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posted on 8-22-2016 at 03:58 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
As much as that RKO was telegraphed, it was still cool as hell.
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:02 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:02 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Hell of a time for that pilar cyst to decide to pop.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:05 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Don't tell me Shane's fighting him next? Oy...





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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:05 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Four hours gone.

NXT NXT NXT!!!...and AJ/Cena.

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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:07 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
That ending was...huh?





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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:08 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
at least Goldberg wasn't part of the match or aftermath.





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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:12 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Gimme a choice between Lesnar/Shane and Lesnar/Goldberg, and well...

WWE chose wisely. If there's somehow a Lesnar/Bryan end game, that's OK, too.

Also: Ranallo is the best.

[Edited on 8-22-2016 by OORick]

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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:13 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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1) it happened by accident and they did their best to walk through to the end but it just fell flat
2) Brock went into business for himself because he's trying to get fired and/or insane
3) they planned it this way, it didn't work, and Vince should be in gorilla crying like Austin Powers going "me mojo's gone, me mojo's gone" over and over again

[Edited on 8/22/2016 by Paddlefoot]





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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Wow... all they had to do was put on some passable matches in the Reigns and Lesnar matches, and in both cases I think they kind of blew it bad... 2 back to back non-finishes.... ugh... Spread that shit out, and stick it earlier in the show.

Still...

*Cena vs. Styles was excellent A+ match.

*Rollins vs. Balor was very good... solid first pairing between these two... call it a B+

*Ambrose and Ziggler was.... interesting, and tried, but never quite came together... still, I'd call it a B- to a C+... nothing bad in there, just nothing quite exciting enough to write home about.

*Sasha and Charlotte probably disappointed a bit... not sure how much was maybe an injury, or just the expectations being too high... again they tried, it just didn't fly.

*The rest of the show... kind of a mismatched mish-mash of okay... nothing offensive, but nothing overly great either that you'd find outside of a Raw or SD. Reigns/Rusev and Brock/Orton shit the bed.... yeah, yeah... it's about story building for at least one of those matches (Reigns) but they played it wrong IMO... just kind of sucked the wind out of an already winded arena. Orton and Brock.... 15 years in the making for that? Should have taken another 5 more years and come up with a match that worked.

*Is it a bit sad that Chicken-Miz versus Colonel Ziggler was the third best thing on the card tonight?

*Overall.... I don't know... too long, no heart, no excitement going into it... 2 very good to great matches out of what... 8? 10? I'm going to call it a C+ overall.

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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:16 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I feel the bleeding was done on purpose. I think it was Ranallo that said something like "He's trying to open him up". It looked like a big cut but could have been a blood pack.
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:26 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Something must've gone awry because I can't believe they booked that clusterfuck in good faith.
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:26 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'm glad I'm watching this through the magic of free livestreams because if I paid for it I would have been pretty pissed off. Easily the most fucked up finale of a Summerslam since the Screwjob in 1997.

Edit: not a bloodpack, Lesnar probably caught Orton right where the skin is thinnest with the seam on those dumbfuck MMA gloves he was wearing as he was doing the retarded gorilla clubbering



Edit agayn: man, there is some severe hate-Lesnar going on right now on the other sites, with a hell of a lot of comments that he did this deliberately just to fuck Orton/WWE up






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You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:37 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Options:

1) it happened by accident and they did their best to walk through to the end but it just fell flat
2) Brock went into business for himself because he's trying to get fired and/or insane
3) they planned it this way, it didn't work, and Vince should be in gorilla crying like Austin Powers going "me mojo's gone, me mojo's gone" over and over again

[Edited on 8/22/2016 by Paddlefoot]
If it was by accident, they wouldn't have had Brock continue to pound him every time they tried to clean it up. 1 is out.

2 is out because they would have cut the feed if Brock went into business for himself.

3 is kind of out because while they probably planned it this way, they planned it for controversy and buzz and in that sense it kind of worked.

So, lets go with option 4) Planned it that way, got what they wanted, but not how they wanted it.

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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:39 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Anyone else tired of Lesnar's schtick? Fucking great, you destroy errbody. Whoopidy doo.

Since Roman's probably not in the queue to beat him the only other dude I could see 'realistically' taking him on is Cesaro. But they're gonna put him and Shane in a cage, aren't they?





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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:44 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I know talk of blood packs and capsules and stuff is en vogue, thanks to the Saxton Gambit, but honestly, if you thought that was anything but the real thing on SummerSlam, you weren't paying attention.

