LuckyLopez
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Most of the pairing seem like "odd couple" pairings meant to cause friction. Slimy heel Heath with face Christian. Playa MVP with Texan Sheffield.
Douchebag Miz with straight laced Danielson. Serious Tarver with goofy Carlito. A couple of the pairings like Barrett/Jericho seem to work more
naturally or Angel/Hardy which doesn't seem to have any natural mix. But for the most part they look like pairings designed to be orchestrated
friction between pro and trainer.
Which feels already too gimmicky to me.
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Psycho Penguin
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Well it IS a gimmicky wrestling show, of course it's going to have friction storylines. It wouldn't be as entertaining otherwise.
David Otunga is the guy that is married to that one ho, so he has the least chance of success because he is HORRIBLE.
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DevilSoprano
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"That one ho."
Yup, you're a winner.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by sam795
Miz mentoring Danielson is like Jamarcus Russell giving QB lessons to John Elway. The only thing I can think is that someone thought maybe Miz's
charisma is something Danielson can learn and benefit from.
You are to analogies what Jamarcus is to quarterbacks. Miz excels at his job while Russell is an utter failure at his.
I mean, I think I get the point you were trying to make: Miz has no business (or need for) trying to teach Danielson anything about wrestling.
In fact, Danielson has been wrestling probably twice as long as Miz has. But as has been pointed out, Miz can probably teach Bryan a thing or two
about charisma and character and showing forceful personality, all things that people have fretted over regarding Danielson's future in WWE. I
actually think this is a great pairing.
Comparing Miz to the worst QB in the modern NFL era? Get the fuck out of here man.
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sam795
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quote:
You are to analogies what Jamarcus is to quarterbacks.
Comparing Miz to the worst QB in the modern NFL era? Get the fuck out of here man.
I love it when people try to be over-the-top message-board-douchey assclowns. It's so cute *lol*.
I like Miz and do think he's way over with the crowd, and he's definitely come a long way in the ring. I have no problem with The Miz I
assure you. But my point being that as far as wrestling goes, Danielson could take him to school with one hand tied behind his back and in that
respect it is sort of an insulting pairing. However, we all know WWE Think, so the charisma thing has to be the logic.
As mentioned, the pairings seem in some ways meant to create instant friction. It's possible that as part of the rookie's final test he
must defeat his mentor, which might be fun.
[Edited on 2-17-2010 by sam795]
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Gobshite
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So what�s the actual format for this show? How long before / how often will we see them wrestle?
Moaning that Kaval and DiBiase aren�t on this show is like moaning that Stu Hart isn�t in the hall of fame. Yes he deserves to be there already, and
it sucks that others less deserving are there before him, but he�ll be there one day � so just be patient. If they�re only going to use FCW guys, I
assume FCW isn�t overflowing with �debut them right now� talent; so they have half of the ready guys now, half next cycle. Do we even know how long
this lasts? In 8-10 weeks do we get a new cycle of guys? Can a guy eliminated in this round be used again in the next round?
I assume the small stupid name change for Danielson is to stop people casual wwe fans googling him and finding all his awesome old stuff / other
company profiles. Same with Kaval � it also gives the WWE copyright over the name (something I imagine Ki isn�t willing to give up, hence being Senshi
in his second TNA run).
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Psycho Penguin
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
"That one ho."
Yup, you're a winner.
Who the fuck asked you?
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gobbledygooker
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All I want to know: Is C.M. Punk gonna shave his rookie's head and make him join the Straight Edge Society?
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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blackdragon
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Gooker, they should do that on the debut show next week. Welcome to WWE bitch!
A ho fucks everybody. A bitch fucks everybody but you.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
Do we even know how long this lasts? In 8-10 weeks do we get a new cycle of guys? Can a guy eliminated in this round be used again in the next
round?
16 weeks per "season", so basically three seasons a year, so 24 developmentals a year? I don't know how long this can last at that pace.
