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Originally posted by williamssl
WTF was Bray rambling about in that family promo and where's it going and do we care?
I know I may be in the minority, but I was fast-forwarding when I saw Bray and company pop up on the screen and I just kept fast-forwarding. I really
don't need to hear Bray Wyatt Rambling Promo Variation #4,329 at this point.
Nash is only a few inches bigger than JBL and depending on how stiff he gets Punk should be able to take it. -JB King, meant in a totally non-sexual
way
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OORick
Intellectual Savior of the Masses 
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So I didn't even bother typing anything up after RAW, I just went straight to "Better Call Saul." What a yawn of an episode (RAW, not
Saul).....
Shane/Taker is your hot issue, and they shat the bed by having Not Shane. Also, Steph tried REALLY hard to make herself A Thing, but the entire last
two thirds or her promo got WHAT'd. Then, they sent Vince out there to build on the lack of foundation Steph built, and didn't give Taker
anything worthwhile to do when he floated through.
That's the least amount of Actual Content WWE has put into a 3 hour show in a while. If it wasn't real-time skits getting live-dismissed
(like Steph's), it was an insane level of replays from last week, all of which just invite a viewer to change channels or FF.
On the plus side, if that really WAS an experiment to see if fans would cheer for HHH over Ambrose, we won. But I call "bullshit" on anyone claiming
there were actually people who thought HHH would have gotten cheered over Ambrose last week, and that it's totally HHH's fault, and not an
issue with Reigns. Do those people really exist?
Special right-before-bed bonus: you all need to check out the new episode of the E&C; Show. I don't even know how to begin to describe how
awesome it was, other than to say that neither Urkel nor Luke Perry were part of my reasons....
"Sunny's Miracle Drops!!!!! Side Effects: Erratic Behavior!!! DUIs!!! Cake Fancer!!!!" To say nothing of Mr. Fuji's Racist Salt.....
Rick
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shashwat mishra
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So are Jericho and Styles going to be Tag Team Champs at Wrestlemania? Feel good certainly!
Bret Hart - Best Ever, Undertaker - Most Memorable, The Rock - Most Entertaining.
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CM Crunk
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Shit, I forgot to ask in a tongue-in-cheek manner where Foxcalibur has been in my last post. Is it like a Beetlejuice type thing where we have to say
his name, or reference Alicia Fox, ham-handedly pull the race card or appreciate Finn B�lor three times in a row to summon him?
[Edited on 3/1/2016 by CM Crunk]
You are the vulgarian, you fuck!
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CCharger
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Originally posted by First 9
Well, atleast this shuts up the people who say HHH would have still have gotten cheered if he had beatdown Ambrose last week.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
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Just got a WWE Network email: They changed March to Wrestlemania to WWE Roadblock. And the event poster makes official that HHH-Ambrose for the title
will happen there.
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punkerhardcore
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So what should be the Mania main event, is instead just a network special.
WWE creative-- always saying the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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janerd75
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Could they be going with WM Chaos Correction, Part III though? They were eventually aware enough in time to put the title on Bryan and then Rollins at
the last minute, so how far fetched is it for Ambrose to win thus making HHH/Reigns a grudge match, as it always should have been, and Ambrose/Lesnar
for the title? Reigns getting shut out again sure does leave a whole lot of animosity lying on the table for him to pick up and make a heel run with.
And shiiiiit, have Haitch beat Reigns at WM, get Roman all frustrated and pissed off and then have him interfere in Ambrose's match and cost him
the title. Kapowza, heel turn complete.
I won't say I'm cautiously optimistic because after the Bryan retirement and the return of Shane who the hell knows what's coming
next. Regardless, I'm at the very least I'm a bit more excited that the path to a HHH/Reigns title match at WM has some kind of hitch in
it. 
