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Author: Subject: PPV DISCUSSION: WWE Payback 2016
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WWE Payback 2016 Predictions/Discussion

With the PPV just under 24 hours away, I figured I'd go ahead and get a thread up and running. Reigns/AJ has me about a hundred times more intrigued than Reigns/Triple H at WrestleMania did and most of the undercard matches have the potential to deliver, so color me mildly psyched for Payback. My picks:

Roman Reigns vs AJ Styles: First things first, there's no way in fuck that Reigns is dropping the belt (nor should he, as for better or worse, he needs to carry it for a while after his previous five-minute and one-month world title reigns). So the fun here is seeing who possibly goes heel and what kind of shenanigans we get from Gallows/Anderson. While any number of things could happen, I'm going to say that AJ loses after interference from Gallows/Anderson backfires and costs him the match. And on a sidenote: even though AJ has been in the WWE for three months now, it's still pretty surreal that he's main-eventing a WWE PPV for the world title.

Chris Jericho vs Dean Ambrose: It's interesting that there's really not a clear number two match on the show, but I guess this could be considered the second-biggest match up of the night (though you could also arguably insert Owens/Zayn in that spot as well). I like that Jericho has been portrayed more strongly during his latest WWE run and not being used to only put over younger talent like usual. And let's face it, Ambrose really needs a big PPV win, so him going over Jericho should suffice nicely.

Kevin Owens vs Sami Zayn: This could go either way, but I'm predicting Zayn to win by count-out after Owens walks out on the match (which could then lead to a steel cage match or some other stipulation at the next PPV). I really don't care who wins though as long as we get a kickass match from these two.

The Miz vs Cesaro: The Miz has been getting a pretty good push post-WrestleMania, so I don't see him dropping the belt here, even if Cesaro does have the "recently returned babyface" momentum on his side. I'll go with Cesaro winning by DQ after Maryse gets involved.

Enzo/Big Cass vs The Vaudevillains: This one is kind of interesting, as both teams have been getting pushed nicely since coming to the main roster and both are undefeated. And while Enzo/Cass vs New Day could be epic on the mic, I don't think the WWE is going to pull the trigger on that just yet, so I predict the heels to win and go on to face New Day.

Charlotte vs Natayla: You would think that Bret Hart would be the equalizer, but I just can't see Charlotte's reign ending at the hands of Natalya. I'm going with the women's champ to retain and hopefully Flair doesn't advise anyone to kill themselves during the match.

Dolph Ziggler vs Baron Corbin: Poor Ziggler, being relegated to jobbing to the NXT call-ups at this point in his career. Corbin wins.

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Thanks, goon, for being more vigilant than I in getting this thread going...

And also, a giant second to what he said about the Reigns/Styles title match. There's no real drama, with regards to Styles becoming WWE Champion, but this is still an order of magnitude more engrossing than Reigns/HHH was a month ago, simply because I do not believe there is ANY chance of Reigns doing the "superhero babyface who wins and gets booed for it" act.

SOMEthing has got to give, in terms of faction formation, heel/face realignment, and/or screwy/interesting finishes. And considering there are about a billion different ways to combine those factors, I really have no idea where they're gonna go tomorrow night, and I loves me the ambiguity and uncertainty. Ultimately, we all watch wrestling because we want to find out what happens next, and this time, we don't already know.

Both Ambrose/Jericho and Zayn/Owens should be awesome, too, but I expect former to out-shine the latter, simply because this is likely Jericho's last hurrah before going back on hiatus, and so we'll get some finality there. Zayn/Owens has AT LEAST one more chapter, and might even have legs to SummerSlam, so I could easily see them doing the Owens-gets-counted-out-thing.

Two additional things to keep in mind:

Kalisto vs. Ryback. It's the preshow match, and even though it's still not on the main PPV, at least the arena won't be 80% empty when it takes place, so it would be a MUCH more valid place to do a title change, without it feeling cheap.

Vince declares who controls RAW. Yeah, so this is sooooooo fucking stupid, given the entire build-up to WM32. We are now just pretending that whole thing never happened. But at the same time: of all WWE's stupid, lazy storytelling, this is one I won't bitch too hard about. We got a month of Shane genuinely shaking things up, and it made more sense if HE did it, than if the Authority/Vince did it. And now that Shane did it, and it's working, there's at least SOME sense to believe Vince might see value in that, and so the Total Do-over has some traction, in terms of Vince keeping Shane around somehow (brand split?), and/or giving an ultimatum to HHH/Steph ("Now YOU have one month of controlling RAW, to show me what you can do, and we'll re-assemble in one month -- on the same RAW where John Cena returns -- to have the Ultimate Decision of Controlership!!!!").

