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posted on 7-26-2016 at 04:33 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
As somebody said, the roster is so damn good that with a little basic booking you're guaranteed a great show.

Do a proper pair up of Reigns, Zayn, Owens, Rusev, Jericho, and/or Cesaro to provide two more supporting singles matches. The women keep kicking ass and some real oppisition for New Day and RAW easily carries it's share of SummerSlam.

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posted on 7-26-2016 at 04:39 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Honestly, just a damn incredible RAW all around. That Sasha/Charlotte match just owned me totally. That finish, with Charlotte yelling "You'll never beat me ever!" and then immediately getting nailed and tapping out was so great. The insane dives, the crowd being all the way into it. The Eddie Guerrero tribute. The women had the match of the night on a show packed with great matches.

Both fatal four-ways were good, with the first being damn, damn fine especially. The main event was really damn good. Oddly, I felt pretty confident Finn was going over - I don't know why, it just felt like it was that kind of night, trying to do the new era thing and all. Not sure what they do with Roman now, if they're going to keep him face. Rusev?

Speaking of Rusev, the first match was a good reminder that he is awfully damn good in his own right and should be busting fools for a while. Cesaro? Roman? DARREN YOUNG?!?

I don't mind Strowman in a squash - the interview with the jobber beforehand made it extra fun.

Nia Jax - yeah, not so much.

Neville looked both in great condition and super-crisp. The facial hair also makes him more badass LotR elf than Keebler elf. An obvious contender for first new Cruiserweight champion.

Honestly, it was a really great show. It kept my interest and I didn't really fast forward through anything on the actual show, cause even the somewhat boring bits (Nia, Braun, Goldust/Truth) were short. Good pacing.

Oh, and I'd be remiss without adding the announcing was a massive improvement because JBL is the worrrrrrrrrrrrrrst. Sadly, still have to deal with him on Smackdown. *grumble* But Corey did fine, fit in seamlessly and it was a good night.





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 04:51 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
[Begin rant]
As a west coast viewer, I hate coming into this thread and reading timeless, context-rich posts like ...

"Wow"
"That was unexpected"
"Ouch! That had to hurt"
Etc etc etc

Things that work in a live chat environment but have zero relevance to anyone who is not-in-the-moment.

Maybe a little context if that's not too hard and you weren't in some sort of competition to post that sentence first or the fastest?

[/end rant]


I am seeing Nia Jax for the first time ever. My name for her is "Big Bitch", but I feel like I/we have used that name on someone before.... Not Reigns. A female wrestler. Kong? Beth Phoenix? My imagination?



Edit: Roman with a man bun in the opening segment. Stop giving us reasons to dislike you. Just stop it.

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posted on 7-26-2016 at 04:53 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
So, what does Reign's future look like? I dug what he said at the end about respecting Balor, but that's certainly not a heel-y thing to do which is where I thought he should go. What new look could he use that's not the SHIELD chest protector? Unless he's got moobs, he probably needs to ditch the shirt to at least get the chicks and s on his side. Also still think he could use the Usos as a faction. And maybe Joe down the road.

Getting kinda bummed Vince held on to the Roman Ram Jam idea for so long because the dude certainly doesn't deserve the continuing ReBOOOOs hes getting.

ETA: Dearest Tex, Spoiler Alert, but this happened tonight:

If a pic is worth a thousand words, a gif is worth eleventy billion.

ETA2: My recommendation for Nia's new nickname.

ETA3: Oh Christ I'm assuming you read the RAM thread in its entirety and I didn't just fuck you face with too much info. Fuck.

[Edited on 7-26-2016 by janerd75]





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 05:01 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Damn....once you see RAM.....you can't not see it. Nice work, creative people. Nowhere near Trump/Pence v1.0, but put the damn logo in front of people and get their reaction before running with it.





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 05:06 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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I am seeing Nia Jax for the first time ever. My name for her is "Big Bitch", .....


Live-blogging CM Crunk's dad would have been awesome tonight for a comment from him on Nia alone. "Hey, who's that big bitch?", as he reaches into the cooler next to him for another beer. It'd be just like the Shit My Dad Says tv show except funny.





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 05:17 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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ETA: Dearest Tex, Spoiler Alert, but this happened tonight:

If a pic is worth a thousand words, a gif is worth eleventy billion.

ETA3: Oh Christ I'm assuming you read the RAM thread in its entirety and I didn't just fuck you face with too much info. Fuck.