�I don�t wanna die looking at you, you sack of shit. I�m checkin� out! Somebody throw me in the traaaaash!� - Frank Reynolds
"You're one bad day away from being me." - Frank Castle
"My uncle's a what now?" - Frank Richards
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The Grindfather
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I feel like WWE is trying to play chess but using a monopoly board. They've got a lot of great pieces but nearly everyone is miscast...
It seems pretty clear that the majority of fans would rather see Ambrose v. HHH for the title at Mania. Taking Reigns out of the title match & putting
him against Taker seems like a no brainer as well. Now Taker is a tweener kinda sorta for one of his last Wrestlemanias that also happens to be in
Texas. And WTF is Y2AJ!? They were doing so good with AJ but I don't like this one at all. So Jericho turns & we get the 4th or 5th match
between the 2 at Mania? Or God help us, AJ turns? I don't get that one. I've been down on a few Mania builds before & they seem to always
come through, but geez, they're testing me with this one.
Also, I couldn't post last week because I took the Bar Exam & had my mind completely destroyed for the week so; I enjoyed the Shane O'Mac
surprise, I like Shane, but when they announced he's the one facing Taker it dumped an olympic sized pool amount of water on the excitement I
had.
I hate coming on here just to bitch & I want to give WWE a lot of lee-way this year with injuries but man, other than the women & maybe whatever AJ
does, I don't see a match getting above maybe 3 stars at the big show.
Speaking of Big Show, if they waste KO & the IC title on him at Mania...
Somebody gonna get their ass kicked, somebody gonna get their wig split
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Flash
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While I think the getting cheated (by Ambrose) and beated (by HHH) would make for a good reason for Reigns to go heel; I think it could kind of throw
off the everyone else.
Honestly, I wish they wouldn't do Ambrose versus HHH as it just feels like a big cock tease where no one wins, or at the least it's just a
big reminder about how much better the WWE's booking of half their main events should be....
*HHH wins and Ambrose looks like even less of a challenger to Brock, and should he lose to the Beast, then he's riding quite the losing streak
in big matches.
*Ambrose wins and HHH looks less impressive against Reigns. When a guy like Ambrose, who's booked as the never say quit but frequently beat up
guy, steals your thunder by accomplishing his big win in a match that had no build up really; it kind of sucks to be Reigns.... which is exactly why
Reigns versus HHH should have been a grudge feud only... it would allow for screwing over each other a bit more.
*HHH wins via DQ... probably the outcome, but really, doesn't this again just set up a bunch of loose ends for a feud we'd much rather
see, and for a guy who only wrestles one or twice a year.
Yeah, it's not as black and white as that, but while the HHH-Ambrose for the title is a great match, it's not a feud, and really kind of
exposes the flaws in what they have planned.
Now they do have about 5 weeks to go until Wrestlemania... so there would be time to do some attention getting stuff on Raw; swap the title back or
something; put the title on Ambrose and combine the two matches into a four way... but those all have some flaws as well.
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
So what should be the Mania main event, is instead just a network special.
WWE creative-- always saying the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet.
Ambrose in the main even at Wrestlemania? No, just no. HHH-Reigns is
the story they are telling. They need to take it to it's logical conclusion in spite of the fans. To change up again means they just cut their
balls off and handed them to the fans.
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CCharger
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The most likely scenario is that Brock interferes in the match, saving the title for HHH and furthering his feued with Ambrose. Reigns makes the save
but is attacked by HHH. Show ends with the heels being fought off while the babyfaces celebrate in the ring.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
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First 9
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quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Ambrose in the main even at Wrestlemania? No, just no. HHH-Reigns is the story they are telling. They need to take it to it's logical conclusion
in spite of the fans. To change up again means they just cut their balls off and handed them to the fans.
Why is giving the fans what they want bad? This isn't some vocal minority that's ruining it for everybody else. If they always followed
''we started this now let's end it!'' mantra we couldn't have gotten Bryan's rise to the top at Mania, Rocky
Maivia's heel turn and path to stardom, and many more great moments or career turnarounds.
