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posted on 7-6-2016 at 04:58 AM
I would be completely fine with Lesnar/Orton if it happens. I think it's an intriguing match up, not to mention one that we've never seen
before, and Orton is arguably the biggest name in the WWE that Lesnar hasn't feuded with at some point since his return a few years ago.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 05:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
I would be completely fine with Lesnar/Orton if it happens. I think it's an intriguing match up, not to mention one that we've never seen
before
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 06:34 AM
Orton reminds a lot of Dennis from Sunny in that pic. Man, if Orton could have ever gotten comfortable mic he could have killed it as the narcissitic
sociopath who doesn't understand he is a fucked up psycho.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 07:21 AM
"It's all about the implication..."
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 07:35 AM
FWIW, WWE didn't reveal Lesnar's opponent during TV tapings tonight, which means it'll be a secret pre-taped insert, not some live
in-ring spectacle. Well, either that, or it just doesn't happen at all....
And this is where I'd have a problem if it's Orton. I'm on board with Lesnar/Orton in a general sense: it's a mountain Lesnar
hasn't really climbed, and a guy with enough past glory that you'd believe WWE would do a 3-match arc where Orton could believably get one
up on Brock OR have Orton just take a loss (a la Ambrose) and he'd be pretty much undamaged by it. [I think this flexibility is handy, too,
because what you do with Brock at SummerSlam might be contingent on if he wins or loses at UFC200. If he wins, he can have a competitive first feud
back; if he loses, though, it better be a pretty decisive win.]
Intellectually, I know it's sort of inevitable, and other people will want to see it, but for me, it's Orton, so, you know, bleh.... in
other words, pretty much how a lot of internet types felt about Lesnar feuding with HHH, even though that worked out pretty well.
But back to why THIS introduction of the match irks me: nobody is clammoring for it. Nobody has ever once said "Boy, what would happen if Lesnar
faced Orton?" You can't just have WWE throw out a video package and declare HERE IT IS, BASK IN THE GLORY OF THE DECISION WE MADE FOR
SUMMERSLAM! and expect it to click. But apparently that is the presentation they are choosing for the reveal, and even if you dress it up as a Shane
or Steph power play to pull a main event caliber match out of thin ar, that doesn't solve the problem of why anyone would want to see
Lesnar/Orton other than "because it's on SummerSlam."
For Lesnar/Orton to work, you have to do an actual pro wrestling storyline, instead of just lazily banking on the vague hope that if you have
Lesnar's next pro wrestling match as a hot topic just as he competes at UFC200, somehow that will entice MMA fans to transfer over to watch
Brock at his "day job." Dana White can just wave his wand and go "Mmmmmmm, Brock vs. Some Random Guy Not Ranked in the Top 5 But Who Isn't a
Total Schlub," and it works, because that's MMA. WWE can't do that with a similar opponent in Orton.
Now, have Orton show up and do the actual in-ring, put the bad mouth on Lesnar, and give us a valid reason for why he demands the match? Then you have
something. It may not be much, because speaking isn't Randall's strong suit, but if he can plant the seed (and he just missed almost a
whole damned year of his career due to back-to-back movie-then-injury, so it's not like he shouldn't be ultra-motivated to do something
massive), then Paul Heyman will take over the very next week, and cultivate that thing into a redwood by SummerSlam.
Just my own damned opinion, but a slick corporate reveal of a "focus group dream match" that doesn't actually have any traction or "wanty"
with the fans isn't gonna get Orton/Lesnar off to much of a hot start....
Rick
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 07:47 AM
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 10:21 AM
I have long thought that "The Gang" (complete with a Frank-type manager) could make for a great wrestling gimmick. I could see someone at the level
of The Social Outcasts pulling it off. The right "Dee" would be awesome.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 11:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by Clownbaby
I have long thought that "The Gang" (complete with a Frank-type manager) could make for a great wrestling gimmick. I could see someone at the level
of The Social Outcasts pulling it off. The right "Dee" would be awesome.
*cough*Summer Rae*cough*
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 11:54 AM
I don't believe this UFC shows is a 1 off thing for Brock, IF HE WINS.
If he loses - back to WWE he goes.
If he wins - Dana's going to want to milk that cash cow, and Junior Dos Santos doesn't currently have a fight lined up...
