CamstunPWG187
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Wrestlecrap changes a 17 year rule because of House of Horrors
http://www.wrestlecrap.com/inductions/induction-houseofhorrors/
For 17 years, WC never once inducted something in the same calendar year. This week, he's immediately going after The House Of Horrors
match.
Truly, it's one of the few things that would really deserve such a breaking of a 17 year-old rule.
It was truly corny, one of those segments that truly makes you glad you are the only one in the room watching it if you are lucky enough.
How high up there is it on your shitlist of wrestling segments?
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williamssl
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And to think...they didn't even reference the "he shaved on the way to the arena" part.
Don't Mess With Texas
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Jazzman
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Been watching since mid-1980s. Can't think of anything worse.
Perhaps not surprisingly, a runner-up would have to be the WCW Chamber of Horrors match. An atrocity I once thought could never be matched.
Lesson - expect anything "of Horrors" to be horrible.
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williamssl
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I only have WWE context - never watched TNA or WCW.
This is probably #2 on my list behind the Huckster/Nacho Man crap we were subjected to leading up to and culminating at WM 12.
House of Horrors, for its many many many many many faults, was at least anchored in a wrestling match and existing storyline between 2 on-roster
wrestlers.
Huckster/Nacho was all Vince and his ego trying to defend his 'crown' against the deep pockets of Ted Turner and Ted's bringing many
"old and over the hill" wrestlers over to WCW.
OMG was it bad.
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Count Zero
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Can anybody confirm/deny that Michael Hayes was behind the Chamber Of Horrors?
I'm just taking a wild leap of not-logic here, but.. Maybe that's his move, Maggle?
"It's a WWE tradition, to do something un-right." --Paddlefoot
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Flash
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Yup, the HOH match was pretty bad, and I do think it has a lot going for it as just about the worst thing that wrestling has subjected its audience
to.
What probably puts it really high on the list has got to be because they played it totally straight... had they done something that was a wink to the
camera then it might have worked as something fun where production errors (daytime real time, taped at night... a real time fight with multiple camera
angles that reaked of over-production) and just dumb stuff could have come off as campy fun ... worse still the WWE clearly had NO IDEA what the hell
this match was going to be while selling it as a thing, as they were sending out surveys asking what we thought the match would be... so yeah...
shitty match, shitty production, AND exposes that the WWE has no idea what they are doing at least some of the time.
You could throw out stuff like Robocop saving Sting from the cage... that was bad, but wasn't WCW pandering to kids at that time? You also have
stuff like the SHOCKMASTER (which feels like you should be obligated to say Muahahahahaha after it)... yeah silver spray painted stormtrooper helmet
as a gimmick is pretty bad, but the most memorable stuff about that was spontaneous and accidental... You could go with the Gobbledygooker as a case
of... well, even just a giant mystery egg alone was head scratching... or the character Meat and the domestic violence angle... there's plenty
of offensive to pick from... but again the HOH was built up with no idea as to what it would be and then executed as something truly terrible.
I'm hard pressed to think of something worse... more offensive maybe; but here's the thing about that match.... that match will now
forever follow Bray Wyatt career as an asterisk; Randy's 15 year career is long and varied enough that this match won't be hurt by it;
but this feud will be the follow up comment to any discussion about Bray's first (and probably only) title win... You now can't talk about
Bray Wyatt without first thinking about 1. Gibberish promo's 2. That they though Husky Harris was a good idea... 3. The wasted potential of his
gimmick... but above all else this match.
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lz4005
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quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Can anybody confirm/deny that Michael Hayes was behind the Chamber Of Horrors?
According to Austin and Edge, Hayes has been pitching that match for over 10 years.
[Edited on 5-6-2017 by lz4005]
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Paddlefoot
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I'm guessing that Orton shaved as some form of protest at being involved in that POS segment. He knew that the smarks would pick up on it
immediately and get enraged by it, while Vince & Bukukky are probably too out of it to even notice. Kind of like in a real crappy movie where
someone's gone from a black shirt to a white one in the same scene and the director is too fucking stupid to pick up on it.
This might be giving Orton too much credit but that episode was so awful even the most obtuse person in the world (i.e. Randy) that is unfortunate to
get involved with something like that is probably quite well aware as to how mind-bogglingly ridiculous it can turn out to be.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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Count Zero
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quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Can anybody confirm/deny that Michael Hayes was behind the Chamber Of Horrors?
According to Austin and Edge, Hayes has been pitching that match for over 10 years.
[Edited on 5-6-2017 by lz4005]
I meant the WCW Chamber Of Horrors referred to above. Basically, was Hayes ever behind-the-scenes at WCW? If
so, was it at that period in time? Maybe he's been all about "Of Horrors" all this time, due to some kind of Oxycodone-flavored, swamp-gas
induced redneck nightmare.