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He who bitches about it is, well, a bitch. But not a Big Bitch. That's Nia





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 05:26 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Echoing what's already been said, pretty damn great RAW. Between the two fatal fourway matches, Charlotte/Sasha, and the main event, that was some quality stuff. And they pulled it off with only half of the WWE roster, so I'm feeling fairly confident about the brand split right now.

Regarding Reigns: I too am wondering what they do with the guy now. I thought that him against Rollins at SummerSlam for the Universal championship (typing that is going to take a little getting used to) would have been the perfect time and place to pull off a double-turn. But that's obviously out the window now, so I dunno. Eating the pinfall both last night and tonight shows he's still in the doghouse for the whole suspension thing, so I guess he's just given a midcard-level match for SummerSlam? Though there are plenty of options for fresh Roman Reigns feuds: Owens, Jericho, Cesaro, Rusev, etc.

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Just a thought, but maybe they can make the ''Universal'' thing work within the framework of Heavyweights and Cruiserweights. Turn the US title into the Hoss's Title, the Cruiserweights do their thing, and the contenders of the Universal Championship are the top dogs who are past their division's Title.

I know that shit like ''The WWE Universe'' proves that WWE can makes us get used to any silly buzzword, but The Universal Championship sounds so corny without any real backstory to it.

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posted on 7-26-2016 at 05:33 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Live-blogging CM Crunk's dad would have been awesome tonight for a comment from him on Nia alone. "Hey, who's that big bitch?", as he reaches into the cooler next to him for another beer. It'd be just like the Shit My Dad Says tv show except funny.



I actually live (relatively) close to Crunk, and after he told that story the other day, I was half tempted to ask him If I could come hang out and watch with them next time they get together.





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 06:42 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Universal Champion, eh? Might just be my funny-book addled brain at work here but the first thing that came to mind was this guy (pictured here last week in a bizarre cross-promotion put on by the SDCC and the RNC, apparently):



Wrong arm, Tryco! Wrong arm! But seriously, I could see Brown Steinman ditching WWE in a couple years to play this guy in Guardians of The Galaxy Vol 4.

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Live-blogging CM Crunk's dad would have been awesome tonight for a comment from him on Nia alone. "Hey, who's that big bitch?", as he reaches into the cooler next to him for another beer. It'd be just like the Shit My Dad Says tv show except funny.


I actually live (relatively) close to Crunk, and after he told that story the other day, I was half tempted to ask him If I could come hang out and watch with them next time they get together.


Haha, I'm still on sabbatical up in Victorville but Pops was a wee-bit hung over today so he crashed out early. He did awake from his hibernation long enough to catch most of Sasha vs. Charlotte. We both came to the same consensus that while ladies were once lining up around the block for a ride on Space Mountain, Charlotte might be evidence that he paid a visit or two to the Matterhorn. He told me not to delete it off the DVR which is a good sign.

ETA: In a rare occurrence, mostly spurred on by the quality of tonights show coupled with a general lack of anything else on, I'm watching the proper west coast feed after enjoying the east coast one and Papa Crunk emerged once more from his hibernation cave as Roman and Finn began.

"That the facepaint guy?" (he was living with me back when Finn debuted on NXT) "
"Uh huh."
"Against Drogo Shield guy?"
"Yup."
"Man, he must hate that little guy. Flaunting those abs while he's still wearing that vest like a fat kid in a big shirt at the public pool."
"I love you Dad."

Told him not to watch the DVR'd Raw without me tomorrow and he told me "watch wrestling by myself? I'm not a loser."

So for those keeping score at home that means Blue Bloods re-runs on ION>Pro-Wrasslin'


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posted on 7-26-2016 at 07:27 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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[Begin rant]
As a west coast viewer, I hate coming into this thread and reading timeless, context-rich posts like ...

"Wow"
"That was unexpected"
"Ouch! That had to hurt"
Etc etc etc

For me at least, it's an attempt to react AND not ruin the surprise for people on time-delay. Being aware that some people DO watch on the west-coast (or the next morning, or binge-watching before New Tuesday Smackdown, etc), I don't want to type something like the result of the main event on the first page (if it's a slow night, for example). So I try to keep things spoiler-free intentionally: those watching at the moment can join in the moment, and those who aren't watching might be able to use the time/date stamps at the top in hindsight to roughly-guess when we freaked out about what turn of events.

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posted on 7-26-2016 at 07:33 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Crunky, your pops wouldn't happen to be a lovable yet irascible old negro gentleman that feigns heart attacks under duress while eagerly wishing to rejoin his dearly beloved Elizabeth in the afterlife, would he? Also, how are junk sales these days, Cramont?



