE hates Gimmicks.

NXT needs a female character based on Pam Poovey
Do you want to get over? Because this is how you get over.

Let Finn Balor be Fergal Devitt
I've been kinda subtle about it, but I don't care for Finn Balor as a character. You know who's an awesome character? Fergal Devitt, the goofy dork who jokes around with Bayley after the shows. He just radiates charisma and joy. Despite what WWE brass thinks, nice guys can often finish first with audiences. See: Brian, Daniel. Captain America is the most popular Avenger. There's nothing wrong with Finn Balor as a good-natured, fun-loving guy who just happens to be way better at wrestling than all the douchey heels who take everything SOOPER CEREAL. Y'know how The Daemon looks like something a kid draws in his notebook margins? Instead of it being Finn's "inner darkside," like he's Dark Jak or something, just have it be a thing he does because it's fun, and psychs out his opponenent.

Carmella's come a long way. baby
If anyone has that babyface gene, it's her. And her match with Bayley was probably the best women's bout since Sasha left.

How much do you wish Sasha Banks had punted Michael Hayes's racist balls out his mouth
A lot, personally.

Long Live American Alpha
They finally found the ingredient to make me take them seriously: Going from Team Angle 2.0 to look like heroes from a cheesy 80s/90s sports movie. I can't help thinking of that old Disney Channel movie, Spooner. The headbands. The music. And HOLY BALLS that rollthrough deadlift German Gable pulled off on Aiden Englsh? Wow. I definitely see the Owen comparisons.

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Austin Aries trips my gay-dar
The facial hair. The intense soft-spokenness, the tight t-shirts. The facial hair. Seriously, I have a good friend on the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus, and he looks like a third of those dudes. Do people actually know about his personal life? Is he available? Asking for a friend.

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Agree with Foxy on Dana Brooke. There's some kind of presence there that could turn into one of the bigger bitch villains with some proper grooming. It doesn't hurt that she's kind of unusual looking too. Not an uggo, just different. Team her up later on the main roster with Charlotte to play the role of a hammer and she could have some potential.





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Austin Aries trips my gay-dar
The facial hair. The intense soft-spokenness, the tight t-shirts. The facial hair. Seriously, I have a good friend on the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus, and he looks like a third of those dudes. Do people actually know about his personal life? Is he available? Asking for a friend.

Not available.




IDK... that facial hair, tho...

Kidding. The ol' 'dar must be outta whack.

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Agree with Foxy on Dana Brooke. There's some kind of presence there that could turn into one of the bigger bitch villains with some proper grooming. It doesn't hurt that she's kind of unusual looking too. Not an uggo, just different. Team her up later on the main roster with Charlotte to play the role of a hammer and she could have some potential.


Yeah, when Chyna first left, before she went all crazy, I fantasy-booked her return, where she'd swear she wasn't wrestling anymore, and wanted to have a talk-show. It'd be called "Sit-Down with Joanie." She'd interview other women (and probably men) and if anyone called her Chyna, they'd get a sit-out powerbomb.

Dana Brook has that similar, slightly batty, I-think-I-can-be-a-crossover-success vibe. Like, she embodies that girl who doesn't realize she's altogether too intense and red-flaggy. I can totally see her in a storyline with Charlotte.





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Her only drawback is that she has the same body type as Kaitlyn does in that they have to work out doubly hard to maintain their tone as compared to the other girls. You could tell that Kaitlyn couldn't keep the workout routine up with life on the road for WWE. Body types like that need a real gym to go to, those dorky little set-ups in hotels (with about five hours sleep on a travel day on top of it) just aren't good enough. She got noticeably bigger in her mid/lower torso and upper legs, water-weight wise, during her last months with WWE. She was stuffed so tight into her ring gear towards the end that when they got a camera shot of her from behind it was so jiggly it looked like a couple of bulldogs fighting it out in a burlap sack. When she quit WWE and settled down she was able to return to a really tight workout schedule. You can tell because in her photos on Instagram over the last couple of years, which she posts to at least twice a day, you could probably bounce a small bullet off her legs/ass/abs again like when she first came out of the pin-up modelling scene. Dana Brooke looks to be the same. Solid muscle through and through but it takes a lot more work to maintain it for her than it ever would for Emma, Sasha, Charlotte, Hot Summer, or any of the other naturally skinny ones.





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I officially no longer loathe Baron Corbin
He'll never be Kurt Angle or nothin', but he's really good at being a jerk, and he can hold his own if he's carried. He's managed to find some presence to go with his size. And throwing Austin Aries's shirt smack into William Regal's face was solid gold.



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Maybe this is the appropriate thread for the new signings?

WWE signs Michael Nicholls and Shane Veryzer, The Mighty Don't Kneel.





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NXT Takeover: Dallas (Smarkamania) Discussion

You people should be ashamed of yourselves for not already having a discussion topic up and running for this. Shaaaame.

Tonights the night for NXT, and by all accounts it's the big wrasslin' show that everyone is an agreement over: it should be a shitload of fun. The NXT roster is going to be looking to outshine their big brothers and sisters on the main roster and they'll be doing it in front of raucous wankery WM weekend crowd. I'm seriously giddy, people, and goddamn you Gobshite for playing with my emotions.

Austin Aries vs. Baron Corbin
The first of two highly anticipated in-ring debuts tonight sees The Greatest Man That Ever Lived taking on Earth-2 Roman Reigns. It's hard to make a pick on this one as I don't know where they plan on going with this. And I mean that in a good way. On one hand you don't bring in Austin effin' Aries just to job him out in his first match. On the other, do you really want to hand a pet project like Baron Corbin another high profile loss? I'm going to go with Aries here. I like the story that they're telling with BC, and having him get schooled by another indy darling should be enough to further motivate him to be an even bigger jerkass and further heighten the tension between him and Regal (who I wouldn't mind seeing back in the ring against the big lug.)