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Flash
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quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
The most likely scenario is that Brock interferes in the match, saving the title for HHH and furthering his feued with Ambrose. Reigns makes the save
but is attacked by HHH. Show ends with the heels being fought off while the babyfaces celebrate in the ring.
This is probably how they will play this out... and it's not a bad way to further both storylines (I kind of like it as a "fix" to a bad
situation). This isn't a Raw where the match get's announced at the start of the show for the main event, and we would kind of expect this
exact kind of finish to play out... It's a hastily thrown together mini-ppv where one would expect the stakes to be a bit higher. I still think
that the cock tease of pitting HHH versus Ambrose right smack dab in the middle of a far more preferred Rumble finish and title plans for Wrestlemania
that we'd rather see is ill advised.
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by First 9
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Ambrose in the main even at Wrestlemania? No, just no. HHH-Reigns is the story they are telling. They need to take it to it's logical conclusion
in spite of the fans. To change up again means they just cut their balls off and handed them to the fans.
Why is giving the fans what they want bad? This isn't some vocal minority that's ruining it for everybody else. If they always followed
''we started this now let's end it!'' mantra we couldn't have gotten Bryan's rise to the top at Mania, Rocky
Maivia's heel turn and path to stardom, and many more great moments or career turnarounds.
It's not about giving the fans what
they want. It's about basically telling the fans "you cry enough, we will give you what you want". You cannot give fans that kind of power
because that makes it impossible for any promotion to book Fans have to learn they won't always get what they want. This is the story they
started. They have already screwed Reigns over several times in the last year trying to tell this story because they kept givinig into the fans temper
tantrums. It's time to finally finish the story and move on.
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OORick
Intellectual Savior of the Masses
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At this point, I have a hard time giving WWE any benefit of the doubt that they should "get to tell their story." Because this isn't about
giving the fans some specific weird, complicated, impossible thing they want. This is about us as fans just wanting the product to be GOOD.
I think it's OK to be at this point, and say, "Hey, WWE, you dipshits, why don't you go ahead and loan us your balls again, for the third
spring in a row. We'll give you about 6 months of good will, return them to you, and then we'll see if you learned anything."
That's not entitled or selfish. That's something a paying customer can demand. You know a GOOD product.
The fact that WWE, for the third year in a row, has come up with a BAD idea for WrestleMania, and then had the gall to act surprised when it
didn't work.... THAT is the real problem here. They're the ones trying to dictate a specific narrative, not us. We'll take any of a
wide range of entertaining WM matches. They decide to latch onto one that they should KNOW AHEAD OF TIME is gonna tank, but somehow, they
don't.
I agree that if you're a creative entity, you can't let the fans write the script. But wrestling isn't like any other scripted
entertainment (no matter how badly the corporate line says "We're jsut like all other scripted entertainment") and live audience reactions,
and the lack of a real Fourth Wall, do make for an overall more back-and-forth experience. WWE should consider fan reactions a benefit that they can
use, not some kind of bug in the system that they must squash.
So yes, I will definitely take the third year in a row of WWE sacrificing its own metaphorical balls to make WrestleMania better, and to me, that
would mean HHH/Ambrose/Lesnar/Reigns four-way, with all kinds of awesome options on the table (if nothing else, Ambrose horning in on Reigns'
thunder is the perfect way to do the Reigns heel turn that everybody but Vince knows he needs).
But yeah, I also agree with the level of the room.... this isn't really anything, and the Network Special ends with a run-in by Brock, costing
Ambrose the match, and then it's full speed ahead to Ambrose vs. Lesnar and HHH vs. Reigns, as already scheduled. Just because WWE SHOULD give
us their balls again doesn't mean I think they will. I think this is the hill they are willing to die on, and if they give us Shane as the
figurehead who "fixes" RAW, maybe the deal is "You take Reigns, we'll give The Authority a vacation," and this is the right year for them to
stand up to us. "
You know, us, the bullying fans who pay their salaries. We're just the worst, aren't we?
