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I really don't think Sheamus will beat Cena, but a tables match definitely leaves the possibility for screwy shenanigans (like the classic spot
of Cena putting Sheamus through a table, the ref not seeing it, and then Sheamus puts Cena through a table and wins). I think Cena retains, but I just
think there's a small chance the WWE gets really wacky and puts the belt on Sheamus. And does anyone know if Sheamus has set the record for
quickest rise to a PPV world title shot (I can't remember how fast Lesnar did it)?
I really enjoyed the rest of the show as well. Cena/Punk was really good and it almost made me wish the WWE had held off the match until a later time,
when it could be done on PPV. And Punk actually looked good in the match, I thought for sure it would be over when Cena locked him into the STF.
And call me crazy, but with the beard, long hair, and similar ring attire, I'm getting a modern day Randy Savage vibe right now from Punk (just
minus the insanity, of course).
Too bad the Hart Dynasty jobbed out to DX pretty quickly, but really no shock there. And the DX vs. JeriShow announcement kind of came from out of
nowhere, but I like it. It will be interesting to see if DX wins the titles, since the PPV is in Shawn's hometown. Oh yeah, and I really liked
the backstage segment between Shawn and Triple H and the revelation that Triple H would have pedigreed Michaels if he hadn't been superkicked
first.
All in all, I really liked tonight's show and thought it was the best RAW effort in a while (though a lot of that is due to having three hours
and access to Smackdown's roster). I'll go 3.7, which may be the highest rating I've given RAW since we started the ratings thing.
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mooseheadjack
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For the most part, I really liked all things Jesse tonight.
For the most part, I was really bored with everything else tonight.
I will wait and see with Sheamus. I like the idea of them pushing someone new, I don't like the idea of just feeding him to Cena. We'll
see how it goes.
I did think it was funny how revolutionary = pretty much everything we have come to expect from the WWE
my RAW rating: 1.0
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SeanSmythe
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Lesnar's push was April to August. Sheamus was whenever he debuted on ECW to now.
I think DX will win it, based on Jericho's "DX has never been Champs before" and with Show's injury also playing a factor.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by DrBoz
Dude, Lucky almost gave RAW a 4.0.
RAW!!!
What more do you want?
Word. There's tons of positive comments in this thread including from some very unlikely sources like myself. Unreasonable cynicism and
constantly moving the goalposts CAN be a "typical IWC" flaw. You know what else is "typical IWC"?
quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Same old damn IWC.
'No more Cena vs Orton! Push the new guys!'
*Orton enters battle royale*
'AHHHH NOOO!'
*Sheamus wins*
'Sheamus is being pushed way too fast.'
Can't anyone ever say anything nice. Figures.
quote:
Originally posted by chewey
Sheamus gets catapulted into a PPV main event after very little build up on Raw...
...IWC whines the next morning that it's only because of his friendship with Triple H that he gets this shot.
Typical "anti-smark" sentiment that either isolates negative comments ignoring the positive ones, makes stuff up to use as strawmen, or exaggerates
reality all to undermine people who don't just universally praise a show but rather address it critically.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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nobledictator
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Hogan left a impression on me on one of his promo's he cut...I believe he cut it on the Rock.
Shemus just screams flavor of the month to me. There is absolutely 0% chance he will win the match. I like the idea of having a fresh
challenger...but I would have went with someone a bit more credible than that. MVP....or Swagger probably Swagger. Shemus to me screams someone that
won't even be on the roster next year.
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nOOb
The Rowdy One
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I tuned in at the end of Raw and caught the Battle Royal, and two things:
1) Vince McMahon is tons better at announcing than what little I've heard of Cole and Lawler together (which isn't much, but the
consensus is that it's a bit worse than the opinion I got of them, which is still pretty bad). Maybe a bit of it was nostalgia, but I was still
tuned in.
