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posted on 1-22-2010 at 06:09 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Man, if Kong and Flash are gone, how many others are gonna leave as well? They still have plenty of decent women on the roster, but those are two I'd hate to see go if it's really true. I'm also afraid that, with Kong leaving, Hamada is left out in the cold and gets forgotten or just chooses to leave as well. THAT one would piss me off if it were to happen.

I know there's no Impact thread yet, but am I right in remembering there was only one Knockouts match tonight (TBP)? That's not a good sign, although granted it was only one week.





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Speechless. Not even a month in and the Hogan cancer's well on it's way to killing TNA. Fuck. Just fuck.


Die Hogan. Die, you fucking skullet-wearing Jersey Shore reject. You fucking no talent hack with your talentless fucking whore children, one of whom btw is basically a murderer.

You orange fuck. I was willing to let a lot of shit slide with you. I was willing to let it slide that you basically turned a hugely talented locker room into a fucking geriatric home because you think you have to prominently display everybody who has ever sucked your balls and lied to you to make you think your tiny orange dick is bigger than what you would find on your average hamster. I was willing to let it slide that you would bring in a hack like Orlando Jordan and actually have the audacity to put him over people because he let you fuck him in the ass and pretended to like it. I was willing to let it slide that you're determined to destroy this company inside a year by being delusional enough to think you can beat McMahon head-to-head although anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell you that TNA is still a good two or three years away from being in a position where that should even be discussed. I was willing to let it slide that your daughter is an ugly tranny that people only pretend is important because of your last name. I was willing to let it slide that you brought in your inbred hillbilly radio friend that literally everyone on earth with the sole exception of you would like to see slowly eaten alive by hungry raccoons. I was willing to let it slide that you're still desperately hanging on in an industry where nobody has asked to see you in about six years now. I was willing to let it slide that Dixie Carter is apparently stupid enough to think you're still a big deal even though you're arguably the second worst fake fighter in the entire history of fake fighting and the only guy you were ever willing to put over totally clean is the one guy who was a worse fake fighter than you in a match that gets widely regarded as "pretty good" merely by being "nowhere near the unwatchable shit fest it was expected to be". I was willing to let it slide that you are apparently oblivious to the fact that you are well over 50 years old but continue trying to act like you are your kids' age. I was going to let all that shit slide, you worthless fuck.

But then Alyssa walks out on your watch. That is unacceptable, my friend, and for this I hope that you are savagely raped by the reanimated corpses of all the 80s guys that you refused to ever look good against you, and then you are hung by your ballsack with piano wire and left to suffer for days before somebody finally finishes you off by bashing your face in with a shovel.

Bischoff can stay, though. I like him.





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posted on 1-22-2010 at 06:18 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Uhhh, OK, so no Impact thread, perhaps.... but already an Impact Recap, if you're paying attention to the important bits of the site~!

http://www.oowrestling.com/features/20100121.shtml

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PS: You're basically right in your assumptions regarding Knockouts on tonight's show... and as an added bonus: PLENTY of airtime for Bubba the Sperm Absorber! Wheee?





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Bookmarked Chris's last post for early potential 2010 Flame of the Year candidate...





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posted on 1-22-2010 at 02:38 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'm glad that Kong slugged him. Sure it was illegal and she should be handcuffed, but that doesn't mean I can't be happy she did it. Now, playing a bit of devil's advocate, isn't the heat the Bubba is bringing a good thing? Seriously, doesn't it always boil down to getting a reaction from the largest number of people possible? The guy has a (sucky but) national radio show, and every time he says TNA is one more instance of free advertising. Granted maybe he is sending the wrong message... actually, he CLEARLY is sending the wrong message... but doesn't the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad press" seem to fit here?

Also, Chris, I hear you. All of your Hogan related points are valid, but since he came on I bought my first TNA pay per view, so like it or not, the guy does draw money from some people.

As for Impact... wow... Angle might be the best actor on cable television. Holy crap. Even with the fact that I am 100% sure I would have heard that his contract was up, I believed... or at least he made me WANT to believe. That tirade at the end was awesome. Say what you want about Hogan's cronies, but TNA has done something over the last month that the WWE has not done in years... make me feel like anything can happen.

