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Obama Opens NSA�s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to Entire Intelligence Community, Just in Time for Trump
With only days until Donald Trump takes office, the Obama administration on Thursday announced new rules that will let the NSA share vast amounts of
private data gathered without warrant, court orders or congressional authorization with 16 other agencies, including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement
Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.
The new rules allow employees doing intelligence work for those agencies to sift through raw data collected under a broad, Reagan-era executive order
that gives the NSA virtually unlimited authority to intercept communications abroad. Previously, NSA analysts would filter out information they deemed
irrelevant and mask the names of innocent Americans before passing it along.
The change was in the works long before there was any expectation that someone like Trump might become president. The last-minute adoption of the
procedures is one of many examples of the Obama administration making new executive powers established by the Bush administration permanent, on the
assumption that the executive branch could be trusted to police itself.
Executive Order 12333, often referred to as �twelve triple-three,� has attracted less debate than congressional wiretapping laws, but serves as
authorization for the NSA�s most massive surveillance programs � far more than the NSA�s other programs combined. Under 12333, the NSA taps phone and
internet backbones throughout the world, records the phone calls of entire countries, vacuums up traffic from Google and Yahoo�s data centers
overseas, and more.
Why the fuck does nobody from either side ever talk about this shit on social media? It's mind blowing how the Left pretends it's not
happening, and the Right seems content to let it slide, because "gubment bad, but terror worse."
merc
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posted on 1-16-2017 at 03:33 AM
Two thoughts
1. Why would you talk about it on the interweb, knowing the government is reading all our stuff?
2. Wait a week and liberals will be screaming like ...liberals... About it.
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posted on 1-16-2017 at 06:22 AM
1. To spread awareness. There's nothing wrong (or self defeating) in posting about it.
2. False. This story will gain about as much traction as my truck on a sheet of ice.
In fact, the only person I can think of that will get upset by this is Alex fucking Jones. Feel free to call him a liberal on Twitter and see his
brain explode.
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posted on 1-16-2017 at 11:40 AM
I would guess that most people aren't bothered because they had assumed that was the way things were already. The 'everything you do is
being watched' thing has long been a running joke on the Internet. Our popular culture has depicted government and law enforcement hacking
everything known to man and spying on people willy nilly (seriously, Garcia on Criminal Minds just hacks anyone she wants with two flicks of her
fingers and no one even bats an eye about a warrant, ever).
I'm not saying any of that's right. I'm also not a conspiracy theorist who believes that pop culture has been lulling us into a
false sense of security with such things. I think our politics have simply showed us, especially this year, that a lot of people are just perfectly
comfortable with living under an authoritarian state, so long as that state looks like them (or is just a bit orange by comparison).
"It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don't like something, it is empirically not good. I don't like
Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
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posted on 1-16-2017 at 04:35 PM
Any self-respecting liberal should be rightfully outraged by this.
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted."
"The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned."
--- Stephen Miller, Trump senior White House advisor, Feb. 12, 2017
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posted on 1-16-2017 at 04:53 PM
Aah...that explains the silence from the left.
Don't Mess With Texas
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posted on 1-16-2017 at 05:50 PM
quote:Originally posted by GodEatGod
I would guess that most people aren't bothered because they had assumed that was the way things were already. The 'everything you do is
being watched' thing has long been a running joke on the Internet. Our popular culture has depicted government and law enforcement hacking
everything known to man and spying on people willy nilly (seriously, Garcia on Criminal Minds just hacks anyone she wants with two flicks of her
fingers and no one even bats an eye about a warrant, ever).
I'm not saying any of that's right. I'm also not a conspiracy theorist who believes that pop culture has been lulling us into a
false sense of security with such things. I think our politics have simply showed us, especially this year, that a lot of people are just perfectly
comfortable with living under an authoritarian state, so long as that state looks like them (or is just a bit orange by comparison).
All of this. Pad's on a roll lately.