Rick
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by OORick]
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CM Crunk
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Piggy-backing your point here, Rick, hope ya don't mind...
I think Royberto's opinion on the matter would be a much easier pill to swallow if there were other compelling stories going on but the simple
fact is is that there really aren't. Sure, you've got the whole Shane thing (which they whiffed pretty hard on this week) which might lead
to the light at the end of the tunnel but the reality is we're smack dab in the middle of a streak of creative stagnance that I haven't
seen in YEARS.
If they were delivering more consistently enjoyable episodic programming elsewhere in the show, maybe they could get away with forcing us to take our
medicine. But they're not. They're heading into their THIRD Wrestlemania in a row backed into a corner due to short sightedness and shitty
storytelling. These are stories that don't need to be told, because the majority of their paying audience doesn't want to hear/see them
unfold.
You can only alienate your core fanbase for so long before they start becoming fans of something else.
You are the vulgarian, you fuck!
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Dominated by my love for Randy Orton
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* HHH doing a good job heeling it up.� Not surprising, of course.
* Dean & Trips are awesome here.� HHH even cracked a smile.
* Holy shit, does Charlotte look smoking in that black dress.
* Whoa, Sasha already using that double knee in different ways.� I trademarked it The Safecracker last week.� C'mon, Monkeys.
* Double pin!� Awesome!
* Sasha didn't do a convincing job of selling her injuries there, but it was a tough move to pull off the way it was scripted.
* Love what Ziggler said, but he should've said it to Hunter, not Miz.
* My Nana Rode Space Mountain.� It was upside-down, but what a great sign.
* Pretty good video package about the Shane return.� Glad they included the "She doesn't know, does she" line.� Thought it was the biggest
sentence spoken on Raw, plot-wise, in years.
* Stephanie just cut the promo of the year.� Holy mother of all things great and small.� That was what?� 8-10 minute monologue?� She overpowered the
crowds chants, she didn't get overdramatic until the punch line, she was clear, concise, hit point after point after point, touched on a range
of personal emotions that could earn sympathy from face and heel fans... I think it's as much command as any woman has ever had of the stage
that is a WWE ring.� Stephanie, you rock my world, and HHH is one lucky SOB.� I bow to you, not because you told me, but because you earned it.�
Bravo, milday.� Bravo.
* Ryback being a bad fothermucker.� Bravo again.
* League of Loose Booty?� Awesome.
* Did Cesaro approve those "They Don't Want None" signs?
* Jericho & Styles decided on the team moniker of Y2AJ because Middle-Aged Guys With Superfluously Stupid Tattoos was too long of a name.
* That pick a card thing WAS hilarious.
* Need a name for that springboard forearm.� Already have the Styles Clash.� Maybe the Styles Bash?� Or Styles Crash?
* Wonder how Taker feels about being called Vince's instrument?� Guess we'll find out in a minute or two.
* OK, then.� Not what I was expecting, but oh well.
* Who will Vince punish for flubbing that line at the end?
* Sounds to me like Shane is going to need some Ruthless Aggression.� Who would help him cheat?
* When was the last time D-Von wrestled a singles match?
* Lana with a great promo.� Brie with a middling promo.� But she hit all her lines, so I'll give her a passing grade.
* Hey... Naomi with a submission!� A crucifix clutch!� A non-ass finisher!� You go, girl!� I'm applauding lots of things tonight.�
* So I'm assuming we get a League beatdown, a Lesnar beatdown, HHH says you get your title match right now, HHH reprises last week with a
pedigree on the steps so WWE can get the boos they had to edit out from the Reigns package this week.
* Think Chicago will be fired up for Hunter/Ambrose?
* Thanks? My God that was awesome, Dean.
* Hmmm, HHH left him functional.
Wonderful episode. Everything meant something, no matter its place on the card. Shane's back one week and look what happens, right?  Maybe.
Sustainable Episodic Television. Winner was us this week.