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by OORick
You can't just have WWE throw out a video package and declare HERE IT IS, BASK IN THE GLORY OF THE DECISION WE MADE
Why not? They do it all the time. It is literally their entire booking mentality.
When it Reigns, it bores.
Slick
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 02:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
quote:Originally posted by Clownbaby
I have long thought that "The Gang" (complete with a Frank-type manager) could make for a great wrestling gimmick. I could see someone at the level
of The Social Outcasts pulling it off. The right "Dee" would be awesome.
*cough*Summer Rae*cough*
She looks like a bird
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 03:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Gobshite
I don't believe this UFC shows is a 1 off thing for Brock, IF HE WINS.
If he loses - back to WWE he goes.
If he wins - Dana's going to want to milk that cash cow, and Junior Dos Santos doesn't currently have a fight lined up...
If he wins and comes back for Summer Slam before Dos Santos, think of how the E can abuse him... BROCK LESNER v. Zack Ryder with a Ryder win... Then
off you go to UFC....
Ain't gonna happen, but what fun it could be... Maybe even a big return match against one of the Social Outcasts...with a surprising upset.
The list of how to fuck with Brock's newfound success in UFC is long and entertaining.
They are called "letters" when put together they make "words". Words make moving photos unnecessary.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 05:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by merc
quote:Originally posted by Gobshite
I don't believe this UFC shows is a 1 off thing for Brock, IF HE WINS.
If he loses - back to WWE he goes.
If he wins - Dana's going to want to milk that cash cow, and Junior Dos Santos doesn't currently have a fight lined up...
If he wins and comes back for Summer Slam before Dos Santos, think of how the E can abuse him... BROCK LESNER v. Zack Ryder with a Ryder win... Then
off you go to UFC....
Ain't gonna happen, but what fun it could be... Maybe even a big return match against one of the Social Outcasts...with a surprising upset.
The list of how to fuck with Brock's newfound success in UFC is long and entertaining.
Why would they even contemplate this? Your suggestion is literally one of the most stupid posts in OO history. WWE stands to make tens of millions
of dollars off of Brock win or lose till the end of time. He's not jobbing to anyone who isn't on the fast track to being a first ballot
hall of famer.
Besides, do you honestly think he'd go along with losing to a guy like Ryder in anything but the most insanely over booked schmooze? If they
even suggested this chances are he'd say no, and then have Vince fire the guy for stupidity.
Get off my lawn.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 05:51 PM
If the promo were in more capable hands... ie not Randy's, and the whole lack of respect thing hadn't been his big selling point as the
face of the company/authority a couple years ago... I'd say that the whole I'm a legend but never got the respect bit would be a way to
go. There's enough real stuff there with Orton getting passed over for all the big matches, or even really paying much attention to him when he
gets some mainstream success (the RKO videos). Eh... maybe Heyman can shine that turd up a bit to get into Randy's head.
Honestly what they should do is go with a heel Orton... the legend killer gimmick was gold for the guy, and right now the big white buffalo out there
is Brock. Orton winning could also give you a good launch pad for him paying that forward to the rest of the roster... maybe a guy like Zayn can go
over Orton... not big enough to go over Brock, but Orton's jobbed enough times that he can spread the rub around.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 07:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:Originally posted by merc
quote:Originally posted by Gobshite
I don't believe this UFC shows is a 1 off thing for Brock, IF HE WINS.
If he loses - back to WWE he goes.
If he wins - Dana's going to want to milk that cash cow, and Junior Dos Santos doesn't currently have a fight lined up...
If he wins and comes back for Summer Slam before Dos Santos, think of how the E can abuse him... BROCK LESNER v. Zack Ryder with a Ryder win... Then
off you go to UFC....
Ain't gonna happen, but what fun it could be... Maybe even a big return match against one of the Social Outcasts...with a surprising upset.
The list of how to fuck with Brock's newfound success in UFC is long and entertaining.
Why would they even contemplate this? Your suggestion is literally one of the most stupid posts in OO history. WWE stands to make tens of millions
of dollars off of Brock win or lose till the end of time. He's not jobbing to anyone who isn't on the fast track to being a first ballot
hall of famer.
Besides, do you honestly think he'd go along with losing to a guy like Ryder in anything but the most insanely over booked schmooze? If they
even suggested this chan
ces are he'd say no, and then have Vince fire the guy for stupidity.