Also this first season will end in July? This isn't a terrible idea for a once a year show, but to have back-to-back-to-back seasons because
Syfy is promised 52-weeks of new programming seems like too much.
One this this could be good for is give something for injured wrestlers to do.
Johnny Curtis and Alex Riley have booth toured with the wwe on house show circuits I assume they'll be held off until the next round. I'm
surprised that Alberto Banderas wasn't included in the first show but assume he might have a different contract and will be brought in above the
reality show.
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
I do think they are saving guys like Hennig, Kaval, etc. for when this batch of guys are done.. you can't blow your load immediately and then
have the show suck in six months.
Bingo. I don't know who any of these guys are, but it makes sense to hold back some of your big prospects for the next batch.
Has anyone seen any really good impotent rage-gasms online about The Miz mentoring Bryan Danielson? The ones in this thread were half-hearted, but
there must have been absolute meltdowns online upon the news breaking.
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I don't want to be a negative nellie about this, but is anybody else starting to worry about roster overcrowding? They're moving 8 or 9
people from the ECW onto the Raw-SD roster where they have problems using everybody to begin with, now they're bringing another batch of kids up
into this NXT limbo where I figure almost all of them will end up on the main roster within 12 months, pushing even more guys off of TV (or being
pushed off themselves).
WWE's problem isn't that it has too little TV time for its roster. Way I see it, putting 8 more guys on Smackdown means a Matt Hardy and
Cryme Tyme vs Dolph Ziggler and Hart Dynasty match ain't gonna get 20 minutes anymore. And that can only be a good thing.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Who the fuck asked you?
Hey Dev, what do you think about this Psycho Penguin fella being an ignorant mysogynist? Well well well, looks like I the fuck asked him.
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blackdragon
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Just tossing out something crazy here, but if SyFy wants 52 weeks of programming or whatever, how about as someone suggested, that NXT - The Mentoring
only last until July ( roughly 24 episodes to coincide with the rest of television where your typical season lasts anywhere between 10 and 24
episodes) You got your guys acclimated to the WWE, but you still can't just throw them to the wolves on SmackDown and Raw just yet. Season 2
could be these guys honing their skills in actual feuds for contracts/spots whatever and then you occassionally introduce a midcarder from the other
two brands and you have to beat him to get a spot on their respective roster. Something like that could be interesting, while making sure they
don't burn through their developmentals too fast.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
I guess it's meant for instant friction
Duh. Christian's guy isn't going to be willing to listen and will eventually say "Hey, if you're so great why did you lose the ECW
championship" and Punk is going to try to shave his guys head and make him give up the weed.
Miz is going to mock Danielson for his lack of charisma, leading to "hilarious" skits where he sets Danielson up on hidden camera blind dates and
shocks him every time he says something boring. The weird thing is that Miz seems to really be on a face-turning trajectory which is too bad because
Danielson would get an awesome face pop when he finally kicks Miz's teeth in.
I was worried when I saw Christian was a Pro until I saw the rest of the guys and realized they would still be on the real shows, not just relegated
to NXT hell.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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When is this going to be taped? At the Raw/SD tapings? But there is Raw and SD! "Pros" so will the pros have to work both sets of tapings?
With wrestling be treated as real as in "you have to try and win your match, but still be entertaining to the fans" or show behind the curtain?
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OORick
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After being on the fence about this concept, I think I'll now start leaning towards the pessimistic. Without having seen one second of the show.
As is the wont of an internet wanker, such as myself.
The obviously orchestrated-for-drama mentor/rookie pairings speak for themselves. Oh noes, the reality star who nobody took seriously as a wrestler
and who skated by on being a mouthy douche is going to be learning The Best Wrestler On The Planet how to rassle~!
I wish Dave Meltzer's head would explode upon hearing this, but I doubt he'll do us that service.
There's just no way for that "tension" to be interesting or entertaining. It can't be really real, or else the rooks will dig themselves
holes they can't ever escape so long as the fraternity mentality rules. And if they just play off certain elements of reality while
"on-stage," while cooperating "off-stage" for the good of the product, it'll be like every other reality lamefest on TV: phoney, and little
more than a display of people purposely acting like douchebags in order to get noticed.
