Slade
The Great One 
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quote:
Posted by G. Jonah Jameson
I always find it vaguely amusing that the most recognizable beginning of the Internet's raging hate-boner for Roman Reigns was the assumption
that he couldn't have honestly won that Slammy in 2014, even though probably 80 percent of those detractors didn't even vote.
I agree with this 100%. I also find it amusing that the same people who think Roman Reigns winning the award in 2014 was rigged, don't think
that Daniel Bryan winning it in 2013 was rigged and continue to insist that he was getting buried.
I'm of the view that the results of the Slammy votes aren't rigged but that if they are, they must always be rigged, not just when the
people the IWC doesn't like win them.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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Columbo
Showstopper 
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quote:
Originally posted by Slade
He needs to work on developing a more compelling character and his promo skills are wanting. He's not a complete and well-rounded performer
yet and I can understand if people think he isn't ready to be the WWE Champion on those grounds, but the hatred and vitriol directed towards
him no longer seems to be about that and seems instead to have morphed into this vile hatred for a guy who, although he isn't the best
performer in the company, isn't really all that bad.
1. So a guy they've been pushing as the second coming of Jesus at the expense of the rest of the roster forthe better part of 2 years gets a
pass for not developing mic skills or a compelling character?
2. Why should we settle for "isn't really all that bad"?
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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CamstunPWG187
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by Columbo
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
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And that is great. Perfectly reasonable take. But what many are doing is already crapping on the entire show simply because Reigns is in
the main event. That isn't reasonable.
Buy what is reasonable is that the E can push Reigns over everybody else on the roster for a year and a half, because you and Vince McMahon get off on
looking at a pretty man with fake eyes and negative charisma? You're a fucking idiot for blaming Roman Reigns failure to connect with an
audience on Daniel Bryan. Roman Reigns has had more opportunities to get over during his never ending push than anybody I can recall in the 20+ years
I've been watching wrestling, and yet still a very large portion of the audience doesn't give a shit about him. Somehow this is never
Romans fault, its always poor Roman creative really screwed him...Fuck that noise if he was good he would take those lemons and make some muthafuckin
lemonade. But nope Roman keeps plugging along being a mediocre wrestler with terrible mic skills, and I'm here stuck being thirsty because
according to Royberto I'm not allowed to dislike the story WWE is telling me... 
Bravo sir. Bravo.
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Originally posted by royberto
It's not a bad idea.
You know, I barely post these days. From being a teacher, spending time with my soon-to-be wife, and generally wanting to spend whatever free time I
have playing Bian Zi, exercising, and playing video games, I find lurking here during my office hours and pre-bedtime as a soothing experience that
doesn't require me to post much. A lot of people here write stuff that I wholeheartedly agree with, and really, just quoting them to say
"bravo" isn't very necessary. I don't even bother to go out of my way to insult shortsighted people anymore. But I'll just say
this, because I haven't been so utterly frustrated with a user who seemingly shows no end to his shortsighted-ness:
You're a fucking idiot and/or chump, and you are exactly who an aging, out of touch, slowy-becoming-senile Vince McMahon wishes every single fan
of his product was. Forget even breaking you down, because your ignorance and stupidity stops you from even seeing the slightest bit of reason in
anyone in this topic's point, so what would make me even think you would do so with me? Plus, I told you you're an idiot right off the
bat, so yeah, I'm not even TRYING to reason with you. You'd be Vince's ultimate Yes Man on his ass-kissing creative monkey team,
and you would brag about it to all of your friends and family.
You would never stop buying the Network. In 5 years, you will still proudly be a full-time subscriber to it with reserves saved up for 10 more. You
will be a sheep for your entire life, always doing what you're told without ever questioning it's worth. In that sense, you're
incredibly Chinese. Do you perhaps live in Harbin, Beijing, or Guangzhou? You routinely watch the opening promo from Vince at Vengeance 2003 and pop
a boner every time he says "I PULL THE STRINGS!", because you are his puppet.
Time for bed.
[Edited on 3-4-2016 by CamstunPWG187]
[Edited on 3-4-2016 by CamstunPWG187]
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merc
Showstopper
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| posted on 3-4-2016 at 06:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Slade
I'm of the view that the results of the Slammy votes aren't rigged but that if they are, they must always be rigged, not just when the
people the IWC doesn't like win them.
