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posted on 4-6-2016 at 02:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by Foxcalibur
I guess if this is the place to discuss Roman, I'd like to say that I hate hate hate how WWE insists on calling Roman Roman. His name is Roman
Reigns, and he should thus be referred to by his last name. Reigns. As in, "I can't believe Reigns just hit his fifth consecutive Superman
Punch in a row. It's like he doesn't know any other moves!"
Mainstream sports announcers are doing it now too, and that's annoying. They call him "Peyton" instead of "Manning". "Aaron" instead of
"Rodgers". "Russell" instead of "Wilson". Don't like it.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 02:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles
Yeah about 3fuckin hundred...but my memory fails at some point, likely another 3fuckin hundred.
Sammartino v. Vachon, Kowalski, Duncum, Wolfman, Hansen, Steele, Carpentier, Arion, Valient (pick one, most likely Jimmy), Ladd, Von Eric (Waldo)
More recent?
HOGAN V. boss man, earthquake, tugboat, Ventura, Steele (again), Sheik, Shultz, funk, Hernandez, Volkoff, Muraco (phase 2), Patera, Kamala, Sika,
You get the idea, it's been happening longer than we've been alive.
Skipping further ahead, my personal favorites: HHH v Booker T & Seth Rollins v. Sting.
They had no chance..
You get the idea. Move along. Find something else to whine about
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 02:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Mainstream sports announcers are doing it now too, and that's annoying. They call him "Peyton" instead of "Manning". "Aaron" instead of
"Rodgers". "Russell" instead of "Wilson". Don't like it.
Ugh. RIGHT? Even if you DO hang out with him at home and swap wives or whatever, that's not part of your job. Call the players by their last
names.
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles?
Vince's Chosen One vs. A Guy That Made His Name In The Competition?
I mean this is a guy who jobbed out Sting just to prove that WWE was superior to WCW 15 YEARS AFTER THE FACT.
There's less than a zero percent chance that Styles wins, right? Right?
Yeah, Styles is getting bufu'd. Which I'm fine with in this particular instance. Styles even getting the first title shot after
'Mania is a decent push into the topcard. He can make a more serious run at it later, if that's in the cards. And Indy Darling Underdog
Styles is a great foil for newly heel-adjacent "tweeeeeeener" Reigns.
So long as the match doesn't somehow become WWE vs. TNA, I'll be fine with AJ counting the lights.. Luckily, it's WWE's policy
to not even acknowledge TNA exists, so the chances of that are low.
NXT: It's like WWE, but fun!
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 02:47 AM
Don't get so worked up about the announcers calling Roman Reigns "Roman." They're just trying to make sure the fans don't confuse
him with Luther Reigns.
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles?
Yeah, the outcome of every main event on the PPV immediately following Wrestlemania. Was there any doubt that Seth Rollins was going to retain last
year? Daniel Bryan in 2014? John Cena in 2013?
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 03:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles?
Vince's Chosen One vs. A Guy That Made His Name In The Competition?
I mean this is a guy who jobbed out Sting just to prove that WWE was superior to WCW 15 YEARS AFTER THE FACT.
There's less than a zero percent chance that Styles wins, right? Right?
I, for one, am anxious to see what happens when Vince attempts to divide by zero.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 04:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by merc
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles
Yeah about 3fuckin hundred...but my memory fails at some point, likely another 3fuckin hundred.
Sammartino v. Vachon, Kowalski, Duncum, Wolfman, Hansen, Steele, Carpentier, Arion, Valient (pick one, most likely Jimmy), Ladd, Von Eric (Waldo)
More recent?
HOGAN V. boss man, earthquake, tugboat, Ventura, Steele (again), Sheik, Shultz, funk, Hernandez, Volkoff, Muraco (phase 2), Patera, Kamala, Sika,
You get the idea, it's been happening longer than we've been alive.
Skipping further ahead, my personal favorites: HHH v Booker T & Seth Rollins v. Sting.
They had no chance..
You get the idea. Move along. Find something else to whine about
You compared Reigns to Hulk Hogan and Bruno Sammartino?
Also, there was A LOT of doubt with the other matches you mentioned.
The only thing I'm whining about is your ignorance of wrestling history.
Either way, my statement was hyperbolic and not meant to be taken literally. Still and all, there is no chance in hell Styles wins.