2) From what little I've seen of Sheamus, and from WWE's history of doing this exact same thing, I don't know how anyone considers
Sheamus to be getting a push. He's main eventing one PPV. He'll probably not be back in that spot for close to, if not over, a year
after he loses.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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DevilSoprano
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Because when was the last time anyone outside the usual circle of performers main evented a WWE PPV. For almost 3 years now it's been some
rotation of Cena, Orton, HHH, HBK, Bats, Rey, Taker, Edge, and then the somewhat "recent" additions of Punk and Hardy. It's a group EVERYONE
is tired of and Sheamus is at least new. Added to the Kofi push as well as the McIntyre and Morrison pushes on Smackdown, it's something
I'm at least willing to give the benefit of the doubt to.
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cardscott5
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The last person I remember getting a title match out of nowhere on Raw was Khali, so Sheamus is good in my book. I thought they would spice up the
battle royal a little more. Sheamus was the only logical choice to win, because you had to know Kofi or Orton would take the other out. I too felt a
wave of nostalgia for McMahon and Ventura on commentary.
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williamssl
Steers and Queers
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Maryse returning and using the Gobbledygooker to do so (and throwing various costume parts at Melina to boot)...victory for Raw.
Don't Mess With Texas
Hi ,awesome post! Good thing ive'd drop by this thread. Nice guide for newbies like me. Hope to see more posts soon. Thanks again!
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Chris Is Good517
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Personally I thought Raw was great for the most part. I'm not cool with Jack Swagger suddenly turning into a jobber (what happened to the
Miz-Swagger thing, anyway?), but everything else was gravy.
As for Sheamus, I'm thrilled to be getting some new blood in the main event, even if he does seem like more of a temporary distraction than any
real threat to the title. You never know, maybe they'll even be ballsy enough to let him win the title at TLC and have Cena win it back at the
Rumble- but that would be the only scenario where he'd get the title. We're too close to WrestleMania for them to do a long-term
experiment with an unproven commodity and I don't think 4 months is really enough time to build him as the marketable draw that they think Orton
is. But I can see him either a) beating Cena for the belt and losing it back at the Rumble or b) beating Cena (or losing to Cena) by a count-out or DQ
or something flukey that will protect both guys then going on to win MitB at Mania.
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so if you got anything to say to me you can say it to my motherfuckin' face or send me a mother- (pause) or hit me up on my motherfuckin'
MySpace. I ain't scare and this little bitch right here will fuckin' kill yo ass. NICK-GAH. So if you have anything to say you can say it
to... (pause) me. (pause). And if you wanna bump let's go cause I ain't scared of yo motherfucking ass, aight, bitch, latah.
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punkerhardcore
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I can't even remember the last time Raw surprised me like that. Once Orton was (stupidly) allowed into the battle royal-- especially since
Legacy was in there, too-- I figured it was a forgone conclusion that he was going to win. Crazy to think that just a few weeks ago, we were all
wondering if Sheamus was going to get lost in the shuffle moving to Raw... and now he's going to be main eventing a PPV against John Cena.
That's pretty incredible to me, considering the fed never seems to take chances like this.
I also agree that he can absolutely still come out of this match looking great, without necessarily having to win. If he can stand toe-to-toe with
Cena and look like a complete bad ass, and his equal, then he comes off as a legit threat in the future. There have been lots of times where losers
came out looking awesome. Remember the Jeff Hardy/Undertaker ladder match back in 2002?
I like the show quite a bit tonight. Kofi and Orton are continuing their feud-- with Kofi AGAIN getting the upper hand on Orton! Cena vs. Punk was
good, and hopefully they'll fight again sometime. DX vs. Harts should have been drawn out a bit more-- and definitely should have had some
mention to the history of Michaels vs. the Hart Foundation-- but it was ok for what it was. Maryse returning has me very happy. And the punchline of
the food fight bit with Santino smashing the cake into Vickie's face was awesome.
It gets a 4.3 from me.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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Gobshite
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I'm amazed you all assume Sheamus has ZERO chance of winning. He has one MASSIVE chance here: It's going to be tables, or a TLC match. A
match where he can't get disqualified, and there's a main event player who can't have a title shot as long as Cena is champ. I
don't own a crystal ball, but I see mass amounts of shennanigans in this one. I see him as only a bit part player in this, but its better than
having him lose cleanly. I see it going one of two ways:
Legacy interfere, and superman Cena retains. If its a ladder match, this would be a good outcome.
