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Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: SmackDown LIVE (August 23, 2016)
Foxcalibur
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 05:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by janerd75
I am a Miz mark, baybay. A Mizark, if you wheel, daddeh. Also, here's Miz going salted fucking ham on D Bry. Absolute Certified 100% Grade-A
GOLLY!!!
Holy shitsnacks. That's how you make a work look like a shoot. That's how you mix reality with wrestling. Miz is another guy like Roman
Reigns who was ruined by a stubborn push at a bad time. He's easily one of the best sticks and character guys in the 'E (Mizdow's
success was half Miz) and gets very little love from smarkdom. That was better than any of Charles Montgomery Punk's worked shoot promos by a
country mile.
Well played, the Miz. (And Renee and Maryse and D-Bries, whose reactions really sold it.) Well played.
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 05:31 AM
Miz just cut the promo of his life, that was raw unbridled emotion. However, seeing how Bryan took it, even if that was a work, I really feel bad for
the poor guy, having to live with the fact that his in-ring style had caused him to accumulate injuries that cut his career short, and just had that
fact thrown back into his face again.
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 06:30 AM
Really enjoyed SD. The wrestling was pretty enjoyable. The crowd wasn't into some matches at first, but really got into them by the end, which
is the goal. Alpha/Breeze/Fandango was really good. I'm digging the Breeze/Fandango team and am also disappointed that was a first round match
because all four can put on a solid match. Give them 5 more minutes and they could have torn the building down. Okay, that was a wild overstatement,
but the crowd was into it.
I'm in the Team Ziggler camp. He's been so good since getting his last chance that it's revived my interest in him. I don't
know who else SD has for him to challenge since he's currently out of the title picture and Orton and Wyatt are off on their own thing. Cena is
there but it seems like he's gone. WWE is great at heating people up and then cooling them off forever, I hope they don't do it with
Ziggler now.
AJ Styles is carrying a WWE brand that's not NXT. Mind blowing a year ago, awesome now.
Mentioned in the Summerslam thread that I was getting into Ambrose as the cocky prick champ, disappointed he reverted back to lame ass Ambrose because
the story for the Ziggler match is over. Ambrose needs a heel turn to save us from his horrible comedy themed promos.
EDIT: God damn that Miz promo was fire
[Edited on 8-24-2016 by cardscott5]
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 01:15 PM
Most interesting thing about that Talking Smack segment was Bryan saying, "If they would let me come back, I would."
When it Reigns, it bores.
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 05:21 PM
Isn't that pretty well-known? Or do you think they were hinting at a possible return?
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 05:35 PM
That Miz promo was unreal! I want to know the backstage politics but again...I don't. Absolutely blown away.
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 05:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Foxcalibur
Isn't that pretty well-known? Or do you think they were hinting at a possible return?
That's not the official line, no.
During his good bye promo he said, "...I took a test that said that maybe my brain isn't as okay as I thought it was. And I have a family to
think about, and my wife and I want to start having kids soon."
Then during the media rounds he said he had a "small, sub-acute lesion" on his brain that resulted in post-concussion seizures. That entire time he
made it seem as if at first he wanted to keep wrestling no matter what, but doctors finally told him that he shouldn't and he agreed.
The narrative since then has been that "Yeah, it sucks I have to retire, but I have no choice but to choose my health and family and I am at peace
with it."
His statement during Smack Talk was more, "It sucked I had to retire, but WWE gave me no choice."
Big difference.
Also, Bryan (unless WWE grants him his release, which isn't happening) is under contract until 2018. So, he won't be able to wrestle again
until then.
[Edited on 8-24-2016 by CCharger]
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 06:00 PM
That Miz promo was as "old-school" as it gets! Brings me back to the 70's when they made it "real!" Good job everyone involved in that
segment!!!
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posted on 8-24-2016 at 07:50 PM
I agree with G-Spot, that is about as old school as it gets when cutting a promo. That was the shit!!
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posted on 8-25-2016 at 06:23 AM
* I caught Alexa Bliss having way too much fun doing the Yes chant. Like she's wanted to do it in a ring her whole life.