Sadly: there is a track record for people being willing to tune in to watch douchebags act like even bigger douchebags than they really are on a
reality show. Probably because there's a track record of 90% of people being fuckwits, and douchebags on TV really are more interesting than
them, so they're capable of being entertained by the spectacle.
I digress. Point is, I don't see how this can't either end in (a) fakey reality TV phoneyness or (b) career suicide for rookies.
Hell, probably the most "real" thing they could do if they really wanted to show what it takes to get a full time gig in WWE is re-hire Bradshaw to
be the lead trainer. Soap rapings for all~! And then just wait as the WWE audience recoils in horror at finally knowing, with certainty, just what a
bunch of bullying, self-serving dicklickers wrestlers are in real life.
Everybody wins?
The "three seasons per year" thing is the other red flag to me.
I much preferred my idea of a constantly rolling-over roster of rookies, and a more organic flow-chart to success/failure. Some guys may be prodigies
who "make it" quickly; others may show perpetual promise, but it takes months or years to crack the real roster; and still others may obviously lack
what it takes, and flame out along the way to be replaced by another prospect. You'd have 8 rookies going at a given time, but never need more
than 12-15 in a calendar year.
Which is way better than this new deal where they'll either need 24 warm bodies per year, or need to start recycling past failures. Tooly
McButtinjector is 0-for-2 in past NXT seasons... will the third time FINALLY be the charm? Who the fuck cares?
Oh wait: I know. Idiots will care. Especially if they script it that Tooly got a jerkface trainer the first two times and was totally screwed, and oh
noes, he's back for the third time, and the luck of the draw landed him with Bob Holly as a mentor. Will the drama never start?!!???!!!???
It's soooooooooo REAL.
Also, by doing the seasons, you fall into another obvious trap: fans now know roughly when it "ends," and can start playing along at home figuring
out the HOW it ends part, too. I don't see this being a "people vote at home"/"guys are eliminated on a set schedule" thing, because you
need all 8 at the end (you can't do a whole 1 hour weekly show based on 2 guys), and so it'll be sold on the interpersonal drama. You
know: the drama that will all conveniently come to a head after X number of weeks. Whee?
If they'd just stayed away from the "seasons" thing, I'd have signed off on the trainer/rookie pairings. You could have set it up as a
deal where the show is a blend of:
(1) training footage in FCW or at WWE's gym/facility in CT
(2) backstage footage of the rookies accompanying their mentors to RAW/SD tapings to learn the backstage side of the bidness
(3) and finally, 2 actual matches per week featuring the rookies; this could lead to feuds among the trainers and tag matches, which would be NXT
bigger drawing cards, probably (maybe even some crossovers onto RAW/SD where the rookies can make cameos as over-zealous students getting involved in
an opposing trainers shit, or something like that)
I could maybe have been OK with that, if it was with a constantly rolling-over/episodic feel, instead of the hokey/ham-handed "seasonal" thing.
And instead of the levels/big-boss theory I'd proposed, the method of promotion/demotion would be simple: you go along, you train, you learn,
and when you think you're ready, you challenge your Mentor to a match. It's one and done, do or die. If you win, welcome to the RAW or SD
roster. If you lose: you're eliminated from NXT, and replaced by the next guy in the FCW queue. Some guys will hit that make-or-break match in
six week; others, it might take 18 months. Just whatever it takes to give new stars a proper chance while also weeding out the deadweight on a
semi-regular basis. That would have worked for me, too.
Maybe they should still keep the "you advance to the main roster if you can beat your mentor" thing, and make a big splash with NXT's first
show. That dude who's being mentored by CM Punk is BEGGING for a haircut. Show footage of Punk brainwashing him over the course of a week, then
cut to however they're going to do the "live"/in-arena part of the show (there's gotta be SOME element of that, don't you think?
or else it really is just Tough Enough v2.0, and it'll suck even harder than I'm thinking it will), and do the head-shaving, and then PUNK
challenges ROOKIE to his advancement match, and just lies down and lets himself be pinned.