[Edited on 4-6-2016 by CCharger]
[Edited on 4-6-2016 by CCharger]
When it Reigns, it bores.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 04:40 AM
quote:Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Mainstream sports announcers are doing it now too, and that's annoying. They call him "Peyton" instead of "Manning". "Aaron" instead of
"Rodgers". "Russell" instead of "Wilson". Don't like it.
I blame Ichiro Suzuki.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 05:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles?
More so since AJ Styles has unfinished business with Chris Jericho and Kevin Owens beat him a few times (on TV and elsewhere) in IC Title Matches.
AJ Styles is not ready to be in the main event yet.
WWE loves random booking these days - "Anyone can win on any given night...unless you are Reigns". So they gave Styles the win on RAW. Mind you, I
really liked the fact that AJ Styles won the match but unfortunately the best he is likely to get in this scenario is getting screwed out of a win.
That, if the WWE wants to be kind.
Else, we see Roman winning clean and decisively.
AJ Styles needs to be in the IC/US Title scenario for a year or so. Get 2-3 memorable feuds and then beat Seth Rollins for the World HeavyWeight Title
in a Ladder Match at Summerslam 2017.
Bret Hart - Best Ever, Undertaker - Most Memorable, The Rock - Most Entertaining.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 12:37 PM
If you're coming into this spitting your pacifier out because AJ isn't going to win the big belt then I'm putting you in the box
with the crazy people that blew up when he didn't win the Rumble.
They're booking the guy really respectfully at the moment especially if you consider who he is and where he's associated with the most to
the mainstream. Watch the vignette they played before his wrestlemania match, listen to how he's put over on commentary and count how many times
they say "AJ Styles" it's (not so) subtle psychological embedding of the guy as a big deal.
The fact he wasn't buried in a multi man match or even was at Wrestlemania and is now in the title picture is a pretty big win and a lot more
respect anyone other than Sting got this early in their run.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 12:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by The Hitcher
If you're coming into this spitting your pacifier out because AJ isn't going to win the big belt then I'm putting you in the box
with the crazy people that blew up when he didn't win the Rumble.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 12:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
quote:Originally posted by merc
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles
Yeah about 3fuckin hundred...but my memory fails at some point, likely another 3fuckin hundred.
Sammartino v. Vachon, Kowalski, Duncum, Wolfman, Hansen, Steele, Carpentier, Arion, Valient (pick one, most likely Jimmy), Ladd, Von Eric (Waldo)
More recent?
HOGAN V. boss man, earthquake, tugboat, Ventura, Steele (again), Sheik, Shultz, funk, Hernandez, Volkoff, Muraco (phase 2), Patera, Kamala, Sika,
You get the idea, it's been happening longer than we've been alive.
Skipping further ahead, my personal favorites: HHH v Booker T & Seth Rollins v. Sting.
They had no chance..
You get the idea. Move along. Find something else to whine about
You compared Reigns to Hulk Hogan and Bruno Sammartino?
Also, there was A LOT of doubt with the other matches you mentioned.
The only thing I'm whining about is your ignorance of wrestling history.
Either way, my statement was hyperbolic and not meant to be taken literally. Still and all, there is no chance in hell Styles wins.
[Edited on 4-6-2016 by CCharger]
[Edited on 4-6-2016 by CCharger]
My Friend,
I wasn't comparing anyone to anyone, just answering your hyperbole, yes there were other main events where the challenger had no chance.
I'm love to talk history, one fault I have of OO, and will move this to retro so we dive into it.
BTW, the way I see AJ winning is Reigns beats the living hell out of him, to the point he solidifies himself as a heel (+1) and is DQ'ed.
See ya in the past!
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 01:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by merc
See ya in the past!
[Edited on 4/6/2016 by Paddlefoot]
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 03:11 PM
To be clear, I am not whining about the predictable outcome of Reigns/Styles. I was merely pointing out HOW predictable is was. The idea of Styles
beating Reigns for the belt is so far out of the realm of possibility it is laughable. That's not anything I am upset or pissed about. Merely an
observation, not an opinion.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 03:20 PM
I'll enjoy it for what it is. AJ Styles, a little guy that no one a year ago thought was ever going to be in WWE, is going for the main title.