P.S. I agree 100% with The Rick's post just above me. I applaud him, too.
I do NOT love RKO, you sarcastic bastards.
"There are no politics in WWE." - Stephanie McMahon
"BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!" - Me
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
The fact that WWE, for the third year in a row, has come up with a BAD idea for WrestleMania, and then had the gall to act surprised when it
didn't work.... THAT is the real problem here. They're the ones trying to dictate a specific narrative, not us. We'll take any of a
wide range of entertaining WM matches. They decide to latch onto one that they should KNOW AHEAD OF TIME is gonna tank, but somehow, they
don't.
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by OORick]
It's not a bad idea. People only call it a bad idea because it involves someone they don't like.
HHH-Reigns has the potential to be a very good, possibly great match . But people refuse to be open to that because "hurr durr I hate Reigns so any
match he is a part of is automatically shit". Smarks have become so entitled and so smarkish that they no longer have the capability of just sitting
back and actually trying to enjoy a match. Hell, many fans have outright refused to give Reigns any chance because he took the spot they thought
their precious Daniel Bryan was entitled to and had fantasy booked in their heads. Nope, it has to be their guy or nothing. That is the major downside
to the internet exposing the business.
I, for one, am pumped for this match because I know it will be a great brawl. The smarks will most likely miss it because they are overly obsessed
with crowd reaction and fantasy booking their favorites.
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by royberto]
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by royberto]
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punkerhardcore
American Dream
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Bryan was the most over person on the roster for a two year span, so yes, when it was obvious that he wasn't slotted for Mania's main
event (again), it pissed off the fans. When the vast majority of crowds want to see X, but they're instead given Y, of course they're
going to revolt.
If Austin wasn't in the main event in 1998, the same things would have happened. It's the nature of the business.
Plus, I disagree that fans should just sit back, take their medicine and like it. Why? Why should the audience have to settle with anything
they're given, especially when there are other options that they'd be much happier with?
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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CCharger
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by royberto
It's not a bad idea.
Yes. It is.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
People only call it a bad idea because it involves someone they don't like.
Exactly. I don't like Ryback either, and therefore would balk at Ryback vs. HHH. That's the whole point of pro wrestling. Using guys that
are over to book in matches that will sell tickets. If the fans don't like a guy and he isnt' over, then he shouldn't be in the
biggest match on the biggest show of the year.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
HHH-Reigns has the potential to be a very good, possibly great match.
It's far more likely that the match will be an overbooked snooze-fest. But I do appreciate your optimism.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
But people refuse to be open to that because "hurr durr I hate Reigns so any match he is a part of is automatically shit".
I don't think anyone hates Reigns. I know I don't. I think his push has been artificial and undeserved and his overall crowd reactions
reflect that. I don't hate Roman Reigns. I just think he's not the right guy for this slot.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Smarks have become so entitled and so smarkish that they no longer have the capability of just sitting back and actually trying to enjoy a match.
False. Many smarks watch indie wrestling or Japanese wrestling and enjoy the hell out of it despite not knowing the characters or storylines. In fact,
simply WRESTLING is what many smarks masturbate to.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Hell, many fans have outright refused to give Reigns any chance because he took the spot they thought their precious Daniel Bryan was entitled to and
had fantasy booked in their heads.
Daniel Bryan was over more than any guy since perhaps Steve Austin. Bryan had every reason to be in the main event of Mania the last two years, and
the fans had every right to be upset he wasn't. It wasn't just the smarks that were doing the Yes! chants.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Nope, it has to be their guy or nothing. That is the major downside to the internet exposing the business.
The internet didn't expose the business. Vince McMahon exposed the business.
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
I, for one, am pumped for this match because I know it will be a great brawl.
Mick Foley vs. Abdullah the Butcher would be a great brawl too. Are you booking that as the main event for Mania?
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
The smarks will most likely miss it because they are overly obsessed with crowd reaction and fantasy booking their favorites.