NXT Tag Title Match: The Revival vs. American Alpha
The Revival have been growing on me as of late, but I don't see any way that Jordan and Gable aren't walking out of Dallas with the tag straps. Which I'm totally fine with, but I'd be lying if I said that it didn't bum me out a little for Dash and Dawson. As good as they are, I just can't imagine them peaking beyond this.

Sami Zayn vs. Shinsuke Nakamura
Here's where the IWC collectively shits themselves with the second high profile debut of the night. There's no question that these two can go, and the crowd should be lapping it all up with a spoon. Shinsuke gets the win here.

NXT Womens Title Match: Bayley vs. Asuka
This one could be the sleeper hit of the night. I'm honestly curious to see if they have Asuka take the title off of Bayley. With the rumors of them rebooting the Divas division on Monday night who better to make their debut on the main roster than Bayley? As much as I hate to see her go, I love to something something butt.



ASUKA FTW and our hearts break just a little.

Apollo Crews vs. Elias Sampson
I guess this is the popcorn/pissbreak match? Which is a shame because Crews is an amazing athlete. Sampson I just can't get a read on. The busking drifter gimmick does nothing for me and he just looks like if Damian Sandow went on a shopping spree at Anthropology. Crews gets the W here.

NXT World Title Match: Finn Balor vs. Samoa Joe
This ones for all the marbles. I think it's time to take the title off of Finn (and perhaps promote him to the main roster?) and give Joe a run with it. Should be a fun, stiff ass match.





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Guys. I just realized something. What if this is just a big April Fools joke and they just air an old WBF ppv? Or instead of Nakamura they just send out Ken Jeong with a Skrillex haircut to cross promote Dr. Ken? Maybe it's the 4 cups of coffee but I'm nervous.





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You people should be ashamed of yourselves for not already having a discussion topic up and running for this. Shaaaame.


Oh, the thread's been here the whole time. The discussion, though, has been admittedly lagging.

I, too, am expecting good things from Takeover; in addition to the slamdunk match quality, there's a curiosity factor with regards to how much of a "reboot" will be needed after this weekend, depending on call-ups to the main roster and who's put in position to headline the next iteration....

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Oh, the thread's been here the whole time. The discussion, though, has been admittedly lagging.




I see what Crunk means...figure there will be more talk over this show than most other NXT Takeovers - and for the purposes of coming back to the thread later on it might be convenient.

But will continue here as it can always be made into a new one.

Really excited for this one[duh]. While I think it will ultimately fall a bit below Mania at the end of the day, it's about as good of a 4 match card as you can get.

Austin Aries vs. Baron Corbin

Very simple story: Young upstart who got to jump the line thinks he's better than the veteran whose spent a decade trying to get here. I know this won't be the popular answer (and if it's the opener, scratch this result), but I think Corbin goes over here. Aries will survive. This should be motivation to move past the debut pop and move Aries over to the heel side. NXT is in dire need of them (especially after what I think is happening), and I think these are the types of veterans who can help a guy like Apollo Crews figure out his character. In the meantime, with NXT getting a revamp after some call ups, Corbin might be the only guy in a position to move up for a bit.

Elias Sampson vs. Apollo Crews

Crowd breather match. Crews wins...hopefully quickly.

American Alpha vs. The Revival

It both feels like the wrong time to take the belts off The Revival - who are really in a great groove right now - and the right time to put them on American Alpha - who are at the climax of their momentous rise to the top of the tag division. It's too late to go back and after that great video two weeks ago, and the ghosts of teams like Enzo and Cass losing so many times and making that jump to champions, I think you have to crown them in the moment it matters. Could be the second biggest pop of the night - American Alpha take the NXT tag team titles.

Bayley vs. Asuka

I have some mixed feelings on this one. I think while she's ready, it's the wrong time to bring up Bayley when WWE won't have the time to really build her between the influx of other wrestlers going up and those returning from injury. She is a massive project they absolutely have to get right. That's going to need vignettes, and time...and there's no rush to do it.

I also think if WWE wants to keep the belt on Charlotte, you need someone who can rise above the two who failed, and that's so much more an Asuka thing, who can show up on Monday, need very little buildup, and murder her to set that feud in progress.

I don't see the latter happening...and I think it could be a bit more before they need Bayley...so I think after a complete ass beating Bayley wins with some sort of fluke roll up continuing the feud to really give Bayley a big last storyline to go out on.

Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Sami Zayn

I think both men are moving up indefinitely and this was just to give this card one more ultra special match to round it out. It won't hurt Zayn to fall here and he should. Nakamura gets off to a huge start tonight. Next stop should be the main roster.

Finn Balor vs. Samoa Joe

This is the unofficial Loser Leaves NXT match. My first instinct is they wouldn't just do this match again unless they plan on moving the belt, but that kind of comes with a rubber match and I wouldn't want the loser of this match sticking around NXT past tonight.

I've been back and forth on it, between this guy and Cesaro being the surprise/debut making the Battle Royal being on the Mania card have reason for being there. With NXT clearing out, they could use their stalwart to keep them floating, and let WWE have one major debut before Summerslam. Think Balor retains and Joe moves up with a big debut at Mania tomorrow [and pooooooossibly getting involved in some major storylining with a member of his ethnic background????].


Feel like I'll be off on one of the two major belts because on a card like this 2 probably should move, but either way, it's one of those cards where any result works for any match...which should make for one hell of a fun card to enjoy and whet the appetites for Sunday.

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Tag team wrestling is alive in well in NXT.
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