And that's against a guy who really can bring it in the ring, no matter his flaws or how much damage he's suffering from the way WWE is
using him. Fans can get wrapped up all they want in the Roman Reigns soap opera but in all likelihood, to quote Bart and Homer, it's gonna be
one hell of a match. I want to be the kind of fan that sets all this bullshit aside just because this has Top 5 MOTY potential all over it, not the
kind of fan who just can't get over themselves and deliberately wrecks the experience of something that could turn out to be fucking awesome.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 03:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
To be clear, I am not whining about the predictable outcome of Reigns/Styles. I was merely pointing out HOW predictable is was. The idea of Styles
beating Reigns for the belt is so far out of the realm of possibility it is laughable. That's not anything I am upset or pissed about. Merely an
observation, not an opinion.
Noted and to clarify.
AJ not winning is just a little more predictable than pretty much anyone else on the whole roster is of not winning at the moment because,
obviously.
The one caveat to that crushing inevitability would, I guess, be Ambrose, because of the friendship wrinkles but they kinda did that already so beyond
that, I don't know Cena? Some sort of stunt booking?
At least we'll get the fun of a guy we like running on the top of the card for a bit rather than watching HHH trying to get his heat back or
something...
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 05:36 PM
The inevitability of AJ losing and that robbing the match of some joy is a bit weird IMO, and it maybe veers into the we're all too smart for
our own good to just relax and enjoy the show....
Don't get me wrong.... AJ ain't winning.
I look at it like this though; Roman in real life looks like he'd just squash Styles... younger, stronger, more aggressive looking.... if we saw
these two dudes about to throw down in a parking lot most of our money would be on Reigns winning the fight.... In wrestling though we don't let
this stop us because they can tell a story where even for a moment we can believe that David can beat Goliath... and we'd enjoy it more than
likely.
Even if you wanted to get away from the whole Vince's chosen one versus the face of the closest thing to competition he's had in 10 years
thing, you'd still have a situation where a newly minted WM main evented world champion is probably not going to lose to an up and comer
(who's very over, don't get me wrong) in his first PPV after said ascension to the top of the mountain.
I'm hoping we can all get on board and suspend our disbelief that Roman won't lose because VINCE and just enjoy the match.... This is
probably a lot like Bryan Vs Reigns for the WM spot a few years ago... if they tell a story in the match well enough, and we can put aside our
smarkiness for a half hour we might enjoy ourselves (I'm firmly lumping myself in this).
This is the crux of the problem with Reigns though... it's not him, it's the booking of him.... He's the hand picked guy by Vince,
but he's also the bane of the fictional authority.... yawn..... They are putting him against guys we cheer for and making them literally serve
as stepping stones.... gotta cut them some slack there as you do want entertaining matches, but a bit more vulnerability for Reigns would help this
(and I don't mean writing him out because of a deviated septum in the same calendar year that saw Cena's face destroyed and him finish the
match).
Anyway, hope this makes sense.... I had to crap this out on my lunch; my bottom line though is the WWE doesn't do enough with Reigns to help us
achieve the necessary suspension of disbelief we need to enjoy things, but we also probably get too invested backstage rumours about which two oiled
up muscle guys are fake fighting that we forget that we have no real horse in the race (other than passion of course).
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 05:51 PM
Reigns could be having his first feud / title defense against Kane, Big Show, or Ryback.
THAT, my friends, is what an empty glass looks like. Not this.
Now let's spend our time and energy getting our IWC hopes up that this leads to a Shield/Bullet Club thing so we can be really really upset when
that doesn't happen.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 06:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
To be clear, I am not whining about the predictable outcome of Reigns/Styles. I was merely pointing out HOW predictable is was. The idea of Styles
beating Reigns for the belt is so far out of the realm of possibility it is laughable. That's not anything I am upset or pissed about. Merely an
observation, not an opinion.
I call bullshit. Characterizing it as "laughable" implies a negative judgment. Perhaps that doesn't register as being upset or pissed, but
regular usage strongly suggests that you don't like it. And to pick up on Merc's earlier response, if you don't like it because of
HOW predictable the outcome is, then there must be ever so much in the history of wrestling that you also don't like.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 06:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
This is the crux of the problem with Reigns though... it's not him, it's the booking of him.... He's the hand picked guy by Vince,
but he's also the bane of the fictional authority....
And therein lies my greatest issue with his push. The story they're trying to tell is riddled with so many contradictions it pulls me out of
whatever nonsensery is normally acceptable in a fake fighting league. With social media being what it is and fan's overall investment in the
product nowadays, it's no longer fanboys like us that have the inside edge on being surly cunts aboot things we don't like or calling out
glaringly obvious issues in storyline progression. Ground zero for that is Reigns being The Guy handpicked by...the Authority that hates him?