Even while appologizing for WWE one of my gripes with their product was how their 5 hours of television each week is really nothing more then 25 different shows that rarely intersect. As an example... Kofi feuds with Orton and Legacy while Jerishow is feuding with DX. At no point do I recall a Kofi-Orton brawl, promo, match or even segment in general, randomly intersect with the other top feud, however TNA has done this a lot lately. Hogan feuds with Jarrett, who has problems with Angle, who has issues with AJ, who is aligned with Flair, who is also feuding with Hogan, who is aligned with Bischoff, who is aligned with Hall, Nash, and Syxx Pac, who are all feuding with Foley, etc.. I basically have no idea what may happen next, while I can more or less tell you what is going to happen next 85% of the time on Raw, Smackdown or ECW.

Lastly... 1 dollar says Dixie Carter screwed Kurt Angle, not Hogan.





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Die Hogan. Die, you fucking skullet-wearing Jersey Shore reject. You fucking no talent hack with your talentless fucking whore children, one of whom btw is basically a murderer.

You orange fuck. I was willing to let a lot of shit slide with you. I was willing to let it slide that you basically turned a hugely talented locker room into a fucking geriatric home because you think you have to prominently display everybody who has ever sucked your balls and lied to you to make you think your tiny orange dick is bigger than what you would find on your average hamster. I was willing to let it slide that you would bring in a hack like Orlando Jordan and actually have the audacity to put him over people because he let you fuck him in the ass and pretended to like it. I was willing to let it slide that you're determined to destroy this company inside a year by being delusional enough to think you can beat McMahon head-to-head although anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell you that TNA is still a good two or three years away from being in a position where that should even be discussed. I was willing to let it slide that your daughter is an ugly tranny that people only pretend is important because of your last name. I was willing to let it slide that you brought in your inbred hillbilly radio friend that literally everyone on earth with the sole exception of you would like to see slowly eaten alive by hungry raccoons. I was willing to let it slide that you're still desperately hanging on in an industry where nobody has asked to see you in about six years now. I was willing to let it slide that Dixie Carter is apparently stupid enough to think you're still a big deal even though you're arguably the second worst fake fighter in the entire history of fake fighting and the only guy you were ever willing to put over totally clean is the one guy who was a worse fake fighter than you in a match that gets widely regarded as "pretty good" merely by being "nowhere near the unwatchable shit fest it was expected to be". I was willing to let it slide that you are apparently oblivious to the fact that you are well over 50 years old but continue trying to act like you are your kids' age. I was going to let all that shit slide, you worthless fuck.

But then Alyssa walks out on your watch. That is unacceptable, my friend, and for this I hope that you are savagely raped by the reanimated corpses of all the 80s guys that you refused to ever look good against you, and then you are hung by your ballsack with piano wire and left to suffer for days before somebody finally finishes you off by bashing your face in with a shovel.

Bischoff can stay, though. I like him.


While I agree one million percent with everything you said, the upside of Flash going to WWE (if she does) is better pictorials. I've harped on TNA's suckass picture section for 3 years and it doesn't get better. At least if Flash goes there, she'll have 250 hot pictures up in no time - so there's that.

Small consolation, though. She was my favorite knockout. I think Velvet's hotter and I think Hamada's a better worker and I think Wilde gives better interviews, but she was a close second in all those categories making her just an all around great catch. I want to massage her injured foot while we sit on the couch making fun of Raw and drinking a nice steam beer.





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It depends on your definition of "Anything Can Happen". Because if you're definition is "Wrestler B can totally beat Wrestler A instead of the obvious A beating B", then TNA was already there, because they did have their matches setup where anyone could beat anyone else. But if "Anything Can Happen" means one second you're having a match and the next everyone on the roster is out having a cookout, then yeah, I guess this new TNA can have that feeling.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up on TNA yet. It's just that the reason most of us like TNA is because it's not WWE. I can't watch WWE anymore because I feel six times as dumb as I should feel for watching a show that predominantly features to grown men in spandex walking through a choreographed fight when I do. TNA, at least, made a bit of sense when I watched it and just seemed like a typical pro wrestling show, where you didn't care that you felt dumb watching it.

And that said, if TNA were to devolve into a show similar to what Raw is now, I would simply stop watching pro wrestling and completely stop caring that I did immediately afterwords. It would just be a shame that TNA did get dumbed down.





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doesn't the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad press" seem to fit here?


No it doesn't. It's a stupid phrases made up by stupid people and used stupidly to excuse stupid behavior. Ask Tiger Woods how his recent slate free publicity is working out for him.