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posted on 7-26-2016 at 07:45 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
First off, great new direction for RAM which was sorely needed. For the first time in a long time I have genuine optimism going forward.

BUT. Surely the 'Universal' title is just going to be used as a storyline tool to show Steph's continued superiority complex before being given its proper name right? They must know it's the sort of thing that 5-year olds do - so you're the World champion, well I'm the champion of the Universe!





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 08:06 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Crunky, your pops wouldn't happen to be a lovable yet irascible old negro gentleman that feigns heart attacks under duress while eagerly wishing to rejoin his dearly beloved Elizabeth in the afterlife, would he? Also, how are junk sales these days, Cramont?



Moar Crunk and Son stories!


First of all, thank you for getting that theme song immediately stuck in my head. Second, as fucking hilarious as the comparison is we're more like a Bobby and Hank Hill that gradually metamorphosed into Eric and Red Foreman. He likes to keep his heart attacks real, sadly, and the junk in the garage is of little monetary value. I'm the weird artsy kid, who while very capable of playing them, never latched onto sports preferring instead to feighn illness to get out of little league and pee-wee games on Saturday mornings so I could watch X-Men, The Tick and WWF Superstars of Wrestling. He's the sarcastic ex-jock who knocked my Mom up and became a longhaul trucker. Now retired he looks like The Dude crossed with Fred Ottmans physique.



And don't even get me started on my relationship with my Mom. We have a long-running Arrested Development "Motherboy" joke going.



They both used to take me to house shows whenever they'd cruise through the Anaheim Convention center back when I was a wee Crunklet. They got into it, which is something I deeply appreciate to this day. My Mom was sweet on Hawk, and my Dad once loudly shouted "Go fuck yourself, ya jagofff!" at IRS from the 8th row one time when I was 6. Ahhh memories...

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BUT. Surely the 'Universal' title is just going to be used as a storyline tool to show Steph's continued superiority complex before being given its proper name right? They must know it's the sort of thing that 5-year olds do - so you're the World champion, well I'm the champion of the Universe!


God I can only hope a year from now we'll have Kevin Owens cutting an emphatic show opening promo proclaiming himself "the golden, molten lava, NINJA world champion!!"





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posted on 7-26-2016 at 03:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I just got around to catching Raw on Hulu. Damn fine show all around. The fatal four-way matches were good, but for me, Sasha/Charlotte was match of the night.

As a side note, I noticed that Cole mentioned Balor's accomplishments in professional wrestling, not sports-entertainment, during his entrance for the fatal 4-way. Kevin Dunn must have had a heart attack.





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Easily the best RAW of the year. Amazing what this company can do when they actually give a shit!!

Finn Balor is a wrestling rock star! That was an incredible debut.

I was trying to find a silver lining for Roman Reigns tonight, but did not see one. He is fucked in more ways than one.

Would have like to see a longer chase by Sasha, but that was a good moment for women's wrestling.

I expect Smackdown Live to put on a really good effort as well tonight.





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Easily the best RAW of the year.


Not sure what you were watching. The rest of us were watching RAM which was also quite good in its debut episode.





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I'm gonna need some time on the "Universal Title" term. I don't love it but I definitely don't hate it. It kinda has an old-school feel to me (wasn't the UWF the Universal Wrestling Federation back when?) And I was also going through my mind last night trying to think of alternative names for the Raw title (other than "Raw World Title") and wasn't having much luck since basically every possible name for a world title has been used by one promotion or another since wrestling was invented. World-wide Champion? National Champion? International Champion? I think Universal Champion isn't any worse than anything else they could've called it.





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I'm gonna need some time on the "Universal Title" term. I don't love it but I definitely don't hate it. It kinda has an old-school feel to me (wasn't the UWF the Universal Wrestling Federation back when?)


I can't help but think of the Herb Abrams version of UWF (circa 1992ish), which included the great moment of Steve Williams kicking the snot out of Steve Ray (not Stevie Ray) on the behest of Herb for screwing him over in a coke deal. Herb died of an OD after destroying his office with a baseball bat.





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**Spoiler Alert**

A preliminary picture of the Universal Title belt has been released.





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Are they getting sponsored by Dodge?





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Are they getting sponsored by Dodge?

Well, it is Monday Night RAM now. The sponsorshoe would fit.

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GUTS.

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RAM.





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