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 12:01 AM
Not me, man. For what's it's worth this is the only conspiracy theory I believe in, and it's backed up by almost 200 years of
Russian intelligence running rings around the West. I believe that both Assange and Snowden are Russian agents and have been for a very long time. I
also believe that Wikileaks and pretty much the entire leak community is a Russian operation. The likes of Greenwald aren't, but they're
so consumed by antipathy towards the United States that they effectively fill the role of useful idiots/fellow travelers and end up serving Russian
interests as a result of it. Call me crazy if you want but I think the Russians have been neck-deep in a lot of things, including a role in Sept 11,
2001. They are still our rivals as much as they were during the Cold War and their activities in influencing the 2016 election are merely the most
recent example of what they get up to.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 12:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
That's exactly what a Russian agent would say. Disinform to misinform. Well played, Comrade.
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 12:27 AM
It's in Revelations, people!
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 06:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Not me, man. For what's it's worth this is the only conspiracy theory I believe in, and it's backed up by almost 200 years of
Russian intelligence running rings around the West. I believe that both Assange and Snowden are Russian agents and have been for a very long time. I
also believe that Wikileaks and pretty much the entire leak community is a Russian operation. The likes of Greenwald aren't, but they're
so consumed by antipathy towards the United States that they effectively fill the role of useful idiots/fellow travelers and end up serving Russian
interests as a result of it. Call me crazy if you want but I think the Russians have been neck-deep in a lot of things, including a role in Sept 11,
2001. They are still our rivals as much as they were during the Cold War and their activities in influencing the 2016 election are merely the most
recent example of what they get up to.
I say this as somebody who reads Agatha Christie-type Byzantine mystery-subterfuge-murder-plot
books...
That's some damn good tinfoil you're wearing, and I don't even mean that as an insult. Like, as far as "kooky conspiracy
theories" go? This one is both kooky AND "so crazy it just might work". If you're not writing books, you ought to be -- if you can put meat
on that plot's bones, you might just hit the jackpot.
Paddlefoot
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 07:10 AM
It's not crazy because it doesn't depend on UFO's or any Jews who worked in the WTC not showing up on 9/11. It's really based
in historical fact, especially about Russian capabilities and intentions. Look at it this way: by 1943 the Soviets had agents penetrated deep inside
the high command of the Third Reich, probably even inside Hitler's inner circle. So much intelligence was getting back to Moscow that the Red
Army was aware of German orders and battle plans even before German generals in the field were. In addition, thanks to the Cambridge spy ring traitors
in Britain, the Soviets also picked up and interrogated/tortured/killed every single OSS/CIA/MI6 agent that the US and the British tried to insert
into Eastern Europe; from the late 1940's to the early 1960's almost every bit of "information" the US received (because they believed
their agents were still alive) was useless deceptive garbage. In light of things like this that show what pros the Russians are at this game how
difficult would it be for today's Russia to set up something like Wikileaks with the mere aim of creating dissent inside the US?
The Cold War didn't end, dawg. It just went into a bit of a lull for about fifteen years. And now, with what happened in the election,
it's back in full force. The leaks, hacks, and cyber-attacks are just the front it's being fought on now.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 03:14 PM
Correct. And for as much as a hard charging dick as he was, especially to gays during the Lavender scare, Joe McCarthy wasn't wrong aboot the
Commie menace. If you ever want to get really conspiritorial regarding Commie infiltration in all aspects of 'Murican life, ask yourself why
Hitler and his crew are considered the be all, end all of evil that has ever operated on this earth. Of course they were awful, but ol' Adolph
n' Pals only operated for around 12 years, with 3-4 being the Oscar winning war movie years. But they wouldn't have been fit to work 3rd
shift in Stalin's gulags or Mao's purges. Wear a Hitler shirt or any Nazi gear and you'll likely get your teeth Chicleted out of
your mouth or bitched about on Twatter. Che, Mao, and Fidel's cap are trendy items/symbols that are either celebrated when worn or met with
indifference by people that have no idea who they are. 'We will sell the West the rope they use to hang themselves' comes to mind.