DK, I'll trust you speed read the post and missed "ain't gonna happen". If not, then you just surpassed my "stupidest post in OO
history."
I was just playin with VKM getting a woody over having one of his jobbers beat a UFC stud.
They are called "letters" when put together they make "words". Words make moving photos unnecessary.
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 07:57 PM
Is it showing too much respect for the audience's memory span/intelligence just to use the fact that Orton usurped Lesnar's "omg youngest
evar heavyweight champ" accolade (back in 2004 in one of Vince's blatant acts of spiteful booking after Bork went to try his hand in the NFL?)?
Not that I can explain why Black Lesbo has waited 4 years since his return to bring the matter to young Randolph's attention...
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posted on 7-6-2016 at 10:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
quote:Originally posted by OORick
You can't just have WWE throw out a video package and declare HERE IT IS, BASK IN THE GLORY OF THE DECISION WE MADE
Why not? They do it all the time. It is literally their entire booking mentality.
I think My Signature even pretty much encapsulates that?
Not the drugs part, that's about .. Well, y'all know who. The non-drugs part, I mean. That's the booking philosophy in a nutshell.
"I don't do good drugs...I don't do bad drugs...I do THE drugs."
------------------------------------------ Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 7-7-2016 at 02:04 PM
I read this quickly:
quote:Originally posted by Flash
Eh... maybe Heyman can shine that turd up a bit to get into Randy's head.
and somehow thought it said, "maybe Heyman can shine that turd up a bit to get Randy hard."
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posted on 7-7-2016 at 03:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by Gobshite
I don't believe this UFC shows is a 1 off thing for Brock, IF HE WINS.
If he loses - back to WWE he goes.
If he wins - Dana's going to want to milk that cash cow, and Junior Dos Santos doesn't currently have a fight lined up...
He's under contract with WWE, so he can't just decide to stick around and line up more UFC fights without:
Express permission from WWE; Some clause in the contract that allows for this that we don't know about; Says "fuck it," and breaches the
contract.
But it's not a binary situation: Wins - more UFC; Lose - back to WWE.
Always Imitated -- Never Duplicated
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posted on 7-8-2016 at 01:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
quote:Originally posted by the goon
I would be completely fine with Lesnar/Orton if it happens. I think it's an intriguing match up, not to mention one that we've never seen
before
MFW
I actually remember this match from so long ago. Behold this fucking sweet F5 spot....
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posted on 7-8-2016 at 01:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Thom
I read this quickly:
quote:Originally posted by Flash
Eh... maybe Heyman can shine that turd up a bit to get into Randy's head.
and somehow thought it said, "maybe Heyman can shine that turd up a bit to get Randy hard."
Hey; if shiny turds get Randy hard, that's his business
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posted on 7-8-2016 at 03:08 AM
Maybe Randy thought hard shiny turds got Rochelle Loewen wet and that's why he left some in her luggage.
Give the doofus some credit though, going by that F5. He always knew how to sell good. His matches maybe always don't make him look like the
best but the other guy usually comes out of it looking fairly decent. He does the two basics of the game very well. Don't make your opponent
look like crap and do the performance efficiently & safely enough that no one gets hurt. Even his own injuries always seem to be either the result of
flukes (like when he broke his collarbone) or from simple wear & tear (his shoulder) from too many performances per year.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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posted on 7-8-2016 at 03:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Don't make your opponent look like crap and do the performance efficiently & safely enough that no one gets hurt.
This right there is why there is a HUGE disconnect between how the IWC or smart fans see Orton, and how the people inside the wrestling business see
Orton. Whenever there's a bunch of people talking about who they love to work with, Orton ALWAYS comes up. And most of the time comments,
tweets, and forum posts claim that the WWE is pushing guys to say that.
But maybe, just maybe guys like a guy who is willing to sell, and make sure nobody gets hurt.
Also remember this?
Here's Rollins on that:
quote:
�Randy and I kept missing it and missing it. And neither of us were interested in [taking] the bump itself on a Thursday afternoon or whatever,
because it kind of sucked, in a practice ring in front of nobody, so we never got it one time practicing that day. We got the popup, but we never
actually did the full thing. We come back to �Mania [on] Sunday and we�re talking and we had come up with a Plan B, like he was going to get me out of
a springboard or something like that, which we�ve done and everyone [has] seen it. And Randy�s one of these guys who likes to play it safe sometimes.