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Just a question, as I haven't watched Raw in quite some time.... (I'm reliant on the network, which is a month behind)...

How is the reaction for Gallows? Has he had any single matches yet?

One of the ways I think the WWE dropped the ball with some guys like Tensai or Ryback is that they didn't acknowledge the crowd chants. Different cases for sure; Ryback getting the Goldberg chants was probably a hard one to counteract (and I've been watching 2012 Raw repeats, and holy shit was Ryback over for a bit there...)... and Tensai... well, it was probably a shitty gimmick to start with, but they took far too long to acknowledge the Albert stuff.

So given that Gallows had a crap limiting gimmick like Festus I was kind of curious to see how the rank and file would react to him.

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simply because I do not believe there is ANY chance of Reigns doing the "superhero babyface who wins and gets booed for it" act.


I really, really want to believe that this is where Reigns goes heel, but I just can't make that leap of faith. I would love to be wrong about that though and would probably mark out for a Reigns heel turn. Hell, it basically writes itself: have Reigns turn heel and align either with Gallows/Anderson or the Usos (either is fine) and let AJ chase the title throughout the summer, and then do Reigns/Cena for the title at SummerSlam. Everyone else's mileage may vary on that, but I think evil heel Reigns vs Cena at SummerSlam could be pretty great.

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SOMEthing has got to give, in terms of faction formation, heel/face realignment, and/or screwy/interesting finishes. And considering there are about a billion different ways to combine those factors, I really have no idea where they're gonna go tomorrow night, and I loves me the ambiguity and uncertainty. Ultimately, we all watch wrestling because we want to find out what happens next, and this time, we don't already know.


That sums up why I'm looking forward to Reigns/AJ, because in addition to presumably being a great match, it's been a while since we've had a match like this where there are three or four possible outcomes that are all equally plausible. I'm not tuning into the PPV in hopes that AJ is winning the WWE title, I'm tuning in to see what exactly is going to happen.


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Just a question, as I haven't watched Raw in quite some time.... (I'm reliant on the network, which is a month behind)...

How is the reaction for Gallows? Has he had any single matches yet?


Gallows and Anderson have had one match against the Usos (on RAW) but that's it. I think there might have been a mention by the commentary team at some point about Gallows previously being in WWE, but otherwise, there haven't been any "Festus" chants or anything like that from the crowd. If anything, it seems the live crowds just sees them as newcomers to the WWE who are AJ Styles' buddies from Japan and that's how they've been portrayed thus far on TV.

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It'd be hilarious if Roman went full heel just to get paired up against Cena and start getting cheered because of it.
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Thanks for answering my question Goon.

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It'd be hilarious if Roman went full heel just to get paired up against Cena and start getting cheered because of it.


Much like how the WM HHH-Reigns as a bit must see because of how the crowd reaction would go (before we knew their secret plan of wearing us down with a 16 hour show); the crowd reactions between Cena and Reigns is going to be one of the more interesting aspects of that inevitable show down.

Honestly; between Cena being away, having elevated his game the last few years, and not being the highest ranking face of what most people "hate" about the WWE right now (that would be the guy on the other side of the ring) I kind of think that if this is the Summer Slam main event then Cena might get more love than he's used to. If they did this right, this would be a pretty kick ass main event.

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Ryback vs. Kalisto (US Title) Kind of a bummer to see the sharp decline in prominence for the US Title ever since Cena lost it. I don't normally pay too much attention to pre-show matches seeing as how nothing of importance ever really occurs during them, but maybe they might change that tonight. I'm going with Ryback here, because somehow he's managed to find himself in the middle of a program where he's the interesting one for once. Plus he's put in his work over the years, and while he might not be everyone's cup of tea, I think he's overdue for a run with one of the secondary titles. Just make sure YOU ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH HIM AND THE TITLE MONKEYS!