Well, crowd reactions are second only to ticket sales in terms of importance to the business of pro wrestling. If you aren't over with the
crowd, people won't buy tickets or subscriptions to watch you. Luckily for you, Vince McMahon now shares your opinion.
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by CCharger]
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
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Flash
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I think HHH versus Reigns does have the potential to be a very good match; and I really think it comes down to just how much they either capture the
live crowd or resist it.... ie pulling off a double turn mid-match could make this great... going full speed ahead with project Roman "Baby face"
Reigns when the crowd is actively shitting on you; probably not going to lead to a good outcome.
Both guys are capable, and the match is sure to be brutal enough to offer up some spots.... Here's the thing though; and I like Reigns, thinks
he has potential, and is just a victim of horrible booking.... are we going to get Roman "hey it's okay to nap mid match" Reigns? HHH is often
guilty of being a bit plodding sometimes as well... Slow is death for these two, I think... Best not to let the crowd catch their breath to the best
of your ability.
Were I booking this match I'd have HHH come out first doing one of his big Wrestlemania entrances; and I have Reigns run in and attack him in
the middle of it... This would give the match a big, surprising opening, and also take the boo-birds out of it for the five or so minutes they'd
normally spend on Reigns getting announced (worse if he comes in first). I don't think we've ever had anyone interrupt the "big
entrances" that are part and parcel to Wrestlemania, so that right off the bat would set the match apart. Spend the first half of the match off with
HHH dominating; has Reigns down.... sledge hammer poised to end it, but he has a moment of mercy and tosses the hammer aside or something... Reigns
can rally and just get progressively vicious; maybe Steph' comes out to plead for mercy, but Reigns has none; he wins the title but decides to
cut his celebration short by grabbing a mic' to say he did this... yada yada yada official heel turn to close the show.... Save him turning on
Ambrose for the Raw the next night.
As for the internet versus Vince exposing the business.... I kinda side with the 'net on this one.
Sure we had dirt sheets before, and a general everyone knows it's fake but still not quite sure how it's done (like a magic show)... look
at the fact that many states athletic commissions still regulated wrestling, and stuff like David Shultz attack on Stossel, Hogan and Beltzer, King
and Koffman... etc. The big upswing in the popularity of wrestling in the 90's created scores of new and returning fans, and thus inquiring
minds, and the boom of the internet created a need for content.
Vince was however, back in 1989, the one to go before the New Jersey State Athletic commission and basically say that wrestling was less about sport,
and more about entertainment in hopes of deregulating wrestling. While it made news, it was more within wrestling circles... Before Vince there was
definitely people in the know; those athletic commissions had to been in on it like a parent keeping Santa's secret fro their kids.
So Vince was the first to maybe open the door a crack in a way that was a matter of public record, but the internet pretty much blew those doors off.
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Bryan was the most over person on the roster for a two year span, so yes, when it was obvious that he wasn't slotted for Mania's main
event (again), it pissed off the fans. When the vast majority of crowds want to see X, but they're instead given Y, of course they're
going to revolt.
If Austin wasn't in the main event in 1998, the same things would have happened. It's the nature of the business.
Plus, I disagree that fans should just sit back, take their medicine and like it. Why? Why should the audience have to settle with anything
they're given, especially when there are other options that they'd be much happier with?
[Edited on 3-2-2016 by punkerhardcore]
Nobody ever said the fans had to like it. Enough with that strawman. What is said is that fans are
refusing to give something a chance simply because they didn't get what they wanted. That is being stubborn and thick headed. ANd that is what
will cause you to miss out on a potentially great match.
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royberto
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Originally posted by CCharger
Yes. It is.
No, it isn't.
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Originally posted by CCharger
Exactly. I don't like Ryback either, and therefore would balk at Ryback vs. HHH. That's the whole point of pro wrestling. Using guys that
are over to book in matches that will sell tickets. If the fans don't like a guy and he isnt' over, then he shouldn't be in the
biggest match on the biggest show of the year.