The Chinese are still more than nominally Communist, only forced to keep up via the intrusion of modern Western Capitalism. And much like there is
still warmongering neocon garbage like John McCain* doddering around the halls of the Senate, bet a few rubles that, like Pad mentioned, there are old
KGB warhorses whispering in Vlad's ears about the old days. Y'know, Vlad Putin, ex-KGB agent?
The Cold War indeed never ended. It's just that the Big Dawg took it's eye off the ball jerking it to Lee Greenwood and Toby Keith albums
in Pax Americana ecstasy while the sundry Axises of Eviles reorganized their operations to take a bite at a later date. Which, in my opinion, is to
the delight of what Ike warned about long ago regarding the Military Industrial Complex. War is good business for them. Or did you think perpetually
blowing up People of the Sand on a near constant basis was somehow protecting you and yours?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for blowin' people up real gud, but, like, have a clear and present national security emergency and an
even clearer plan to fuck their shit up and then leave. Otherwise spend the rest of your days seeing your Granny groped by some low IQ vindictive
former high school bully 'security' goon at the airport.
*Inb4 ZOMG! how dare you! War hero! He's the utterly nepotized and protected son and grandson of Admirals, killed people on an aircraft carrier
by firing missles while on deck, armed 'rebels' a.k.a. ISIS in Syria, and crashed planes like I crash posts with gifs. Fuck 'em.
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 04:10 PM
I'm thinking the Russians have control over the networks MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS & NBC.
For the last 25 years or so they have been leading our great country towards the great buffalo drop.
"I wish sarcasm was available as a font." John Stuart Mill
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posted on 1-17-2017 at 04:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by merc
I'm thinking the Russians have control over the networks MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS & NBC.
For the last 25 years or so they have been leading our great country towards the great buffalo drop.
Only 25? C'mon merc, they're more ambitious than that! Inb4 yeah but Faux Nooz!!! I don't like 'em neither for potentially
different reasons, but Gutfield, Stossel, Cavuto, and Baier are pretty cool.
Anywho, re-railing to Illuminati Lizardmen reading my thoughts and stealing my vital essence to power their child sacrifice machines...
I'm glad I mostly grew up before the dark times, before the Algorithms. As of now though, everything you do online is being copied, collated,
and filed away, ready to be recalled at a moments notice by ??? for the purposes of ??? And soon, with the advent of things like Alexa and smart homes
with interactive audio/visual capabilities, who's to say what future vulnerabilities to those systems will compromise you and your
family's safety by parties either unknown to you and/or your government acting in your 'best interests' or the 'best
interests' of the State.
Good luck thinking your political party will be able to put their boot to the neck of your rivals in perpetuity when that pendulum swings all
the way back in your face using all the laws and mandates enacted by your team that you never imagined would be used against you. Hence Trumpster and
payback being a bitch.
Also, for those worried aboot the NSA getting into yo bidness and gubment intrusion into your life, go ahead and take a long gander at that portable
GPS tracking device that can record video and audio that you carry with you wherever you go that you use to call the wife to ask what's for
dinner or secretly jerk off with when she's not looking. The tech is wonderful and exceedingly helpful, but please be aware that it can be used
against you if you're not paying attention.
And for my next helpful post I will be reporting on how the food is in the FEMA camp I'll soon be sent to. Lol, j/k I'd be happy to go
'cause I'm tired of cleaning up Parky the Dad's piss and shit every day. But I digress...
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
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posted on 1-18-2017 at 01:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by merc
quote:Originally posted by denverpunk
Nah, everyone know Fox News is controlled by Breitbart.
LOL! I did leave Fox out cuz I thought they whored themselves out for Trump.
And can someone p,ease translate Janny posts, I'm clueless on his shizzizzle"
Yeah I typed shizzizzle. Dippin now
Trump who has whored himself out to Putin...
2017 where Nazis are defended and being against Fascism is a bad thing.