Kong and Flash leaving probably isn't a deal breaker for most fans, but the loss of two good workers is a sign of what may yet come-- namely, the erosion of what was a pretty nice roster due to personal politics. The most worrying thing here is that there's not a strong management hand there to set things right when outside conflicts cause tension between employees. I'd always thought that Dixie Carter seemed like she was pretty good at doing that, but Hogan may be fucking with that.

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Ask Tiger Woods how his recent slate free publicity is working out for him.

a sign of what may yet come-- namely, the erosion of what was a pretty nice roster


To respond to those two points specifically. Are you more or less likely to tune into Tiger's first golf tournament when he comes back? Answer it honestly. Even if you hate everything that he has become, the world is MUCH more INTERESTED in him then ever before. Much like TNA's rabid fan base, Hogan is going on the theory seemingly that the hardcore fans will always be there. He is trying to appeal to a far wider ranging fan base of casual fans. In Tiger's case, his big time fans will still be big time fans and tune in regardless. However the angry soccermom types will also tune in more because they will be rooting for him to lose. Once again, everyone is more INTERESTED. So, agree to disagree I guess.

The funniest part of the Tiger story will be after he wins his next major and we get 30 days of hype packages saying how great a story it is, because ESPN is run by people with A-D-D.

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While personally I wouln't have put over Orlando Jordan over the Pope, I have no issue with Morely going over Daniels on the Pay Per View. There were many cases on the PPV where former WWE guys lost to a TNA guy and one of the only WWE wins was Anderson Anderson (or whatever he is called now) cheating to beat Abyss.

Long story short, one of the reasons I have gotten WAY more into TNA lately is BECAUSE of their roster. To me Foley, Angle, Hogan, Flair and a few others were the building blocks of the business since I have been a fan. I would probably pay money to watch any of them read a phonebook. They just entertain me. Frankly I'm glad that they put Styles with Flair. While I have been aware of his in ring ability for many years, and even caught a few of his matches, I never cared about him at all. Now I do, and I wouldn't have without Hogan and his guys showing up.





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posted on 1-22-2010 at 04:20 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Are you more or less likely to tune into Tiger's first golf tournament when he comes back? Answer it honestly.


I'm about as disinterested as I was before. I have no problem with him screwing around on his wife, but AT&T;, Tag Hauer, and Gillette sure did. And at least two of those companies is dedicated to making products designed to help middle aged men score young tail. So in stupid marketing speak, it means that Tiger Woods as a "brand" has lost some of its potential to translate name recognition into money. The case might be quite different for TNA, I'll grant that, maybe Hogan and Cum Sopper do increase awareness of the promotion, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll translate into long term interest from the "casual fans" or the company's ability to monetize that interest. Still, that's not my concern, whether TNA makes money or not is largely irrelevant to my interests. What I care about is whether they make entertaining wrestling shows.

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The erosion part I completely disagree with. I think too many of us get caught up in wins and losses when, in reality, a wrestler is "winning" by just being on TV.


My point was not about win/loss records, but about the fact that two good workers decided to leave the promotion and that leaves them with less to work with in order to put on a good show that I could care about watching. Not a deal breaker in and of itself, but if it starts a trend then they are in trouble. Also, it's not that these two left per se, but rather that the conditions under which they left indicate that the folks in charge are getting more into stroking personal egos backstage than trying to manage the production of a quality product.

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I shudder to think what McMahon & Co. would do to Kong and Melissa.... part of me hopes they go to WWE so I can still see them, part of me hopes that they don't so I can't lament how WWE ruined them.





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Actually, I'd lean more towards Melissa being the security for guest hosts (I was checking her Wikipedia and I guess she's done that in the past) and Kong just being Kong.





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Lastly... 1 dollar says Dixie Carter screwed Kurt Angle, not Hogan.


According to Flair, Dixie screwed the NAITCHA BOY, WOOO!






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Losing 2 talented wrestlers...over a disc jockey who will do NOTHING for ratings! Yeah.. Dixie Carter should've read "The Death of WCW" before signing Hogan and Bischoff. At least when Vince had Hogan and Bischoff after WCW, he had them in check..here they have the potential to do WCW v.2 and not the good part of WCW mind you, and its already started. Hogan useless friends are getting time to shine (Nasty Boys) who's prime was the day they left wrestling school, and his celebrity friends get better treatment or a free pass. Sure WWE may be a wreck storyline wise, but if say.. Todd Grisham or Joey Styles put "F Haiti" on Twitter, Vince would've fired them in seconds.