And you prove my point. You refuse to even give him a chance because your guy wasn't
chosen.
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Originally posted by CCharger
It's far more likely that the match will be an overbooked snooze-fest. But I do appreciate your optimism.
That is what you want to happen
and will happen in regards to you because that is howo you will treat it regardless of what it actually becomes.
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Originally posted by CCharger
I don't think anyone hates Reigns. I know I don't. I think his push has been artificial and undeserved and his overall crowd reactions
reflect that. I don't hate Roman Reigns. I just think he's not the right guy for this slot.
Then you are naive. There are many
people who hates Reigns purely because he got the spot they thought and fantasy booked Daniel Bryan into.
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
False. Many smarks watch indie wrestling or Japanese wrestling and enjoy the hell out of it despite not knowing the characters or storylines. In fact,
simply WRESTLING is what many smarks masturbate to.
Smarks aren't truly happy unless they can bitch about something. They will even go
so far as to call out the most minor of things just so they can bitch.
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Originally posted by CCharger
Daniel Bryan was over more than any guy since perhaps Steve Austin. Bryan had every reason to be in the main event of Mania the last two years, and
the fans had every right to be upset he wasn't. It wasn't just the smarks that were doing the Yes! chants.
There is a difference
between being upset and being so stubborn that you refuse to give something else a chance. And trying to use the Yes! chants, something that is
insanely fun to join in on regardless of how you feel to bolster a case hate towards Reigns is a little disingenuous.
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Originally posted by CCharger
The internet didn't expose the business. Vince McMahon exposed the business.
Vince may have cracked the door open, but the net blew it wide open and off the hinges. It has made smarks compeltely incapable of sitting
back and attmepting to enjoy a match.
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Originally posted by CCharger
Mick Foley vs. Abdullah the Butcher would be a great brawl too. Are you booking that as the main event for Mania?
Another strawman. HHH-Reigns
for the WWE title is Mania main event matieral and far more so than any Foley/Butcher match woulod be.
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Originally posted by CCharger
Well, crowd reactions are second only to ticket sales in terms of importance to the business of pro wrestling. If you aren't over with the
crowd, people won't buy tickets or subscriptions to watch you. Luckily for you, Vince McMahon now shares your opinion.
Not in the advent
of the WWE Network. Ratings are no longer the main thing in keeping them profitable. And people don't buy tickets or subscribe to the network
just for one person. They do those things because there are multiple things that interest them and are more important than the one guy they might
dislike. There are many things like NXT and much of the original, new content on the Network. And tickets will be bought as long as internet casuals,
a much bigger section of internet fans compared to IWC smarks, continue to support guys like John Cena, Brock Lesnar and every other act they have
including Regins. There is no longer a real need for one thing to carry the day.
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Originally posted by royberto
It's not about giving the fans what they want. It's about basically telling the fans "you cry enough, we will give you what you want".
You cannot give fans that kind of power because that makes it impossible for any promotion to book Fans have to learn they won't always get
what they want. This is the story they started. They have already screwed Reigns over several times in the last year trying to tell this story
because they kept givinig into the fans temper tantrums. It's time to finally finish the story and move on.
What? How does choosing one guy over the other make it impossible to book? Either just use the other guy or try to refresh the guy you want.
Ex:Choosing Bryan over Batista or turning Rocky Maivia into the Rock. You make it sound like the fan backlash came out nowhere and project Reigns was
never given a chance. He was over as hell after the Shield break up. While he was recovering, he cut some cringe-worthy via satellite promos and
return to cut shitty live promos. Then he wins the Rumble in an underwhelming fashion and a section of the fans starts resenting him as they were 3
guys with great momentum who they wanted to see win. By the time they make it to Mania, they have to switch gears and Reigns doesn't get his
moment.
How was that giving into a fan tantrum? There was no agenda there, a guy due to poor booking and bad promos didn't get as over enough as what
was needed for his planned spot.
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