Then there's the glaringly obvious cognitive dissonnouncing from Maggle, Lil' B, and Yeehaw Chucklefuck McHootenanny, Esq. generally
calling the cheers/boos for the rest of the roster accurately, while laying on the spin for whenever The Guy shows up. Fine, they want to play
it that way and have him be NuCena? Then enough with the protection and let him swim in the middle of the ring without his Bucky Floaties and his
Vince Vest keeping his head above water.
That being said, I am looking forward to Reigns/A.J., I just wish the storytelling weren't so obvious. Because it is and certain aspects of WWE
to me are just becoming out-of-context look-it-up-on-youtube stand alone matches, rather than me trying to enjoy the show as a whole. It's much
like how I watch anything TNA, ROH, or NJPW now. Oh well.
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
Reigns could be having his first feud / title defense against Kane, Big Show, or Ryback.
THAT, my friends, is what an empty glass looks like. Not this.
Now let's spend our time and energy getting our IWC hopes up that this leads to a Shield/Bullet Club thing so we can be really really upset when
that doesn't happen.
If this doesn't happen. She will find you.
She will hunt you.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 07:32 PM
If anything, we could be in for a really good match or a good series of matches, along with carving AJ's place in the main evetn/upper card as
well as developing both of their characters.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 08:40 PM
I see Reigns as a more athletically talented Diesel/Nash. For all of his size, Kevin Nash was marginal until he hit Diesel days. He then NEEDED
Shawn Michaels to elevate him and ultimately peaked as a wise ass heel named Kevin Nash...where ultimately the fans turned him face.
I was watching some old Outsiders video and it was impressive how Nash connected being "THE Guy".
Reigns has very similar 4th wall expressions and mannerisms. He is lacking, and if the OOperts are right- been deprived, of the proper elevation.
Since that time has passed, The company needs to overlook short term "goodness sales", for a fan forced heel turn (and AJ is perfect fodder). Then
his Berto described arrogan, cockiness can help him follow the same path to facedom.
BTW, good AJ talk in the Reigns thread and ongoing Reigns bitching in rumorville.
Gotta love the consistency!
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 09:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by salmonjunkie
If anything, we could be in for a really good match or a good series of matches, along with carving AJ's place in the main evetn/upper card as
well as developing both of their characters.
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 09:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by janerd75
Ground zero for that is Reigns being The Guy handpicked by...the Authority that hates him?
This is the big piece of this puzzle that has me baffled. At Wrestlemania, they had 4 legends make appearances. Only one of them got 20 minutes to
himself, with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and flamethrower. He is the easily biggest cross-over star they've ever made. And what was his WWE
beginning? As a hand-picked face stuffed down our throats, that the not-yet-named-Universe (we were just peasant "fans" then) revolted against,
creating a fan-forced-heel turn that led to his evolution into the "Most Electrifying Man in Entertainment."
Yet, when a similar opportunity (I ain't saying Reigns becomes Rocky, but the formula exists for some level of success) smacks them in the faces
for 18 months - and in the form of a member of his own family, no less - they refuse to take that ball and run with it?
Cue clip of Jason Sensation as HBK dropping the ball... Or Zach Ryder doing so, if you're more new school than old.
[Edited on 4-6-2016 by Dyn-O-Mite]
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posted on 4-6-2016 at 10:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
The inevitability of AJ losing and that robbing the match of some joy is a bit weird IMO, and it maybe veers into the we're all too smart for
our own good to just relax and enjoy the show....
Don't get me wrong.... AJ ain't winning.
The question, for me, is "Can AJ get a 'great match' out of Roman?" This
is Nappy-Time Joe we're talking about. I have few doubts about who's wearing the Fancy Belt at the end of the match. What's
important to me is if Mr Styles can elevate The Duke of Deathpunchies to his level, and prove "us" wrong about Roman's skillset. That might
help cleanse the palate a little: if Good Ol' RR can hang with AJ for 30+ minutes instead of having an epic clash of styles.
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posted on 4-7-2016 at 03:30 AM
Because it needed to be done to get it out of everyone's system*.
*Okay, my system. Whatevs, don't judge me. You know you like it.
[Edited on 4-7-2016 by janerd75]
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