I have always assumed the Slammy's were part of the entertainmen; and therefore scripted. However I guess I should ask, in a "sport" where
outcomes are "predetermined" what would the definition of "rigged" be?
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punkerhardcore
American Dream 
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Originally posted by Slade
I agree with this 100%. I also find it amusing that the same people who think Roman Reigns winning the award in 2014 was rigged, don't think
that Daniel Bryan winning it in 2013 was rigged
Probably because there's a difference between moments like this: https://youtu.be/bnWtek7k7hM
...and moments like this: https://youtu.be/pWWmD0p_GdE
quote:
Originally posted by Columbo
2. Why should we settle for "isn't really all that bad"?
THANK YOU. Fucking hell... I can't believe that we, as fans, should sit back and say, "well, this guy is sorta ok, let's just roll with
it."
In the main event.
Of the biggest show of the year.
For the second fucking year in a row.
[Edited on 3-4-2016 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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CCharger
The Rowdy One 
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Punker, don't you know it was those darned smarks doing all that cheering for Bryan and booing for Reigns? That small minority of 20 and 30
somethings living in their parents' basement and ranting on the Squared Circle subreddit held those entire arenas hostage and forced them to do
that. It's our "hate-boner" for Reigns and our nocturnal emissions for Bryan that have caused this tragic set of circumstances of the next
John Cena to not getting over.
Now, excuse me while I go pop in my VHS of ROH's "Era of Honor Begins" and masturbate furiously onto my already stained and wrinkly poster of
Colt Cabana.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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Well, there's always TNA to fall back on.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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royberto
Creepy Little Bastard
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quote:
Originally posted by Columbo
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
But automatically disliking something before it starts purely because of one person who is a part of it and not giving it a chance first is also a
problem.
I'm gonna try this line the next time a lady refuses my advances for sexy times.
Technically, she gave you a chance and only disliked you after you made your advances. If she automatically disliked you before you
said a word just because it was you then you would have a point.
[Edited on 3-4-2016 by royberto]
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SpiNNeR72
Showstopper 
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You know, I think we are heading for a kinda strange situation where people are actually going to start feeling sorry for (possibly as far as sort of
respecting) Reigns for the shit he's being forced through, no doubt trying his best despite knowing he isn't up for the job.
Its not the same as the respect I think most of us got for Cena. He had to work to win people over as a "wrestler" but the charisma was never in
doubt.
No matter how hard he works, or how good he gets, Reigns just doesn't have "it".
We might be on the verge of "please just pin him" chants..
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CM Crunk
Showstopper
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quote:
Originally posted by G. Jonah Jameson
I always find it vaguely amusing that the most recognizable beginning of the Internet's raging hate-boner for Roman Reigns was the assumption
that he couldn't have honestly won that Slammy in 2014, even though probably 80 percent of those detractors didn't even vote.
Edited to make the wording less awkward.
[Edited on 3/4/2016 by G. Jonah Jameson]
Yet another reason for Vince to hate those daggum Millenials. What with their inability to stop complaing about things not going their way, and their
reliance on the idea that they can somehow change things without voting.
You are the vulgarian, you fuck!
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Matte
"Family Man" 
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quote:
Originally posted by merc
I have always assumed the Slammy's were part of the entertainmen; and therefore scripted. However I guess I should ask, in a "sport" where
outcomes are "predetermined" what would the definition of "rigged" be?
When they promote something as being dependent on fan voting but then ignore the voting and hand-pick the results. In this case, that would be the
definition.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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Slade
The Great One
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quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
Originally posted by Slade
I agree with this 100%. I also find it amusing that the same people who think Roman Reigns winning the award in 2014 was rigged, don't think
that Daniel Bryan winning it in 2013 was rigged
Probably because there's a difference between moments like this: https://youtu.be/bnWtek7k7hM
...and moments like this: https://youtu.be/pWWmD0p_GdE
It's awfully nice of you to link to a video of Roman Reigns entering the Royal Rumble in Philadelphia, less than three minutes after Daniel
Bryan was eliminated, to try to prove your point. Of course those fans were going to boo the fuck out of him. They aren't what anyone would call
a good representation of the entire WWE fan base.
quote:
Originally posted by Matte
quote:
Originally posted by merc
I have always assumed the Slammy's were part of the entertainmen; and therefore scripted. However I guess I should ask, in a "sport" where
outcomes are "predetermined" what would the definition of "rigged" be?
