punkerhardcore
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The problem with Brock/Ambrose was that it just ended up being a match without any huge defining moment for Ambrose. It should have had a Bret/Austin
ending.
Really, that match should've been Hell in a Cell instead. Imagine Ambrose doing that elbow from the top instead of Shane. It would've
been the moment in the match where he gambled and lost, but it could have really cemented the whole Lunatic Fringe thing, and been part of video
packages for the rest of his career.
Nothing against Shane, who never fails to amaze... but how many more matches does he even have left in his life? Probably few to none.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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merc
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quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Except that Ric always lost a couple of times to start to show he could actually be beat. Everyone jobs to Charlotte constantly like they are goobers.
Having Charlotte win every single time the same way kills interest fast. Constantly jobbing out her opponents give people no reason to care.
Also, they already had a great face built. Becky Lynch. They always yap about creating "Wrestlemania moments", and and they absolutely missed one
that was right in front of their face. Becky Lynch finally winning a title after being over shadowed by Sasha and Charlotte since their time in NXT.
Nope, WWE had to job her out again for the 721st time while protecting Sasha.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by royberto]
Flair held his belts for +1 year until the Russo era of booking champions took hold in the WWF/WWE Monday night wars. I'm pretty sure any NWA
Heavyweight title reign was more than a year. A couple of exceptions being the NWA title changes in PR & Japan which were ignored by US TV. IIRC
His first WCW Title reign he held 91 - 95 (with two abandonments) to go north.
I think the old NWA heel champion being chased is more fun, than a face champ. But you are right they have to mix up the method of win. But chasing
for 2-3 months isn't being buried or jobbed out, hell Dusty chased Flair for almost a decade.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by merc]
They are called "letters" when put together they make "words". Words make moving photos unnecessary.
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lz4005
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Crazy evil hotness.
I know, I'm weird.
Why is everyone saying it's weird they to want to give Steph a good rogering?
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DKBroiler
SpeciASSl CUMedian
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You guys take wins and losses way too damned seriously. Becky just lost to a 6 foot tall Amazon woman who can do a top rope backflip. Calm down.
Like it or not Charlotte is the future of Woman's wrestling and getting her a signature win was way more important in the grand scheme of
things.
God damn, I'm tired of people expecting underdogs to win all the time. They are underdogs. Not everyone is Daniel Bryan.
Get off my lawn.
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salmonjunkie
Best There Is Was or Ever Will Be 
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quote:
Originally posted by merc
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Except that Ric always lost a couple of times to start to show he could actually be beat. Everyone jobs to Charlotte constantly like they are goobers.
Having Charlotte win every single time the same way kills interest fast. Constantly jobbing out her opponents give people no reason to care.
Also, they already had a great face built. Becky Lynch. They always yap about creating "Wrestlemania moments", and and they absolutely missed one
that was right in front of their face. Becky Lynch finally winning a title after being over shadowed by Sasha and Charlotte since their time in NXT.
Nope, WWE had to job her out again for the 721st time while protecting Sasha.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by royberto]
Flair held his belts for +1 year until the Russo era of booking champions took hold in the WWF/WWE Monday night wars. I'm pretty sure any NWA
Heavyweight title reign was more than a year. A couple of exceptions being the NWA title changes in PR & Japan which were ignored by US TV. IIRC
His first WCW Title reign he held 91 - 95 (with two abandonments) to go north.
I think the old NWA heel champion being chased is more fun, than a face champ. But you are right they have to mix up the method of win. But chasing
for 2-3 months isn't being buried or jobbed out, hell Dusty chased Flair for almost a decade.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by merc]
The crowd is so hot for Sasha right now, so if it wasn't going to be last night, it should be the next PPV, and it should definitely be her
right now and not Becky. I'd say Sasha beats Charlotte their next PPV match (it could be a one-on-one or a triple threat rematch). Becky goes
many months without winning the championship. Eventually, she beats Sasha in a great respect feud - maybe that is next year's WrestleMania
(although, I'd go SummerSlam, with Bayley becoming champ at WM33). I really do think Becky is better served with the long game.
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salmonjunkie
Best There Is Was or Ever Will Be
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quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You guys take wins and losses way too damned seriously.
I think someone here mentioned they didn't watch the event yet and just read the results and decided to form their opinion on that? Really?
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ulsterphil
And I am AWESOME
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quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Crazy evil hotness.
I know, I'm weird.
Why is everyone saying it's weird they to want to give Steph a good rogering?
Because its not all that common to want to fuck a woman that could press slam you in the bedroom?