* I am pretty much a fan of all things Becky Lynch, but that new outfit of hers is dreadful.
* When was the last time Natalya had any character development promo material that was worth two shits? I wish I had a chance to help re-write her
career. Naomi needs to relax and just be herself.
* I'm baffled by the lack of success/relevance the Ascension have had in the WWE.
* That Breezango/Alpha match was pretty sweet. Tyler Breeze continues to be a very underrated superstar.
* The place to interview Nikki Bella was on the ramp, not in the ring with her opponent standing right there. Nikki, blame Renee for that beatdown.
And no, the women's division is presently not big enough for two belts, WWE.
* Slater/Rhyno is intersting.
* Ziggler/Styles was fantastic. Styles proving to be everything WWE hoped he'd be at this stage of his career and more. I agree that Ziggler
never found a true role to be comfortable in and I don't know why that's been the case. He coul'dve been Rick Rude 2.0 in a
heartbeat, but WWE never pushed him over that hump for whatever reason. Ziggler interjecting himself at Backlash seems logical, setting up a 3-way
dance for the next Smackdown PPV, now that there are 7 billion of them a year. I say Styles eventually wins with Cena getting his 16th world title
from him upon his return.
ETA: Miz/Bryan promo was excellent. Could've been epic if Miz had been a little more fact-stating and a little less repetitive, but his
near-foaming at the mouth kinda made up for it.
[Edited on 8-25-2016 by Dominator]
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posted on 8-25-2016 at 09:00 AM
Yeah, it's kind of difficult to say that Carmella cracking Nikki from behind was unjustified when she was so blatantly dissed by a pre-match
interview in the ring. At least making her into a heel has raised the interest in her, which was kind of non-existent due to her fairly awful
white-girl-rapper entrance. She's got one hell of a tight little body on her too, probably going around with all of 2% body fat, with those
Angelina Love variety of abdominal muscles that look like you could shoot a small-caliber gun at them and the bullet would just bounce off.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 8-25-2016 at 05:07 PM
Confused @ DBry's logic.
1. AJ you're the number one contender.
2. You and Ziggler have a match.
3. IF you win you challenge Ambrose @ Backlash.
4. IF Ziggler win's it's a triple threat.
Um... so (3) if you lose presumably you don't challenge Ambrose @ Backlash ergo per (4) who else is in the triple threat cuz it's not
AJ...
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posted on 8-25-2016 at 05:27 PM
quote:Originally posted by batsnumbereleven
Confused @ DBry's logic.
Um... so (3) if you lose presumably you don't challenge Ambrose @ Backlash ergo per (4) who else is in the triple threat cuz it's not
AJ...
Nah, it was win and preserve 1on1 matchup earned vs Ambrose.
Lose, and it's a triple threat, where your odds (in a vaccuum) of victory decrease by ~20%.
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posted on 8-25-2016 at 05:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by batsnumbereleven
Confused @ DBry's logic.
1. AJ you're the number one contender.
2. You and Ziggler have a match.
3. IF you win you challenge Ambrose @ Backlash.
4. IF Ziggler win's it's a triple threat.
Um... so (3) if you lose presumably you don't challenge Ambrose @ Backlash ergo per (4) who else is in the triple threat cuz it's not
AJ...
I was thinking the same thing.
I think the announcers tried to make sense of it later.
I might be misremembering but I thought someone later said AJ needed to win the match, so it would be a straight one on one with Ambrose at Backlash,
rather than a triple threat, "where his odds of winning would be greatly diminished."
Or something like that. I was in and out of a vegetative state though.
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posted on 8-25-2016 at 08:50 PM
Yeah, I didn't quite get that, either. D-Bry needed to word it better.
"A.J., your performance and your win over Cena last night combined with the run you've been on, clearly makes you the #1 contender for the WWE
Championship. However, it seems to me like the guy who came oh-so-close again last night wants to fight you. So here's the deal. Dolph, you
want another shot to prove you're the man on Smackdown? You beat Styles tonight, and you can join him in challenging Dean Ambrose for the World
Title in a Triple Threat Match at Backlash."
A.J. really had nothing to lose in the match, so you if you wanted to add gravitas, you just should've had them fight for the #1 contendership.