Interference leads to Sheamus winning, and being champ for one night - losing it back to Cena, or to Orton. It wouldn't suprise me if we get
this, with Cena winning the title back, thus forcing Orton into the rumble to win a shot at the title at Wrestlemania.
In any event, this won't be as clean cut as you all fear it will be. Whether Sheamus benefits from this is a completely different story.
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Lurker
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The longer....and further away Orton is from the title picture, the happier I am.
Didn't catch the whole show, only the 2nd hour and some change, Ventura flubbed a line here and there, but was more entertaining than nearly
every other "Guest Host" thus far. I wanted to catch both him and Vince doing commentary, as I've got some fond memories of the days when
they did it for a living (I'm one of those 38 year olds that Rick had been talking about in his recent columns) and from the talk here, it looks
as tho I might have missed some nice mic work.
(I almost said Vintage WWF Commentary, but LORD KNOWS we've heard enuff of THAT word.)
Guess it's Youtube time to see...
also, I agree with whomever said Vince + Red Bowtie = 5.0 rating.
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chewey
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
quote:
Originally posted by chewey
Sheamus gets catapulted into a PPV main event after very little build up on Raw...
...IWC whines the next morning that it's only because of his friendship with Triple H that he gets this shot.
Typical "anti-smark" sentiment that either isolates negative comments ignoring the positive ones, makes stuff up to use as strawmen, or exaggerates
reality all to undermine people who don't just universally praise a show but rather address it critically.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by LuckyLopez]
Yeah, I was joking about that, although I've already seen that comment on message boards elsewhere, which kind of makes me roll my eyes.
"Don't matter how many times you get burnt, you just keep doin' the same."
--Bodie, HBO's The Wire
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TomS
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Jesse and Vince on commentary was certainly nothing special, but my God it was good to hear just for old times sake.
I've never been the biggest fan of Maryse, but I was definitely warming up to her before she got injured. Shame her return was such a turkey
(yes, yes, I know). Those hits with the Gobbledegooker head were terrible looking... But what else would you expect from a prop like that? Melina and
Maryse must have been laughing backstage at the ridiculousness of it all.
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jmble
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I don't think this feud is going to be just a one off shot here, which means Sheamus may just have a chance at a one month title run.
The way I see it, the Rumble ppv almost always has one competitor for the title who is a little less than main event, to get as many main eventers
into the Rumble as possible.
I'm just surprised most of you haven't seen this little nugget coming. There is certainly one loophole in the whole Orton can't
face Cena for the title again, and that is coming up at the next ppv. Tell me who a more likely option to win the Rumble is than Orton?
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by jmble]
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theflammablemanimal
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I don't think Sheamus wins, but a table match is the perfect way to protect him. It's not like he'll be getting pinned or tapping to
SSTF.
However, that Battle Royale was pretty boring for the 1st 10 minutes and didn't make much sense. Why were Kofi, Truth, Henry, MVP fighting
amongst each other when Legacy (and other white guys) were still in the ring? I know, I know, every man for himself but wouldn't they fight
together to eliminate the bad guys before they attack each other? Moronic. Especially since they started off the match by clearly setting up the face
v heel (and black v white) dynamic.
And I've got to second all the talk about the boring choice of competitors. 1st of all, only 1 Smackdown guy? How about putting in someone who
could have made Batista's threat credible? (nice promo by the way). 2nd, how do Swagger/Miz/Morrison not get in this match or even get to
try?
I would have rather seen Legacy fight each other ealier, with Ted winning and possibly setting up his face turn.
Also, what I really wanted to see was Bourne or Swagger chairshotting Orton on the way to the ring and taking his spot. Now that would have been
awesome and set up another Orton feud with a talented newcomer and pushed off his Kofi feud a bit. I think they could really draw the Kofi/Orton feud
out and keep having Kofi cost Orton title shots. For example, I would have had Swagger/Bourne take Orton out and they could have a match at TLC. Then
Kofi eliminates Orton at the Rumble. They wind up in an Elimination Chamber at NWO and Orton eliminates Kofi but loses. Orton gets into MITB and gets
taken out by Kofi. Then you have the big blowoff match at Backlash. Instead, we'll probably just get a series of singles matches.