Id give her one, like. Two if she asked nicely.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by ulsterphil]
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TomS
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Well I enjoyed that show. The street fight was disappointing - they made a big deal of Foley and Funk gifting their weapons - and he didn't get
to use either. Parp.
The Rock segment was meh. "You've got the skills, the charisma, the talent... To job out to a guy who retired a decade ago"
And the main event was... the main event. It was probably a fine match but I was flagging seriously by that point so I just had glassy eyes most of
the way through.
Still though. The ladder match, the New Day intro, the WOMEN'S Championship. I do love Becky more than a little bit.
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lz4005
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by TomS
Well I enjoyed that show. The street fight was disappointing - they made a big deal of Foley and Funk gifting their weapons - and he didn't get
to use either. Parp.
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And the main event was... the main event. It was probably a fine match but I was flagging seriously by that point so I just had glassy eyes most of
the way through.
At least he had the bat with him. Finn Balor stole the chain saw and used it during his entrance at Takeover on Friday night. (seriously...why?)
The ME was better than decent in-ring physicality if you ignore the ass backwards heel/face dynamic and what the outcome will mean in terms of story
lines in the near future.
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Matte
"Family Man" 
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Kalisto over Ryback. Didn't matter to me, so that's fine.
It was cool to see the Usos get those boos.
The crowd popped a bit for Eva's leg scissors before remembering it was Eva and reverting back to boos. Bryan taught Brie a cool transition into
the Yes Lock. I liked that.
Zack Ryder winning the IC title is the shock of the night. I can't help but think his reign will be very short-lived.
I don't understand Jericho going over Styles. I guess it's that "non-WWE guy" mentality, where they have to take a big and sometimes
stupid loss before moving onto better things. Sting/HHH is another example.
The League of Nations going over New Day was disappointing. The League is just incredibly boring, and it's obvious that their reason for being
together in the first place is because they're boring and creative has nothing for them. Unlike Jericho/Styles, however, I understand this one.
The League needs something to make them look legitimate and this was it. I guess. Also, Big E's thick neck may have saved his life.
Charlotte winning via Ric for the millionth time was stupid. I didn't want to see her retain, but it would've been ok if they came up with
a different ending than the one they've been using for the past year. We discussed this in chat after it happened, and apparently repeating the
same finish ad nauseum is "wrestling 101."
Ambrose/Lesnar was alright. It's about what we all expected. Suplexes, some weapons, an F-5. Ambrose came out of it looking fine.
Shane nonchalantly kicking out of a Last Ride and a Chokeslam on the steps seemed a little odd. They definitely made him look tough. The spot that we
all expected and were given was fantastic and actually pretty nerve-racking as he was preparing to jump. No interference, no shocking twists, just a
plain ending. I feel like this story isn't over.
Baron Corbin wins the Andre match. I don't hate it, even though I almost hate Baron Corbin. Good debut spot for him and I'm interested to
see where he goes from here.
The main event got the reaction we all knew it would. It was decent for what it was, but not caring about either competitor didn't pull me into
it. Roman wins and gets his Mania moment, so maybe now they can move on from it and try out some new things?
EDIT: And of course the "old-timers beating up current guys" Mania moments happened. They were what they were, I guess there's no real harm to
it.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by Matte]
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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Sam Is Neat
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quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by TomS
Well I enjoyed that show. The street fight was disappointing - they made a big deal of Foley and Funk gifting their weapons - and he didn't get
to use either. Parp.
....
And the main event was... the main event. It was probably a fine match but I was flagging seriously by that point so I just had glassy eyes most of
the way through.
At least he had the bat with him. Finn Balor stole the chain saw and used it during his entrance at Takeover on Friday night. (seriously...why?)
The ME was better than decent in-ring physicality if you ignore the ass backwards heel/face dynamic and what the outcome will mean in terms of story
lines in the near future.
I think the Finn Balor/Chainsaw reference in his intro was an homage to Texas Chainsaw Massacre since they were in Dallas, and he also had the
familiar apron that the guy wears in Chainsaw Massacre.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by Sam Is Neat]
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vonLampertheim
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quote:
Originally posted by ulsterphil
I had to google Baron Corbin because i dont watch NXT and from the look of him hes one Bad Vince Day away from being made Adam Rose's big
retarded brother.
One to watch in '16
Baron Corbin 2017: Because the bunny costume won't wear itself.