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I'm glad that Kong slugged him. Sure it was illegal and she should be handcuffed, but that doesn't mean I can't be happy she did it. Now, playing a bit of devil's advocate, isn't the heat the Bubba is bringing a good thing?

No, no, no! Jesus Christ, no! Stop taking business lessons from Vince McMahon! He's a BAD businessman who built his business up by breaking unwritten rules of the business and creating a monopoly, a monopoly which has served him for 20+ years as he's spent more of those years pissing off fans and seeing numbers drop than he has seen true boom periods. And he's managed to start at least 2 businesses in the XFL and WBF that both failed terribly and has a 3rd in WWE Films that is a critical failure and commercial dud that is floated by his primary business. He's nearly gone to jail once and called in front of Congress a second time. He's been destroyed by the media and made it he'll never be taken seriously. He is a bad business man and there is in fact such a thing as "bad publicity." That stupid cliche is just what bad businessmen say to cover up their mistakes.


I don't know what to say. I've been busy the last couple of days and haven't watched Impact, I'm just now reading the Kong/Flash stuff after reading Kong was at tapings so seemed alright. I'm not seeing any confirmation that she's done with TNA so here's hoping this is a "Homicide/Kaz asked for his release but were talked into sticking around" situation.

That being said I can't really find a way to blame Hogan for this. If you want to connect Hogan to Flash or Kong you have to go through a lot of hoops. I guess Hogan brought in Bubba so if Bubba was never there Kong wouldn't have done something stupid and illegal and this whole situation wouldn't exist? But that's like blaming Hitler's parents for genocide. I can hate Hogan for bringing Bubba in for the reasons that sucks, and Bubba/Kong is a separate issue.

But still... if Kong and Flash are gone, that blows. And if Jordan, the Band, and the Nasty Boys hang around that blows. And maybe TNA will succeed in winning over RAW fans like DK Broiler and disillusioning fans like me. Which I guess, if there's more of them than there are of me than its good for TNA. But I'm suddenly kind of depressed about my wrestling fan futures.

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Sure WWE may be a wreck storyline wise, but if say.. Todd Grisham or Joey Styles put "F Haiti" on Twitter, Vince would've fired them in seconds.

Didn't Joey Styles twitter that Obama was a Muslim and not an American?

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That's okay, Lucky, because Obama is a democrat and democrats aren't real people.





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I would think that if Kong had really gone after Bubba she would have knocked him the hell out. So I wonder about the attack portion.

It is awesome though watching TNA run the WCW playbook literally play by play. Someone watched Rise and Fall of WCW and thought of it as a how to manual.

I don't really blame Hogan though. If you leave out trash you are going to get roaches and flies. Just the fact that TNA has relied on ex WWE wrestlers as a crutch shows problems in the organization. They had homegrown talent that they are, let's be honest, squandering. Instead of choosing to be different and get by on their own merits they are becoming a generic, and geriatric, wrestling company.

Hogan is just what happens. He's a rat. And when the ship that is TNA starts to sink he'll leave with his cronies.





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I shudder to think what McMahon & Co. would do to Kong and Melissa.... part of me hopes they go to WWE so I can still see them, part of me hopes that they don't so I can't lament how WWE ruined them.


Kong in WWE would most likely lead to only one thing:

A romance-angle with Mark Henry.

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I don't really blame Hogan though. If you leave out trash you are going to get roaches and flies. Just the fact that TNA has relied on ex WWE wrestlers as a crutch shows problems in the organization. They had homegrown talent that they are, let's be honest, squandering. Instead of choosing to be different and get by on their own merits they are becoming a generic, and geriatric, wrestling company.



TNA had no real chance of getting a bigger number of viewers than they already had. Bringing in Hulk Hogan is the last thing that TNA can do to get more viewers.

Let's face facts: with WWE kinda setting a bar in the late 90's and early 2000's for TV with its edgy content, the WWE's huge drop-off in overall entertainment value once every other TV show got as edgy or even more edgy in the mid 2000's, the emergence of MMA, and tons of other factors, professional wrestling is just not becoming any more of a popular form of television. A person who stopped watching wrestling in 2004 is probably not going to start watching it again in 2010. So professional wrestling has a finite pool of viewers. And what TNA needs to do to get more of those viewers focused on their show is to lure them in with familiar faces, then get them attached by making them care about the new ones.