That said, I was just sitting here, in my Private Reflectiontorium, and pondering tonight's event, and I realized something.... the next PPV is a SMACKDOWN show, not RAW, and it's only 3 weeks away..... this caught me off-guard, as tonight's booking seemed to put RAW on a faster burn (Balor/Rollins is WAY easier to turn around for a rematch, to say nothing of that tag title match, or the non-match for hte US Titlte)....

So how does SD carry a PPV in less than a month? Option #1: Diesel attacks Ambrose, and we get Ambrose/Ziggler II, this time, with some actual intrigue.... Option #2: Shane begs for RAW to "lend" Lesnar to SD, for Shane vs. Lesnar... Option #3: both options 1 and 2, plus, Kurt Angle returns to manage American Alpha against Bob Backlund's team of Titus/DYoung....

You get the idea: it's a long shot to make anyone give a shit about a SD PPV in 3 weeks, unless there is something here that they didn't hint at tonight. Because, otherwise, it should be RAW that gets the first PPV.....



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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:46 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Too jagged a cut for it to be a blade job.



There's no way that Vince signed off on this or had it part of the plan, not since they've been against showing any blood for most of the PG Era.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 8-22-2016 at 04:52 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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I'm guessing Royberto would prefer Becky Lynch wrestle in only the fishnet-thong onesie that keeps popping up over her pants.


You know, I can't speak for Roberto, but I'd certainly be okay with that.

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The difference between the crowd last night and the crowd tonight was incredibly stark. The crowd last night made good to above average matches feel much more better and special than they were, and tonight's crowd was ass. I mean, they chanted for Goldberg in the year of our lord 2016. The show was better than the crowd deserved.

Cena/AJ was tremendous and a top shelf match of the year candidate. Great work by both of them. Cena losing again at Summerslam is pretty interesting. AJ has been a champion many times over, but that seemed like the biggest win of his life.

I dug the end of the Lesnar/Orton match because Brock beating the dog shit out of someone should end the match. It would have been better if the doctor didn't hold a towel over Orton's face for 5 minutes just for the dramatic image of Lesnar standing over a bloody victim, but whatever, that's how WWE is now.

The stuff with Shane can't possibly end with him fighting Shane and I imagine, that if anything, it'll get Lesnar suspended or something until Rumble or even Mania, whenever they want to bring him back. If he does fight Shane, that taking place at the Rumble wouldn't be so bad since it would be far from the main event.

Banks/Charlotte was pretty good, despite being really sloppy. It seems that Charlotte has plateaued ring-wise and Banks doesn't have her mojo from working at the top of NXT for some reason. There was no better big match performer in all of WWE from the 4 way Sasha won the belt until Brooklyn last year. It could have just been the timing of everyone coming up together, with the right time and right environment that fostered great matches, but something has clearly been off in her WWE work.

Rollins/Balor was a lot of fun. Loved Rollins breaking out a lot of his old moves like God's Last Gift. Balor winning was a surprise to me, which made the match more fun. That title is ugly as hell though.

Ambrose and Ziggler would have been much better with last night's crowd. I like the supremely confident and dickish Ambrose. I hope he continues playing that up wherever he goes next because it gives him more depth. No idea what they do with Ziggler. It'll be as awful as his elbows if he becomes an afterthought so quickly yet again.

Owens and Jericho kind of stealing the shatter machine was a nice finish. Enzo didn't get up on that or the Air Enzo where Cass had to muscle him over the ropes. Jumped around like the poop emoji was on the outside and inside of his pants.

Nice to see the queen of strong style back. Kinda forgot how over the Bellas are.

I wouldn't mind if Zayn and Neville teamed up while also focusing on their singles careers. They could be a fun team, but it'd feel like a demotion for Zayn, who deserved much, much better.

Apollo Crews is like a video game wrestler because he has a lot of big flashy moves and the personality of one.

The New Day haven't had a good match since Y2AJ. Maybe because that's the last time they had a big match that had a story with it, but they have not delivered during their face turn in the ring. At all. It's not all their fault. It's a shame that it's to this level because they were carrying some ppvs with fine matches.

I have no idea how crowds are suppose to stay invested for 6 more Cesaro/Sheamus matches. I love Cesaro and think Sheamus is pretty great at times, but man, it's a challenge to care about the match for the first 5 minutes. Once they get going, it's fine. It's mostly Sheamus. He's got the stink of going nowhere on him and it's hard to drink it in, man without wanting to watch something else.

Overall, an enjoyable night with a couple of big time matches. Nothing was outright bad. We had a legit match of the year contender. 3 and a half stars for the show in my star ratings I'm making up now that no one cares about.