When they promote something as being dependent on fan voting but then ignore the voting and hand-pick the results. In this case, that would be the
definition.
Matte's definition of a rigged vote is what I was thinking. Thank you, Matte.
I don't believe that the Slammy Awards are predetermined when: Daniel Bryan wins Superstar of the Year at the same time that he's
supposedly being buried and not properly pushed; Roman Reigns wins Superstar of the Year when children were probably the most active voters; or an
injured heel, Seth Rollins, wins Superstar of the Year, the following year, when the anti-Reigns crowd finally votes on mass in an attempt to ensure
that he doesn't win the award again. None of it wreaks of being predetermined. Were it predetermined, the guy that Vince supposedly
doesn't believe in, doesn't win his award, Reigns probably still wins his, and Rollins sure as hell doesn't win the award because it
is against the laws of wrestling for a heel aligned with the corporate authority and not a babyface to win Superstar of the Year.
quote:
Posted by Columbo
1. So a guy they've been pushing as the second coming of Jesus at the expense of the rest of the roster forthe better part of 2 years gets a
pass for not developing mic skills or a compelling character?
2. Why should we settle for "isn't really all that bad"?
Maybe you should ask yourself why we should settle for "isn't really all the bad" because my answer would probably be very similar to whatever
your reason is for having once said that Finn Balor "should be WWE Champion like yesterday" (see:
Your Favorite Wrestler Today). Here's a guy who is terrible on the
microphone and who is extremely bland and boring when he's not wearing body paint, and yet nearly a year ago, you were willing to settle for him
to be the WWE Champion. You thought Balor deserved to be the WWE Champion even though, as a performer, he suffers from the same flaws as Reigns (poor
mic skills and a character that needs improvement). And Balor is a guy who has not even appeared on the main roster yet. We don't know how well
he'll manage to get over, if at all. At least Roman Reigns managed to get over with some portion of the fan base that doesn't resent him
for winning the 2015 Royal Rumble instead of Daniel Bryan.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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Columbo
Showstopper
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quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Posted by Columbo
1. So a guy they've been pushing as the second coming of Jesus at the expense of the rest of the roster forthe better part of 2 years gets a
pass for not developing mic skills or a compelling character?
2. Why should we settle for "isn't really all that bad"?
Maybe you should ask yourself why we should settle for "isn't really all the bad" because my answer would probably be very similar to whatever
your reason is for having once said that Finn Balor "should be WWE Champion like yesterday" (see:
Your Favorite Wrestler Today). Here's a guy who is terrible on the
microphone and who is extremely bland and boring when he's not wearing body paint, and yet nearly a year ago, you were willing to settle for him
to be the WWE Champion. You thought Balor deserved to be the WWE Champion even though, as a performer, he suffers from the same flaws as Reigns (poor
mic skills and a character that needs improvement). And Balor is a guy who has not even appeared on the main roster yet. We don't know how well
he'll manage to get over, if at all. At least Roman Reigns managed to get over with some portion of the fan base that doesn't resent him
for winning the 2015 Royal Rumble instead of Daniel Bryan.
If you were gonna call me a hypocrite, you should have pointed out in that same post where I blamed creative for Roman sucking:
quote:
Originally posted by Columbo
And for fun my least favorite: Bray(I don't mind him wrestling just shut the fuck up already), The Ascension, Kane, Cena(but only when
he's doing shouty intensity Cena) and Roman Reigns(this more on the E than him although he should probably shut the fuck up in his interviews
also).
Also Finn could be WWE champion tomorrow and I'd be cool with it. While he may not be the greatest on the mic he always comes across as a
genuine human being, where RR in my opinion comes across as a subpar actor in a local dinner theatre. I'm willing to give the Cesaro, Finn, and
Nevilles of the world a chance because their performance is spectacular, but also because their love of wrestling shines through in their
personalities away from the ring. I don't get that from Roman it feels like its a job to him, like he wants to get in, get money, and get
out.
[Edited on 3-5-2016 by Columbo]
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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merc
Showstopper
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quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by Matte
quote:
Originally posted by merc
I have always assumed the Slammy's were part of the entertainmen; and therefore scripted. However I guess I should ask, in a "sport" where
outcomes are "predetermined" what would the definition of "rigged" be?