[Edited on 4-4-16 by vonLampertheim]
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Slade
The Great One
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Wrestlemania 32 was awesome. I loved it. But I'm saying that as someone who was there and who had bitchin' seats on the floor. Really my
only complaints have to do with the gates opening an hour after they were supposed to be opened and a shit ton of confusion for how to get to the
floor and how the fans seated around me ruin the main event for me. Everyone was being directed to one place, and they were directing us to another
and it was bottled necked. This explains why the arena looked so empty, including ringside, for the opening matches. I watched Ryback vs. Kalisto on
TV screens from the concourse while trying to get to the floor. I missed the Divas match while walking at a snail's pace down some weird
concrete corridors. It felt like it took an eternity for us to get to our seats.
It's interesting to hear that the crowd was muted for the broadcast (or at least the main event). The crowd was hot for much of the show. As for
the main event, there were times when it was silent on the floor, but there was chanting coming from different sections of the arena. On the floor, it
was largely anti-Reigns. When the floor was quiet and you hear the noise coming from the cheaper seats, it seemed evenly split with Let's Go
Roman / Roman Sucks chants. Not everyone hates him. I saw plenty of people with Reigns merchandise and one guy who ever dressed up in costume like
him. He definitely has a fan base. Really, most of the hate was coming from 30-something white males. That's what I observed.
And yes, during the second half of the main event, there were chants for NXT, Nakamura, Bayley and Sami Zayn originating from my section and the one
near it. It annoyed the fuck out of me. It made it difficult for me to keep my attention on the match. If there is one match that I need to watch on
tape, it is that one. I get the sense that they were working hard to entertain, but a lot of the fans on the floor had decided to shit on it. Some of
these fans were so bad that they turned on people - like me - who didn't fall in line and who dared to cheer for Roman Reigns. My friend and I
cheered for him more so out of disdain for the fans going into business for themselves than anything else, but by doing so we were verbally abused.
That wasn't particularly pleasant and so now I really hold these anti-Reigns-NXT-can-do-no-wrong-fan-boys in a negative view. It is one thing to
voice your opinion, but it is another to make people who don't hold the same opinion feel unwelcome and get into verbal scraps with people just
because they don't agree with you.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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S Kid J E T S 48
The Immortal One 
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Always forget it's 20x harder after Mania to come back here after a day and catch up. Glad there's been interest in this. Some point hope
to catch up on the 5 pages before this last one but....anywho...
quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You guys take wins and losses way too damned seriously.
I think someone here mentioned they didn't watch the event yet and just read the results and decided to form their opinion on that? Really?
1) Heart you, DK.
2) RE: sal - The opinion from read results thing always bothered me too, not because theoretically you can't come up with one from what's
written, but in the almost 10 years I've been here, I think I've seen one take based on something just read about which was actually
followed with something positive...so...it kinda becomes dust in the wind to me because it generally ends the same.
Similarly, worst one I'm seeing today are some people on Twitter yelling about the card and saying "I'm not looking forward to
downloading this online later." Um...why do you think WWE cares about your opinion when you don't spend money on their product? lol
quote:
Originally posted by Matte
The League of Nations going over New Day was disappointing. The League is just incredibly boring, and it's obvious that their reason for being
together in the first place is because they're boring and creative has nothing for them. Unlike Jericho/Styles, however, I understand this one.
The League needs something to make them look legitimate and this was it. I guess. Also, Big E's thick neck may have saved his life.
Jeez, I forgot about that. Until the Shane spot, that's the thing that really scared the hell out of me as it was happening and you knew it
going into the run that it's all about his momentum keeping him horizontal and with 3 guys there, he was heading straight down. Think
it's about time he retire that move...although that's about the 8th time I've said that...so how about only at Wrestlemanias?
quote:
Charlotte winning via Ric for the millionth time was stupid. I didn't want to see her retain, but it would've been ok if they came up with
a different ending than the one they've been using for the past year. We discussed this in chat after it happened, and apparently repeating the
same finish ad nauseum is "wrestling 101."
Yeah, the more I think about the match - which was excellent, no doubt - this part of it bothers me. It's exactly this. They've built up
that spot 100x *already*...Wrestlemania is where you pay off what you've built.
Like a few weeks ago when I thought The New Day might lose to Y2AJ [RIP]. TND or Cole mentioned how many days they were champion and we were
conditioned to think that means they're losing it (they didn't, but you get it).
Perfectly fine with Charlotte winning, but you have Snoop Dogg there to stop the interference...so if you're going with that plot line, you
gotta go the Sasha winning way. Otherwise let her start building to being the Dirtiest Woman In The Game or something. Too much recycling.
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Shane nonchalantly kicking out of a Last Ride and a Chokeslam on the steps seemed a little odd. They definitely made him look tough. The spot that we
all expected and were given was fantastic and actually pretty nerve-racking as he was preparing to jump. No interference, no shocking twists, just a
plain ending. I feel like this story isn't over.