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SpiNNeR72
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There were a few comparable things in the dying days of WCW, it degree of shiteness at least, however this was by far the worst concept and execution
WWE has done in my memory ('80s loyal fan)
However it was a fucking match of the year candidate compared to the crap TNA recently did with the Hardys, so I have a sense of dread now they are
back in WWE 
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Slade
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Michael Hayes was employed by WCW at the time that the Chamber of Horrors match took place. He was still an active wrestler in 1991. I have no idea
how much influence he may have had backstage. It is possible that he may have pitched the idea to the booking committee. It is also just as likely
that it was someone else's idea, but he loved it so much that he has been clamoring to have WWE recycle the concept for the past 15-20 years.
The House of Horrors was terrible. The best part of the entire match was Jinder Mahal. That's how bad it was.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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First 9
The Rowdy One
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Personally, Cole vs King at WM is the shittiest thing I've ever seen from WWE. Michael fucking Cole hanging in the ring with Lawler, who had
competed the WWE Championship the ppv before, was beyond idiotic. It's still over personalities so the crowd pops for Lawler's win but
then they shit over that by having the laptop GM give the win to Cole.
On paper, the House of Horrors was the stupidest idea they had but atleast it all lead to a standard, boring match. While the WM27 match took a solid
idea, fan favorite punkingout a weasly non-wrestler, and went out of there way to make an unwatchable piece of crap.
Yeah, it's a bit eye-rolling how part timers come every WM to steal the spotlight but Jesus atleast we've moved on from the days of the
part timers like Can't wrestle but booked to wrestle Bret Hart and Maggle.
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G. Jonah Jameson
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It's not the highest bar, I admit, but I'd consider the House of Horrors better than the Kennel from Hell.
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Flash
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Kennel from Hell was definitely an all time low for the WWE, but I think the one thing that might have "saved" that match was that Ross knew it was
terrible and said as much during the match (I think the exact quote was bowling shoe ugly). The other thing is that I think a lot of its badness was
that they tried to sell something that was beyond their control, or at least just terribly executed with the drugged up dogs pissed, shot, and humped
their ways around the ring in the background as poor Snow and Bossman tried to figure out the hell to do not only inside of a cage match, but a cage
surrounded by a HITC.
The weird thing though is that while the Kennel from Hell match was meant to be a serious thing, it was almost a fitting end to a semi-serious feud
which included dog kidnappings, and Bossman feeding Pepper the pooch to Snow.
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Count Zero
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by Slade
Michael Hayes was employed by WCW at the time that the Chamber of Horrors match took place. He was still an active wrestler in 1991. I have no idea
how much influence he may have had backstage. It is possible that he may have pitched the idea to the booking committee. It is also just as likely
that it was someone else's idea, but he loved it so much that he has been clamoring to have WWE recycle the concept for the past 15-20 years.
The House of Horrors was terrible. The best part of the entire match was Jinder Mahal. That's how bad it was.
That's the sorta
info I was looking for. Gratzi! Based on a very tenuous link, I'm choosing to think EVERYTHING OF HORRORS is directly caused by Michael PS
Hayes. 
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GodEatGod
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I will say this: while it was horridly executed and obviously terrible, I still don't mind them -trying- to do the occasional outside the box
idea. I mean, as stupid as this was, I wasn't bored by it - I would take it over watching, say, Taker-Giant Gonzalez ever again. Sure, most of
my enjoyment was laughing, but I can't say I didn't get entertainment value out of it, intentional or otherwise.
[Edited on 5-7-2017 by GodEatGod]
"It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don't like something, it is empirically not good. I don't like
Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Can anybody confirm/deny that Michael Hayes was behind the Chamber Of Horrors?
According to Austin and Edge, Hayes has been pitching that match for over 10 years.
[Edited on 5-6-2017 by lz4005]
I meant the WCW Chamber Of Horrors referred to above. Basically, was Hayes ever behind-the-scenes at WCW? If
so, was it at that period in time? Maybe he's been all about "Of Horrors" all this time, due to some kind of Oxycodone-flavored, swamp-gas
induced redneck nightmare.
Dusty Rhodes was the brainchild of the Chamber of Horrors in WCW. On the "Worst Characters" episode of
Legends of Wrestling, Dusty explains how he came up with the idea. Incidentally, Hayes was on the same episode and he pretty clearly thought it was
bad.
[Edited on 5-7-2017 by royberto]
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Slade
The Great One
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I'd like to know what made him think it would be a much better idea if only you replaced the wrestling ring with a house.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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Paddlefoot
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Someone really should contact the Crap and let them know about the shaving. They'd probably appreciate it just because it makes it that much
more stupid/insane/last-episode-of-Seinfeld*-levels-of-brilliance. At this point it's best to consider the entire thing as some sort of
LSD-induced madness, with Orton stopping to shave being the moment when the acid peaked.