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Anyone else tired of Lesnar's schtick? Fucking great, you destroy errbody. Whoopidy doo.




I feel WWE saw the great response Lesnar's squash on Cena got and they don't get what made it so special. Along with Lesnar vs Rollins, Lesnar vs Ambrose, this makes 3 big matches that turn out shitty because they couldn't let it be competitive. The Undertaker had competitive matches with the likes of Ken Kennedy and Festus but Brock's too big for his fellow Main Eventers?

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Gimme a choice between Lesnar/Shane and Lesnar/Goldberg, and well...

WWE chose wisely. If there's somehow a Lesnar/Bryan end game, that's OK, too.

Also: Ranallo is the best.

[Edited on 8-22-2016 by OORick]
Lesnar/Bryan ain't happening. Unless you want Bryan to be sucking his food through a straw for the rest of his life.

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Kurt Angle returns to manage American Alpha against Bob Backlund's team of Titus/DYoung....



Since this was brought up, my brother had a suggestion about Angle/Alpha. He pitched Angle seeming to set up managing AA but setting them up for an attack by the Revival and Angle managing the Revival instead. Angle managing the Revival would do a hell of a lot more for them than Angle managing Alpha would. AA are super dope and can(will) get over on their own. They are already being built as the biggest and best team on Smackdown. The Revival are the best team in wrestling today and they would die on the main roster because neither one looks like a superstar. They would need someone to help get them over and Angle would do it. Plus, you can set up for when they dump Angle and he teams with Alpha and they run through the Revival.





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Fuck it, at this point I'd work Brown Stainedpants towards a Revenge of the Nerds II Ogre nerdification gimmick and have him take out Lesnar. I heard him on Stone Cold's podcast and he came across as really well spoken, humble, and decent, so why not give the big man that rub and turn him into someone worth watching?

Brock is otherwise pointless at this stage. Heyman too, unfortunately. And now that UFC's out of the question for the foreseeable future, I'm assuming we'll see more of him whenever he needs a paycheque boost. Feh.





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Well, it's a good thing I didn't finish my Summerslam poster before watching the show... Once I got home I put the finishing touches on it.







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Some of the comments on the other sites agreed with what Ambrose said on the Stone Cold show, that Lesnar's lazy, doesn't care to put any heart into anything, and is really only showing up now to get paid. Maybe this is pretty much true. One of the problems could be that WWE doesn't have enough pride in itself as a wrestling entity (and hasn't for years) so when the chance for some cross-over with something like MMA happens they just jump at it. Like when McGregor shat all over WWE talent last week the wrestlers were all like go fuck yourself you ignorant vanilla midget. There was silence from Stamford though which indicates that at least a few people in the office were probably all "ooh ooh they mentioned us again!". Yeah, I guess shitting all over your people does count as some kind of a mention I suppose, if you think an asshole insulting you is really just a type of backhanded compliment.

Which leads to the problem with Lesnar. No pride in their own product means that they'll let him pull the MMA stuff inside of a wrestling ring, and not bother to hold back on hitting the other guy stiff as much as he wants to (just like happened to Orton tonight) because that ephemeral rub they're going to get from even the smallest association with MMA has them dazzled. This means Lesnar has them wrapped around his fingers because they're so pathetically desperate to maintain the MMA cachet they think he's bringing with him to WWE. And it's not working or, even worse, it leads to a situation where an ugly fucking botch like happened tonight (if a botch it really was) ends up wrecking one of their shows.

I'll admit that a lot of this is my own ongoing anti-Lesnar bias but I wouldn't be upset at all if they let him go do what he wants elsewhere and keep him out of the WWE product. I don't see that what he's bringing is to them is so valuable that they're willing to allow him to half-ass it or injure someone else. They've already made themselves look weak by allowing him to perform after a controversial drug test failure at the same time they're still punishing their own people for the same issues. If the guy doesn't care or is being a prick on purpose because he knows there's no consequences to face then what kind of message is that sending? Yes, we'll be tougher than hell on some silly little girl on Adderall but the guy who rigged his last bout in the human cock-fighting league he hangs out in by shooting an entire cabinet of veterinary medicine into his ass? "Sorry, there's just some untouchables in this place and you better get fucking used to it."? Fuck that. There's other performers already in their company that can make the crowd pop the same way and they aren't anywhere near the soap-opera-divas level of difficulty to deal with. Just my opinion but if he walked through the door of a WWE show ever again I wouldn't see it as a great loss to them.

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