Charlotte vs. Natalya (Women's Title) Okay, they've renamed the division, so would it be too much to ask for them to start using last names for all of their women? Or is that pushing it? Regardless, I don't see Charlotte losing this one. It took me a while to accept that Nattie was her first challenger for the newly minted Women's Title, but I see it more now as a formal reintegration of the non-"Diva's Revolution" members of the roster back into the title picture. I cringe at the thought of any physicality occurring between Ric and Bret, but in the end I think a pair of Flairs trumps the power of glower. Charlotte retains.

Cesaro vs. The Miz (Intercontinental Title) I'm glad a lot of people are enjoying The Miz's schtick right now, because honestly he's been giving 110% with the dreck that he's been fed for a while now. A lot of folks seem to think that Sandow got himself over during his run as Miz's stunt double, but I think Miz had just as much a hand in that but never got the props. Bottom line: I somehow like The Miz now (!) and the addition of Maryse has been a welcome one. HOWEVER, I think tonights the night for Cesaro to shine with an IC Title win. He has to win, honestly, because for as bulletproof as Miz seems to be, I don't think Cesaro can sustain a loss tonight without it casting a pallor on his return and his legitimacy in the eyes of casual fans. Cesaro needs this more than Miz does, and I hope he gets it in front of an appreciative Chicago crowd.

Enzo Amore & Colin Cassaday (fuck you Bukkky) vs. The Vaudevillains (#1 Contenders Match for the Tag Team Titles) Color me pleasantly surprised with the handling of English & Gotch since arriving on the main roster. When I saw they were premiering on Smackdown as opposed to Raw after Wrestlemania, I initially considered that a kiss of death. Much like Cesaro, though, The Vaudevillains need this win more than Enzo & Cass do. If E&C2.0; have proven anything in NXT it's that they thrive as underdogs, and could easily absorb a loss. Especially if it's at the hands of The Dudley Boyz interfering and continuing their feud leading into Summerslam where you can slot them bag in to the Title scene.Don't sleep on The Vaudevillains, though. They could end up surprising a lot of naysayers in a program against The New Day, and that's precisely what I want to see.

Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn This one is a toss-up, really. The only thing that can be guaranteed here is that these two will put on a hell of a show for however long they're allowed to. I agree that something wonky is bound to happen with KO purposely getting himself counted out or DQ'd, and giving Sami Zayn a tainted victory. Once again though, I hope they find a way to leave things between these two unsettled while simultaneously spinning them off into separate programs so they don't wear out the rivalry. This needs to be done in fits and starts with a longterm payoff in mind. Personally, I want Owens vs. Zayn one-on-one for a Title at Wrestlemania 33, but as they say "your mileage may vary."

Dolph Ziggler vs. Baron Corbin This one really is a no-brainer, isn't it? So much so that I'm going to go COMPLETELY against my better judgement and call it for Ziggler via a surprise roll-up becausewritermonkeys. After all, none of the NXT call-ups have been cut off at the knees yet, so who better to do it to than the one that seems to be the sure-thing leading into his match? That's how you build drama (poorly)!

Chris Jericho vs. Dean Ambrose Hopefully this is where they finally decide to do right by Dean. His match against Lesnar was easily the biggest letdown for me at Wrestlemania, through no fall of his own or Brock's, it just seems as if the match was neutered to save all of the shock and awe for Shane/Taker, and to make room for Dwayne to play with his flamethrower AND bury The Wyatt Family. I've enjoyed the fact that in recent weeks he's been able to play serious a little more on the mic, ratcheting up his intensity and downplaying the wackier aspects of his character that have been foisted upon him by Vince & Co. and Jericho has been knocking it out of the park since his heel turn. I wish they'd bring up the fact that the seeds were sown for this rivalry back when Jericho was Dean and Roman's surprise tag partner and cost them their match back at Night of Champions, but that was 8 months ago which means it might as well have happened when Sammartino was still champ. I have to imagine that Jericho is due for another hiatus, which is a shame since he's finally hitting his stride again, but hopefully he's sent off on it with a decisive beatdown courtesy of Dean Ambrose.

AJ Styles vs. BROCKTOON (World Title) Yeah, there's pretty much NO chance that AJ's leaving with the belt tonight. I can accept that. Like goon said, you don't have BROCKTOON drop the belt this soon after two lackluster flash-in-the-pan title-runs earlier this year/late last year. SOMETHING is bound to happen, and it's going to involve Anderson & Gallows and it's probably going to be a swerve, and it's going to be one that doesn't work in AJ's favor. A lot of people are expecting Finn B�lor to make his debut on the main roster tonight, which I'm more than fine with, but I'd like to see something crazy happen. Like Seth Rollins being revealed to be the guy pulling Anderson & Gallows' strings. Probably won't happen, but I'm a passionate wrestling fan who has to set unrealistic expectations so that I can't possibly enjoy the product. Oh, and BROCKTOON wins.