Those million viewers or so that TNA was getting before Hogan were more than likely not internet converts: they were most likely drawn in by seeing familiar faces like Christian or Sting or Booker T or Scott Steiner or Kurt Angle. Joe, AJ, Daniels...those weren't the cause of the viewers tuning in; they were more than likely the reason some of them stuck around.

Hulk Hogan is a bigger name than all of those guys. And if there's anyone that could bring back any of those fans that stopped watching in the early-to-mid 2000's, it's going to be one of three guys: Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, or the Rock. TNA has one of those names. And now it's up to TNA to figure out the other half of the equation to keep viewers, and that starts with AJ, Joe, and Daniels (well, maybe not Daniels if they are going to cut him, but still).

I'll hold off total judgement on TNA for at least another month or two, and so should everyone else. If, in two months time, Hogan, the Nasty Boys, and the other old guard Hogan brought in are more of a focus than AJ and company (focus does not mean feuding with said guys in well written feuds), then TNA may not make it. But Hogan is as good of a move as TNA could have made to bring in new eyeballs, it's just up to them to keep the new viewers.





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I would like to see Kong come into WWE with either a pissed off postal worker or pissed off Department of Motor Vehicles employee like they had on that A&E; show. I would give her the IRS style gimmick and call her Dashonda May Valentine or something but MVP is already doing it. It's a given she would end up in a romance with Henry, but it would be funnier if Santino or Chavo became her boyfriend.
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posted on 1-25-2010 at 05:25 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Kong & Hornswoggle (or however the fuck you spell it - I don't pay attention); the hilarity writes itself.

[Edited on 1-25-2010 by Shao Khan]

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posted on 1-25-2010 at 06:37 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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WWE Think:

Kong & Hornswoggle (or however the fuck you spell it - I don't pay attention); the hilarity writes itself.


God dammit... this is probably exactly what would happen, too.





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Now that I think about it more...Kong is awesome....The Miz is awesome (and yet always disrespected by Maryse).....it seems to me Miz needs an Awesome girlfriend like Kong.

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Mickey needs another fat chick to help make her feud a three on three contest...the heels say she can pick the fattest girl she sees in the audience....at which point she picks Kong who then destroys the heel team by herself.

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I don't really blame Hogan though. If you leave out trash you are going to get roaches and flies. Just the fact that TNA has relied on ex WWE wrestlers as a crutch shows problems in the organization. They had homegrown talent that they are, let's be honest, squandering. Instead of choosing to be different and get by on their own merits they are becoming a generic, and geriatric, wrestling company.



Let's be honest: you're an idiot who thinks you know everything there is to know about wrestling because you post on a wrestling board and saw Orlando Jordan, Sean Morley and the Nasty Boys win their debut match in a new promotion (a match that almost every new debut wins) means that TNA is squandering their homegrown talent. Homegrown talent that happens to be holding the world title right now.

Seriously: Kong isn't even off the roster page right now so all we're doing is speculating what we think might happen. As for this wrestling golden age that everybody talks about: go back and watch some PPV's from 1997-2001. Tell me their cards are all top-to-bottom solid. Tell me the cards don't feature gimmicky guys like Billy Gunn and Road Dogg. Tell me they don't feature "geriatric" talent like Terry Funk. Tell me it isn't riddled with criminally short matches featuring top teir talent and main event matches with guys phoning it in from time to time. Because you won't be able to.

Some of the stuff from that era has aged very well (the stuff everybody remembers and talks about nostalgically). But a lot of it hasn't aged well at all because it features all the same stuff wrestling fans bitch about today. The reason that era was a golden era was because it had that vibe that "anything can happen". Nobody knew the direction it was going in, if it was going to be good or bad. But the fans rolled with the punches because they knew that every weak episode of RAW was going to be followed up by an exciting one. So maybe you should reserve your judgement until AJ Styles loses the title to Hogan in a 3 minute squash match and The Nasty Boys are holding the titles and headlining PPV's against LOD 2010: Animal and Orlando Jordan.

**EDIT** and I am aware Billy Gunn and Road Dogg were over huge back in the day as the New Age Outlaws and members of DX. I'm also saying if you watch one of their matches from that era now, it will suck. Sure, they might have the odd one that is awesome but odds are it will be going head to head with an awesome team (aka: Edge & Christian, The Hardy's or The Dudleyz).

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