Prejudices are rarely overcome by argument; not being founded in reason they cannot be destroyed by logic � Tryon Edwards
Never let the facts interfere with a good rant.
The only OO columnist that has never written a column.
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posted on 1-25-2017 at 07:11 PM
So former Prez Obama, in the day before he added the former, ordered a $221,000,000 payment to Palestinians under the guise of "humanitarian aid.
Not sure what the proper channel is for funneling $221,000,000 to a middle eastern organization that frequently engages in conflict with one of your
biggest allies...oh wait...that's right. He left Israel high and dry at the UN.
Opinion to follow. That feels illegal. Opinion concluded.
Maybe some "reporter" should chase what actually happened instead of the what if BS the press seems to focus in on.
ETA link to something other than FOX NEWS because...well above...
I'd think the link might die, when they fix the typo.
[Edited on 1-25-2017 by merc]
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posted on 1-25-2017 at 07:54 PM
merc,
Not sure if you heard, but we elected a new president. He was inaugurated last Friday. You can stop posting about the black, socialist, Muslim
community organizer from Kenya now.
Time to start worrying about all the horrible shit Mr. Trump is going to do now.
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted."
"The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned."
--- Stephen Miller, Trump senior White House advisor, Feb. 12, 2017
merc
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posted on 1-26-2017 at 02:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
merc,
Not sure if you heard, but we elected a new president. He was inaugurated last Friday. You can stop posting about the black, socialist, Muslim
community organizer from Kenya now.
Time to start worrying about all the horrible shit Mr. Trump is going to do now.
CC,
Let's say you had a job. And in this job you had a place where you put stuff that was valuable. I know both are stretches but think really
really hard. ready?
Someone else who works there, on their last day, takes your valued item! Worse they don't tell anyone they are taking it. with me still?
When it comes to light that your valued item is missing you make sure everyone knows about it. Better yet, you tell them who did it.
Their response, dude forget about it she/he doesn't work here anymore.
BTW,
I was posting about our former President. I never viewed him as a "black, socialist, Muslim community organizer from Kenya". Please don't
confuse me with someone else.
I'm wondering where the posters that jump into other threads typing loudly about obfuscating when bringing up Obama in a Trump thread are with
their typical outrage at how you have done just that in reverse. I'm sure they all aren't fucking hypocrites.
"I wish sarcasm was available as a font." John Stuart Mill
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posted on 1-27-2017 at 12:37 AM
You're not upset Obama gave your "vaulable item" to someone. You're upset WHO he gave it to. You would have been fine if he gave $221
million to Israel or Canada or Taiwan.
You're mad he gave it to people you don't like.
We provide billions in aid to dozens of country. We even give aid to countries whose economies are just fine - like Israel:
�Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been
the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll. Total
direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars. Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year,
which is roughly one-fifth of America's entire foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy
worth about $500 billion per year. This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per
capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.�
From thehill.com:
"Congress had initially approved the spending. But two House Republicans, Reps. Ed Royce (Calif.), who serves as the chairman of the House Foreign
Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger (Texas), who is on the powerful Appropriations Committee, put holds on the aid money because the Palestinian
Authority was seeking membership in international organizations.
Former Secretary of State John Kerry notified some lawmakers about the decision to release the money on Thursday, the AP reports.
The $221 million sent to the Palestinian Authority is intended to provide humanitarian aid in ares such as Gaza and the West Bank, as well as to
support political reforms there."
What a monster Obama was, huh? Giving money for humanitarian aid and ending corruption.
[Edited on 1-26-2017 by CCharger]
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted."
"The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned."
--- Stephen Miller, Trump senior White House advisor, Feb. 12, 2017
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posted on 1-27-2017 at 09:34 AM
If shit really does go tits up, don't forget to keep on rockin' 'til the end. Or something.
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
Inb4 yeah but Faux Nooz!!! I don't like 'em neither for potentially
different reasons, but Gutfield, Stossel, Cavuto, and Baier are pretty cool. 