You know, sacrificing himself for the good of his Flock. Like any good Jesus would do.
Punk's an even bigger jerk than before, Luke has a new partner, and people (sort of) have a reason to give a shit about NXT.
Sort of.
Maybe.
Kinda.
We'll see....
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Capellan
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Miz is the perfect choice for Danielson. I mean really, look at the eight 'mentors'. Could any one of them teach Danielson anything
about in ring skills? Nope. Danielson has no need to be mentored by a technically skilled wrestler because he already is one.
A guy who knows how to work the mic in the style WWE likes, though? That's a great choice for Danielson.
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Thom
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Color me intrigued.
I'll be tuning in next week to see the first trainwreck happen. After that, all bets are off.
Stay wet, my friends.
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theflammablemanimal
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I can't wait to see Danielson wrestle while Miz stands at ringside and yells "boring." Because that has worked for every other "boring"
workrate guy. Just ask Lance Storm.
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punkerhardcore
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I'm now convinced that DJ Gabriel was recently released just to give Justin Angel a new last name*. Really though, Justin Angel sounds way
better than Justin Gabriel, so I don't get that at all. And like flammable said earlier-- Daniel Bryan? Seriously? Fucking ridiculous.
I still wish the mentors would have been guys who aren't really doing anything at the moment like Chavo, Haas, Burchill, Finlay, etc. But I
guess I'll reserve too much judgment until after the show actually airs, and see how it all plays out.
*I'm joking. I know he was released because he sucks.
Is everyone mad here?
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theflammablemanimal
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So what does this mean for FCW if they just lost their best 8 guys? Or will NXT be filming them wrestling in FCW instead of the main shows?
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
I can't wait to see Danielson wrestle while Miz stands at ringside and yells "boring."
Same here.
quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I still wish the mentors would have been guys who aren't really doing anything at the moment like Chavo, Haas, Burchill, Finlay, etc.
In fairness to those guys, they should not be mentoring kids to become WWE stars in a reality show. If these were kids who'd just walked
in off the street, yes, Finlay and Burchill could teach them to wrestle. But these are supposedly kids on the hunt for stardom. Carlito's a
pretty weird choice for it but he does at least have a ton of charisma that the show can utilise. Imagine some rookie being paired with Charlie Haas.
I doubt they'd be seeing a Mentor vs Student match on PPV in their near future.
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
So what does this mean for FCW if they just lost their best 8 guys? Or will NXT be filming them wrestling in FCW instead of the main shows?
They probably didn't lose the 8 guys since NXT isn't a touring brand. Odds are the 8 guys will do what they have to do and still show up
at the weekly or bi monthly tapings/shows for FCW. Just like the trainers will still be on RAW or SD in their full capacities.
Its also really not FCW's top 8 guys. Matter of subjective opinion of course, but aside from Justin Angel and Danielson (who just recently
showed up) you've got a bunch of midcarders, tag workers, and a color commentator. And none of them are espeically popular or talented acts.
Plus FCW's not exactly got a real steadfast class system.
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Jheaton
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quote:
Originally posted by Capellan
Miz is the perfect choice for Danielson. I mean really, look at the eight 'mentors'. Could any one of them teach Danielson anything
about in ring skills? Nope. Danielson has no need to be mentored by a technically skilled wrestler because he already is one.
A guy who knows how to work the mic in the style WWE likes, though? That's a great choice for Danielson.
Heres the thing, I dont think any of the rookies are going to mentored in the since that the vetrans will be teaching them mic skills or wrestling
moves. I think it all be scripted and totaly in charecter.
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by Jheaton
Heres the thing, I dont think any of the rookies are going to mentored in the since that the vetrans will be teaching them mic skills or wrestling
moves. I think it all be scripted and totaly in charecter.
Most wrestling is scripted and in character, the veterans still get to teach the rookies stuff.
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