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Yeah, if they don't modify project Reigns, WWE might have indirectly made the perfect guy for Cena to beat and match Flair's record to a thunderous pop from the crowd.
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Plus he's put in his work over the years, and while he might not be everyone's cup of tea, I think he's overdue for a run with one of the secondary titles. Just make sure YOU ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH HIM AND THE TITLE MONKEYS!


I see you've already forgotten Ryback was IC Champion just last year.





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Plus he's put in his work over the years, and while he might not be everyone's cup of tea, I think he's overdue for a run with one of the secondary titles. Just make sure YOU ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH HIM AND THE TITLE MONKEYS!


I see you've already forgotten Ryback was IC Champion just last year.


Holy shit, you're right. He was. I had to go and check Wikipedia, partly to confirm and mostly just to see how long he was champion for. Surely it had to be some flash in the pan run, right? Nope. May to September. AND he was the one who Owens beat at Night of Champions last year for his first run as IC champ.

I don't know what that speaks more to, WWE Creatives mishandling of champions; Early onset dimensia on my part; or some heretofore unseen combination of the two.

Well, my last line in that quote still stands. IF he gets the Title they'd better do something with him that's memorable. Dude's got a limited skillset but he has shown that he gets his character a hell of a lot more than the writermonkeys do.





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You know, a Jericho win wouldn't be that out there. He's doing some fine work as a heel and the roster is pretty thin on Main Event heels. Maybe they have Jericho keep gaining more momentum by beating Ambrose and going to challenge Roman?

I honestly wouldn't care that much for a Dean win. Unless it was part of a big plan to rebuild him, it won't erase the months of looking like a schmuck.

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Yeah, if they don't modify project Reigns, WWE might have indirectly made the perfect guy for Cena to beat and match Flair's record to a thunderous pop from the crowd.


Agreed, I think Roman in his current incarnation is one of the few guys on the WWE roster who Cena would actually get cheered over (but I kind of doubt he makes it all the way to SummerSlam without some kind of tweak to his character).

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You know, a Jericho win wouldn't be that out there. He's doing some fine work as a heel and the roster is pretty thin on Main Event heels. Maybe they have Jericho keep gaining more momentum by beating Ambrose and going to challenge Roman?


I would be okay with Jericho getting one last run in the WWE title picture, though that would mean Reigns staying face and getting booed against his heel opponent.

And Ziggler/Corbin has been officially moved to the pre-show. Poor Ziggler.





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On Shane/Steph, while I'm not looking forward to the 27th McMahon power struggle, I really hope it morphs into HHH vs Shane's handpick representative, Seth Rollins.

Although with how little credible Main Event heels they have left, maybe they should just let Rollins come back and resume his heel run.

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Oh my God. Ryback mocking Punk's "Clobberin' Time" gesture in front of the Chicago crowd... Priceless.

ETA: "Pre-Show Stopper"... Did I just become a Ryback fan???

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Ryback trolling Chicago with CM Punk mannerisms during his entrance. God I love the Big Guy.

Also, Ziggler pins Baron Corbin via flash roll-up after Corbin dominates most of the match.

EDIT: and his weight belt. "The Pre-Showstopper". Awesome.

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Ryback trolling Chicago with CM Punk mannerisms during his entrance. God I love the Big Guy.

Also, Ziggler pins Baron Corbin via flash roll-up after Corbin dominates most of the match.

EDIT: and his weight belt. "The Pre-Showstopper". Awesome.

[Edited on 5-1-2016 by Cherokee Jack]


Pre-Show Stopper is kind of awesome. Also, I'm pretty sure Ryback just saved Kalisto's life.





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"It's fun to boo Roman Reigns... I sometimes boo him when I'm alone."
-Jerry Lawler (or a quote to that effect)

Is this now the WWE's plan? "Well if 66 year old Jerry Lawler thinks it's cool, then maybe we all should start cheering Roman."