* except this time Bray was the fat guy getting laughed at while his dignity was robbed
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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punkerhardcore
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House of Horrors was awful, no doubt. But to act like it was the worst thing to come around in two decades is just fucking absurd. There's
been countless other things as bad or worse than it.
This is just emblematic of today's internet culture where the newest thing is always "omg best/worst thing ever in the history of space and
time!"
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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janerd75
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quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
House of Horrors was awful, no doubt. But to act like it was the worst thing to come around in two decades is just fucking absurd. There's
been countless other things as bad or worse than it.
This is just emblematic of today's internet culture where the newest thing is always "omg best/worst thing ever in the history of space and
time!"
...Bippity Boo and Skibbity Bop or whatever the fuck. - punkerhardcornette
BRAY WYATT'S SPOOKY DOOKY VARIETY HOUR - Illy P.
I expect a company that's basically a cluster of jock shitheads to act like a place that's run by a cluster of jock shitheads. - P. Foot,
Esq.
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williamssl
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Ah yes the "most recent is most ________" effect. I don't know how many college football games of the century we have already had a mere 17
years into this one, but it's definitely a number a lot bigger than 1.
The fact that I'm the only one mentioning the damn Nacho Man/Huckster/Billionaire Ted shit suggests that no one here has seen that, and
definitely didn't see it play out weekly on our poor TV's and then get a spot at Wrestlefrickinmania of all things. That and that
I'm old. But also the former.
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punkerhardcore
American Dream
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quote:
Originally posted by williamsslThe fact that I'm the only one mentioning the damn Nacho Man/Huckster/Billionaire Ted shit suggests
that no one here has seen that, and definitely didn't see it play out weekly on our poor TV's and then get a spot at Wrestlefrickinmania
of all things. That and that I'm old. But also the former.
Oh, I definitely remember those terrible skits playing out weekly.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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Count Zero
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Ah yes the "most recent is most ________" effect. I don't know how many college football games of the century we have already had a mere 17
years into this one, but it's definitely a number a lot bigger than 1.
The fact that I'm the only one mentioning the damn Nacho Man/Huckster/Billionaire Ted shit suggests that no one here has seen that, and
definitely didn't see it play out weekly on our poor TV's and then get a spot at Wrestlefrickinmania of all things. That and that
I'm old. But also the former.
I saw it, because I too am OOld.
I just figure it's no more/less unfunny than half the skits on a run of the mill SNL. No, that doesn't make it
defensible-as-part-of-wrestling, but.. There's lots of petty/make-fun-of-the-other-guy comedy out there. Other bad things stand out more to me
because they were the proof of "this particular bad thing" being a terrible idea and that's why nobody else did it.
For example, Hey! Why don't we bury Paul Bearer alive in cement! Nobody's done THAT before! *plan proceeds as planned and then* Oh.
Right. -THAT's- why nobody's done that before. Ugh. 
eta: It's interesting that you bring up the Recency Effect,
which has been a thing since humans started doing stuff. I'm sure there was a caveman who once said "Ug make greatest fire in world!" "This
is the greatest thing since Sliced Bread." "Biggest World's Fair Ever!!!" "The Happiest Place On Earth!" etcetera. In fact, it's
almost another example of the theory when people say "this generation is the most hyperbolic EVER!!!" 
[Edited on 5-7-2017 by Count Zero]
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Flash
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The Nacho Man/Huckster/Billionaire Ted skits actually started out fairly well received... which was in terms of the product just about the worst thing
imaginable as Vince threw a great deal of promotion, time, and money that he did not have at the time into them; and pissed of some of his biggest
allies at USA in doing so... and then kept going on and on with them well past the initial chuckle-worthiness that the first might have induced.
You could also add Adam and George to the list of what were they thinking... I'm really not sure why scores of minutes were devoted to two
"superfans" wandering around the basement of an arena, or sitting in the arena telling everyone how psyched they were to be going to whatever
event.
We're now a week removed from the HOH match; and I think my stance on it has softened a bit... I still think it will be an albatross for Bray
simply because it was effectively his first title feud (think Swagger getting jobbed out repeatedly to Mysterio)... and I don't think you can
talk about him winning the title without talking about the HOH match... mind you there may be hope yet as Miz first feud as champ was Lawler (which
seemed to be staged to set up the Cole/Lawler feud, and then was overshadowed by the Rock/Cena stuff)... I just at this point with Wyatt being as
injury prone/cursed as what he is, and promos that go nowhere is more apt to follow the Swagger path... time will tell though.
There was a lot wrong with the HOH match; and I think it will be the modern low tide measuring stick... like I said in the other post the WWE has
definitely done more offensive stuff that might win out as worst ever... this was them trying something new but probably in just about the worst way
possible.
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