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 12:33 AM
Regarding the AJ/Ziggler match: I agree it should have just been a straight up number one contender's match and the "AJ is already in, but if
Dolph wins than he's in too" stipulation was a little weird, since Dolph had way more to be fighting for. But as Dyn-O-Mite mentioned, I guess
the idea was that AJ was fighting to keep Dolph out of the Backlash main event and Dolph was fighting to get in.
Regarding the Miz promo: it was of course great (I especially loved how he really put over the IC title), but I'm not quite sure where they go
next here. Daniel Bryan obviously isn't returning to the ring, so it's not like it's going to set up a match between the two of
them. And the Miz has been a comedic heel for the past couple of years, so to have him suddenly cutting this intense, pissed off promo was kind of odd
to me; does this mean he's completely ditching the comical "delusional D-Lister who thinks he's an A-Lister" gimmick and is going to be
an intense, serious heel from now on? Or will the WWE treat this as a one time "shoot" moment and Miz will be back to having fake conversations with
Stephen Spielberg about playing Indiana Jones next week?
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 12:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
does this mean he's completely ditching the comical "delusional D-Lister who thinks he's an A-Lister" gimmick and is going to be an
intense, serious heel from now on? Or will the WWE treat this as a one time "shoot" moment and Miz will be back to having fake conversations with
Stephen Spielberg about playing Indiana Jones next week?
I think we both know the answer to that.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 01:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:Originally posted by the goon
does this mean he's completely ditching the comical "delusional D-Lister who thinks he's an A-Lister" gimmick and is going to be an
intense, serious heel from now on? Or will the WWE treat this as a one time "shoot" moment and Miz will be back to having fake conversations with
Stephen Spielberg about playing Indiana Jones next week?
I think we both know the answer to that.
Was thinking about that today. (I earn paycheck from this company on a daily basis, clearly) But honestly, I think it's super likely
there's no forward movement from this -- and instead it was a pretty sneaky genius way after 4 days and 11 hours of wrestling, to keep people
talking about the product in fresh, non-recapy, fatigued way...
Or am I giving them too much credit and they stumbled into it bc they let talented talkers talk with no script...
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 01:21 AM
I'm honestly not sure where you go with that in kayfabe terms anyway - don't get me wrong, it was a great promo, but Daniel Bryan's
not coming out of retirement and, if he was, it sure wouldn't be to feud with Miz over the IC title.
Miz's douchey character is just fine and doesn't need tweaking. It's nice for them to throw a bone to smart fans with stuff like
that on the Network, but edgier, real-er Miz isn't really likely.
There's also the possibility of someone standing up for Brian and telling Miz he really is a coward and starting a feud from it, but I'm
not exactly sure who that would be on Smackdown.
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 02:36 AM
Yeah I could completely see them abandoning it since it was on a show that 99% of the audience doesn't watch but what do I know? It's
gotten mainstream press whether they're ready or not.
As for my thoughts, maybe it was too built up for me before I actually watched it, but I wasn't completely blown away. I mean, it was damn good
for a 2:40 promo but I didn't feel like it shifted worlds or anything, mainly due to how short it was. Good on Miz though.
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 03:00 AM
If Brett Hart had cut that promo the interwebz would be screaming Brett is Brett's biggest mark.
Miz made it real to Miz...hopefully it was just in the moment. Maryse does have a slightly panicked look to off camera and I don't think she is
that good an actress.
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 03:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by GodEatGod
Miz's douchey character is just fine and doesn't need tweaking.
That's my thinking as well. Miz is doing quite well as the douchey, celeb wannabe heel and I really don't have much desire to see serious,
"real" Miz. Like the gooker mentioned, it is getting some buzz on non-wrestling sites (Deadspin had a lengthy article about it saying it was the
most interesting promo in years, for instance) so I wouldn't be shocked if the WWE thought "hey, we're generating a lot of buzz with
this...let's keep rolling with pissed off, edgy Miz!"
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posted on 8-26-2016 at 04:02 AM
quote:Originally posted by merc
Maryse does have a slightly panicked look to off camera and I don't think she is that good an actress.