Man, either I need to start paying more attention, or Ziggler has really changed up his look in the last little while; as watching him come out on the pre-show I had to look twice; between the tights and the dark hair.... mind you I've been re-watching 2012 Raw onward and it's a pretty extreme look change to take in between those two radically contrasting looks.

I like Corbin's tights... almost part dumpster recovery project and part football lace up tights or something.... He looks huge next to Dolph, which I think really helps him in his d�but. He's already looking better than the last time I saw him in NXT, which was early into Balor's run as champ.

Dolph wins!

Actually glad they aren't doing the usual dominant heel run for a while thing they usually do with guys like Corbin... that's boring as shit, so here's hoping they try something new.

Anyway; predictions....

I think a lot of the talk about heel turns and all that is a bit pre-mature... the bigger question IMO is this whole potential return of the brand split... as I think that is going to dictate a lot of decisions.... although just to completely talk myself in circles for as much as the WWE might like to have their John Cena and Reigns as their top faces on each brand; people tuning in because they care and creating a buzz is always better...

*Jericho winning wouldn't be the worst thing... he's still pretty versatile in that you could bump him up for a world title feud, or have Jericho/Ambrose and Zayn/Owens all change dance partners to put some space in their various feuds and keep things going for a while... Either way, Ambrose has a ceiling right now, and that ceiling is Reigns.. a heel turn by Reigns could be a reason to pit those two against one another AND give Jericho reason to gripe as he's beat the last two guys who've then been given title shots instead of him.

*Owens vs Zayn. I'd give it to Owens... Good heels are worth their weight in gold, and I think a guy like Sami is capable of being one cool spot away from being on top. This story they have told as well.... just awesome, and has a chance to be one of those all-time legacy type feuds where 7 years from now the story they started now will still be just as relevant because it's real. Plus, I'm digging the whole Canadian resurgence in the WWE again.... definitely the "anchor" match of the night.

*AJ vs Reigns.... I dunno.... never say never in wrestling, but the super (duper no less) likelihood of Reigns retaining hurts this one a bit. The WWE is in Chicago though, and they do like to make an impression there, but I don't know to what end Styles going over makes sense... so as much as your "new" champ should always get a clean pin in their first title defense if you are running with them, maybe this is a good schmoz ending spot where you get a little bit of a factional warfare to close out the show.

*The rest? It's a three match card I think, but the rest of the stuff that's there isn't terrible either... Ryback vs Kalisto is just doing intro's now and it's actually kind of cool to see Ryback try and exhibit some personality... I think you probably stick with Kalisto though, as having an Owens or Jericho snake the title off of him on a Raw or SD instantly elevates any feud they are going into.

Can't see Charlotte losing, but if they give them 10 minutes that don't figure on a bitter old man chasing around a feeble old man taking up 8 of those minutes, then I think Nattie and Charlotte could be pretty entertaining.

Gonna go opposite here from the US title match, and figure on Cesaro winning the IC.... it will pop huge in Chicago, and a face Cesaro with the IC gives the fans someone to really get behind.

Overall I think this has a lot of potential to be a very solid show... not necessarily one of their super cards, but the kind that quietly sneaks up on you as it's a bit more free from some of the pressure on a show like WM, and delivers some goodness.

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Oh my God. Ryback mocking Punk's "Clobberin' Time" gesture in front of the Chicago crowd... Priceless.

ETA: "Pre-Show Stopper"... Did I just become a Ryback fan???
Join us! I've always said that while his in-ring work on his best day probably tops out at "adequate," there is undeniably fun and goofy charisma around the big lug. He doesn't need to ever be in the world title picture again, but as a midcarder (face or heel) is just fine.





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Enzo's really fucking hurt. I'm so fucking sad right now.
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posted on 5-2-2016 at 01:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Shit. Enzo's legit hurt.





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posted on 5-2-2016 at 01:19 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Enzo still not moving has me really mortified at Gotcha grabbing him by the head neck and trying to pull him up. Ugh.





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posted on 5-2-2016 at 01:19 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Poor guy. I was about to post about the poopie emoticon on his trunks and then that. Hope he's ok.





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posted on 5-2-2016 at 01:19 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Did he fucking move? His eyes were open, but nobody was home in there. I really fucking hope he's okay.
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posted on 5-2-2016 at 01:20 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Holy shit, I'm having flashbacks to Perro Aguayo Jr last year. Please be okay, Enzo.





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