When they promote something as being dependent on fan voting but then ignore the voting and hand-pick the results. In this case, that would be the
definition.
Matte's definition of a rigged vote is what I was thinking. Thank you, Matte.
I don't believe that the Slammy Awards are predetermined when: Daniel Bryan wins Superstar of the Year at the same time that he's
supposedly being buried and not properly pushed; Roman Reigns wins Superstar of the Year when children were probably the most active voters; or an
injured heel, Seth Rollins, wins Superstar of the Year, the following year, when the anti-Reigns crowd finally votes on mass in an attempt to ensure
that he doesn't win the award again. None of it wreaks of being predetermined. Were it predetermined, the guy that Vince supposedly
doesn't believe in, doesn't win his award, Reigns probably still wins his, and Rollins sure as hell doesn't win the award because it
is against the laws of wrestling for a heel aligned with the corporate authority and not a babyface to win Superstar of the Year.
Matt- you know they promote the matches themselves as competitive events although they are predetermined. And the actual injuries that occur are
accidents, not a result of intent to maim, cripple or retire. In fact, when they promote someone is hurt, it's just as likely a reason for them
to film a movie. The wrestling promoters promote stuff for us to believe to make their product better. There is no reason for any of it to be true.
Hell, Chief Jay Strongbow was Italian and from New Jersey- not Pohuska, OK.
Slade,
I think I look at those three examples (thanks for providing them, I care even less to recall them than knowing who wins) of proof that things are
predetermined.
DB: was being "squashed by VKM & Team, who else but the fans to rally behind him...that poor little bastard that only the fans believe in. Plug him
in as SotY to make sure he keeps (or gets) that momentum.
RR: Gonna push him to the moon (maybe) so the fans are his big supporters- make sure he is SotY for those fans that don't get it.
SR: OK RR is struggling, so we don't want another face in the way of RR rise to greatness. SR looks like the next Ric Flair so time to prop
him up. Let's make him SofY.
The SR one is interesting because to me it is as compelling as RR that "the fix is in". I''m not buying wrestling fans vote in a heel-
just think of all the Apter magazines and their top wrestlers...oh wait...that was fixed too.
I find it kinda funny that kayfabe is alive and well on the interwebs!
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Matte
"Family Man"
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quote:
Originally posted by merc
Matt- you know they promote the matches themselves as competitive events although they are predetermined. And the actual injuries that occur are
accidents, not a result of intent to maim, cripple or retire. In fact, when they promote someone is hurt, it's just as likely a reason for them
to film a movie. The wrestling promoters promote stuff for us to believe to make their product better. There is no reason for any of it to be true.
Hell, Chief Jay Strongbow was Italian and from New Jersey- not Pohuska, OK.
I won't say you're missing the point, but I think you're making a different one than I was. My point was that "rigged voting" even
in a predetermined sport would be defined as polls promoted as legitimate while having predetermined results. Nothing more, nothing less. I
wasn't arguing whether the Slammys do or do not fit this definition. And for what it's worth, I am aware of kayfabe.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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punkerhardcore
American Dream
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quote:
Originally posted by Slade
It's awfully nice of you to link to a video of Roman Reigns entering the Royal Rumble in Philadelphia, less than three minutes after Daniel
Bryan was eliminated, to try to prove your point. Of course those fans were going to boo the fuck out of him. They aren't what anyone would call
a good representation of the entire WWE fan base.
Who cares? If Roman was as over as the company desperately wanted him to be, it wouldn't matter one bit who was eliminated before him.
Somebody who they think should be the next #1 babyface of the WWE should get cheered no matter what. Ziggler was one of the last few guys eliminated
in that 2015 Rumble, and he damn sure wouldn't have been booed by the crowd.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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It's all water under the bridge but the crowd cheering for Rusev over Reigns in the final moments of that RR said it all. Whether it was all
due to bad booking or due to the Philly fans going ultra-smark or, most likely, a combination of the two, that particular moment in time is long lost
and can't ever be repaired. They booed The Rock, fer fuck's sake, at that show. No coming back from that, and I say that as someone who
really doesn't have as much against Reigns as so many others do.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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