He likes to bat 1000, he said, and I have no problem with that. I have no problem with that. I was like, �screw it, dude. I get it. You want to bat
1000.� And he was like, �yeah, you know what? I always play it safe.� He was like, �I always play it safe. Every time! And that�s great, but lets just
try it. To hell with it.� And I�m like, �are you sure?� And he�s like, �yeah! You know what? I play it safe. I have plenty of WrestleMania matches
that are fine, but lets just try it. If we can hit it, it�ll be awesome. It�ll be the greatest thing. Lets just do it.� So we get out there, we�re
doing the match.� Rollins continued, �I ran and I hit. It was just one of those things. I hit it and I knew it. I got up in the air. I got super flat.
We made eye contact. He hits the thing and he forgets to cover me. If you watch it back, he hits it, he stands up immediately, starts Randy firing up
however he does, which was a complete shoot, and I think [John] Cone was our referee or maybe [Mike] Chioda and he�s like, �cover him, cover him!�. He
was so excited that it worked.�
Orton still has a LOT of faults. But it's kinda easy to see why they'd give him this match.
Hell...an RKO out of the F5 would be a really good hope spot for Randy before Brock picks up the win.
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posted on 7-8-2016 at 06:45 PM
WWE put out another survey on potential WWE Network Shows
quote:
* Ask Me Anything Live � Live, interactive Q&A; with WWE talents.
* Everyone Has A Price � Reality series scouring the country for the most memorable WWE memorabilia, the origin of the items and determining their
price.
* Extreme Eats � Tommy Dreamer and Bubba Ray Dudley tour the United States to show off their favorite food locations, sample odd and strange food
combinations and take part in eating challenges.
* 50 States, 50 Dates � a �WWE bachelor� goes on 50 dates to find romance. This would be a reality show about finding true love while also living your
life on the road as a WWE talent.
* Goldberg�s Garage � Reality show about Goldberg, his wife and their mechanics restoring American muscle cars at their North Carolina garage.
* History of WWE � 10 Part documentary series taking fans from the beginning of WWE through the launch of the Network.
* Legends House: Attitude � A sequel to the initial WWE Network series, placing 1990s legends together under one roof.
* Miz & Mrs. � A reality series following Miz and Maryse.
* Talking Summerslam � A Post-PPV Talk Show (think �Talking Dead�)
* Tapout Fitness � WWE stars share their training tips.
* The Third Wheel � Two WWE Fans go on a blind date without knowing they are going to be joined by a WWE star.
* Totally NXT � A reality/competition series as six women try to make their way through the developmental system for a chance at a main roster slot
and a Total Divas cast membership.
* The Wives of Flair � Documentary series on the love life of Ric Flair and his four ex-wives.
* WWE All Access � Reality series following main eventers as they prepare for Wrestlemania/Summerslam level major matches.
* WWE Game Night � WWE stars face celebrities in games outside the ring (listed were dodge ball, obstacle courses, Pictionary)
* WWE Investigates � Each segment would be a 3-5 episode mini-series going deep into a real subject in the history of pro wrestling. The life & legacy
of Eddie Guerrero was suggested as a sample mini-series.
* WWE Goes Viral � Best WWE viral videos including ones submitted by fans.
* WWE Kids! � Kids interview WWE stars, compete against them in games and call the action for in-ring action.
* WWE Promo Battle � WWE Talents go head to head in �improv wars� in a tournament style setting where the audience and social media as well as a panel
of judges determine who moves forward until they crown a promo battle champion.
* WWE Roast � John Cena would be roasted in a no holds barred tribute.
* WWE Superstars Search � Hosted by Lita & Trish Stratus, a competition reality series with 10 women competing for a WWE contract.
I would gladly pay double for the WWE Network for The Wives of Flair. That would be a trainwreck of epic proportions that would be well worth the
network subscription price alone.
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posted on 7-8-2016 at 07:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
I'll never get tired of watching that spot. That was executed perfectly, and I'd never seen a spot like that before. That was a bonafide
holy shit moment and the only thing that eclipsed it that evening was the other holy shit of Rollins coming in later to win the title.
Still.... Randy vs Brock as it stands isn't really the match I want to see Brock in. However, the more I think about it, the more I think that
regardless of how the match is built up, it won't matter - I do think these two are capable of a really good match together. It will remain to
be seen if that will actually happen, but I won't automatically be negative about it.