I really enjoyed this match, even looking back at its faults...though it wasn't even the two examples you give that are the Shane kick outs I
didn't like the most - it was actually getting out of The Hell's Gate...which is one of the most protected moves ever. Yes, it's
been broken, but basically only at Mania by all-time wrestlers, or by Brock Lesnar...who is Brock Lesnar. And not only did Shane break it, he
reversed it into a pretty crappy Sharpshooter...which I am so tired of being anywhere near the McMahons. It's one thing if Cole had beaten into
the ground that the Muy Thai training allowed him to do this (and if he did, I apologize, though I'd probably remember it), but Shane McMahon
getting out of that straight up? Sorry...that's something that should have been avoided.
I have no idea where they go from here with this...but like Matte said...feel like it's not over. You know Vince McMahon is going to come out
tonight bombastic and showing off...and any time that happens, they usually have some counter ready. Guess we'll see what it is. Oh yeah,
remember the mystery lock box? Ha.
--
One random nothing thought - on Rick's Reigns narrative on the front page-
I feel like we can say a lot about Roman Reigns that's true despite what WWE wants, but "least relevant Champion?" If we're talking
about audio tricks today, we're talking about people reacting to him a ton [negatively, but still]...and he's basically 90% of all
conversation that happens here and among hardcore wrestling fans. And SHEAMUS has been champion within the last few months....SHEAMUS!
P.S. Zack Ryder = IC Champion. Still. Holy. Shit.
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BBMN
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quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
I really enjoyed this match, even looking back at its faults...though it wasn't even the two examples you give that are the Shane kick outs I
didn't like the most - it was actually getting out of The Hell's Gate...which is one of the most protected moves ever.
This is true. Somehow Shane, who isn't even a wrestler, and only wrestles once every few years, is probably the most over-powered guy on the
roster. It's like he's an unlockable boss character from a game. Pretty silly.
I only watch WM these days, and maybe a handful of matches over the course of the year. WM is always fun and I don't want to be Debbie Downer,
but there was one huge error in this year's show - Match order.
Shane vs Taker should've been the final match of the night. Given how hostile/indifferent the crowd seems to be towards Roman, and given the
spectacle of what was set to happen with Shane, they should've flipped these two matches. But it's the World Title, BBMN?! I know, but you
know what's bigger than that? The company as a whole, which is what Shane was fighting for. Plus Taker is the cornerstone of Mania at this
point.
This would've effectively put a freakshow fight as the main, and I'm cool with that given how the crowd reacts to Roman. Plus, even if he
was wildly over, I would still want the matches flipped. How the hell can you follow Shane trying to murder himself? You can't really.
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Quentil
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I enjoyed most of the show. Random thoughts to follow:
1) It was too long. By the time they got to the main event, my friends and I didn't give a shit. HHH/Reigns wasn't even a bad match.
It was just too obvious how it was going to end and the crowd shit all over it and it was like 6hrs into the damned show. So meh.
2) Triple threat women's match was good. Would have preferred to not have the Ric Flair involvement in the finish, though.
3) IC Ladder match was the match I enjoyed most of the show. 'Nuff said.
4) Ambrose/Brock was good, but seemed a tad bit hmm, i dunno. Out of sync maybe?
5) HBK/Austin/Foley was fun as all hell. Unexpected and perhaps a bit cheesy, but who cares? It was tons of good times.
6) the Andre the Giant thing I kind of zoned out during. It was funny to see Shaq, and cool to see DDP.
7) The show was too long.
8) The show was too long.
9) Not sure why Jericho went over Styles, but it doesn't really matter. It was an okay match, although it was the fourth or fifth time by now
in a few months...So eh. Whatever, still enjoyed it.
10) Rock and Cena did rather little for me, to be honest. I mean, it was cool, but not nearly as fun as the Foley/HBK/Austin thing.
11) Shane McMahon is insane. God bless him.
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merc
Showstopper
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quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Baron Corbin wins the Andre match. I don't hate it, even though I almost hate Baron Corbin. Good debut spot for him and I'm interested to
see where he goes from here.
[Edited on 4-4-2016 by Matte]
Matte,
I don't know Corbin at all. What's to almost hate about him?
They are called "letters" when put together they make "words". Words make moving photos unnecessary.
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TomS
Showstopper
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| posted on 4-6-2016 at 04:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
At least he had the bat with him. Finn Balor stole the chain saw and used it during his entrance at Takeover on Friday night. (seriously...why?)
He had the chainsaw too. Got it out from under the ring. Tried to start it once, failed, got suplexed for his troubles and it was never seen again.
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