A chair match at TLC sounds like the worst match ever. How is that better than No DQ? I'm guessing Taker/Batista gets the chair match since
Taker seems to be too crippled to do anything else.
So, up and down show and I think it was a huge mistake putting so MVP, Henry, and Legacy into the main event, but the whole Breakthrough thing was
excited and they are pushing a new guy, which should be interesting.
4.0
EDIT:
Wait, the return of Maryse's boobies means an instant 5.0. (and the Gooker shot sounded like it hurt because she got her with the beak)
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by theflammablemanimal]
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gobbledygooker
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Anyone else feel old as hell watching HBK wrestle Bulldog's kid while remembering pretty clearly HBK tearing down the house with Bulldog, which
seems like it can't have been 13-14 years ago already but actually has?
Anyone else think this probably makes Shawn feel really fuckin old?
I did! I did! Agreed on both parts and yes, I was thinking that exact thing seeing Bulldog Jr. coming down the aisle with Shawn (and HHH too, to a
certain extent) standing in the ring.
My only other thought on the show for now is that Jesse and Vince were hilarious backstage but I didn't enjoy their commentary as much as I
thought I would. Granted, they were both obviously rusty as hell but it just seemed like there was some real animosity between them that was coming
out in their announcing. And knowing Vince and his probable relationships with many of his former coworkers, it wouldn't surprise me at all if
there is animosity between them.
Still, I freakin' LOVED when they showed that montage of all the one-liners from Vince and Jesse back in the day. Those were all gold.
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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williamssl
Steers and Queers
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I also liked Jesse's interactions with Orton.
"I like what you do.
I like that you retire these old guys that oughtta be retired. ...
So keep up the great work. Keep retiring these guys. You're doing a great job."
Don't Mess With Texas
Hi ,awesome post! Good thing ive'd drop by this thread. Nice guide for newbies like me. Hope to see more posts soon. Thanks again!
Regards,
cherrydews
Pret voiture
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gobbledygooker
The Rowdy One
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Isn't it funny how the majority of the guest hosts they've had who have a background in wrestling (Jesse, obviously, and Dusty Rhodes come
to mind) have been awesome and the majority of the guest hosts who don't have a background in wrestling (Jeremy Piven and the Nascar guys come
to mind, just to name a few) have, by and large, SUCKED?
Funny how that works!
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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hail2thesteve
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
Isn't it funny how the majority of the guest hosts they've had who have a background in wrestling (Jesse, obviously, and Dusty Rhodes come
to mind) have been awesome and the majority of the guest hosts who don't have a background in wrestling (Jeremy Piven and the Nascar guys come
to mind, just to name a few) have, by and large, SUCKED?
Funny how that works!
I think it's funnier (and sadder) that these old timers who largely have been absent from the wrestling scene for years are cutting these great
promos from the heart while the current generation of superstars are being shackled by scripts.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by hail2thesteve]
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knuckleballschwartz
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Ventura was awesome. I think the thing I really liked was how he gave his "character" motivation ie change/revolution/a sense of injustice about his
own past treatment as opposed to just being heelish for the sake of it.
The misspelling of governor confused the hell out of me - one minute it was wrong and by the time I'd worked out why it looked funny it was
right again.
Did maryse's gooker disrobing go wrong or was the plan for her to struggle with her boots and stuff? either way it was hilarious and she handled
it pretty well. I particularly liked her holding king at bay with the palm of doom.
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theflammablemanimal
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I like how Batista has only been heel for a month and he's already being booked as a coward.
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blackdragon
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WWE only knows how to book two heels: monsters that don't talk and destroy jobbers until Cena beats them or ultimate opportunists/pussies.
There's really no inbetween.
A ho fucks everybody. A bitch fucks everybody but you.
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desjr001
And I am AWESOME
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
I like how Batista has only been heel for a month and he's already being booked as a coward.
I so disagree. He is, to quote the Rick, The Logical Monster and he will destroy Kane on his way through the Taker. Then who are we looking at for for
his challenger into WM? A returning face Edge would be my best guess.
I too laughed at the cakeface punchline on Vicky. As soon as I did it, I went to myself..."OMG did I actually emit a guffaw?".
4.0 for me. I had fun.
Opinions are like assholes,
everybody's got one.
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