mooseheadjack
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The WWE should really offer a course: How To Fuck Up Your Best Angle in 25 Years in One Night
There was NO reason for Punk to walk out of SS without the title
There is no reason on God's green earth for ADR to win the title. None. Not one. He sucks and hasn't shown one ounce of improvement
since he debuted in the WWE
Kevin Fucking Nash is in an angle in 2011. Let that sink in.
They have basically trashed the whole Punk-Cena story for what? So Del Rio or Rey can headline Mexico as the champ? Great booking there. You take
an angle that could have run, easily, through Survivor Series AT LEAST and trashed it so you could hot shot the title to Del Rio, who has zero
business being anywhere NEAR the title
Wow. I guess the joke is on me. I actually gave a shit about what the WWE was doing for a few minutes there because I thought they would do
something interesting. I was clearly wrong. This is shit. I can't wait to see anyone defend this.
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JMD
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I don't know that I am as excited about Nash being around. I think he's gold if he's working with guys lower on the card and doing
comedy/character building stuff, but I don't see him being of much use for the main event picture, even as just a bodyguard/second, in 2011. All
in all I thought this was a pretty lacklustre show.
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TommyD420
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
Awesome.
There are over a million words in the English Language.
This would be the absolute last one that I would use to describe any part of this PPV, and ESPECIALLY the finish.
What a joke. Punk can't win clean - No Knees Nash comes out of the Witness Protection Program for...something, and Juan-ny One-Note comes in to
cash in.
So, pretty much anything good built up over the last couple of weeks has been completely obliterated. Way to go, WWE. When's the next Diva
Search?
[Edited on 8/15/2011 by TommyD420]
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DevilSoprano
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
Holy crap, what an ending....
Just as I was starting to get over the awesomeness of the "Thank you, Savage" chant (after Punk hit a textbook Macho Man Elbow), the match was over,
with Punk winning via HHH's Referreial Ineptitude... just as I was starting to wonder why HHH powdered out so easily after fake-arguing with
HHH, a special guest shows up: KEVIN F'N DIESEL NASH... Diesel decapitates Punk with a Big Boot.... del Rio shows up and cashes in MitB, and
easily pins the decimated Punk, all while HHH watches on and acts like he's surprised.
Awesome.
I was honestly wondering about that Rey re-match clause for tomorrow, and didn't think either Punk or Cena fit for the match/angle they're
going to run.... but I didn't quite have the balls to say del Rio would win the title (though I had the half-sac to suggest it was a possibility
if you look at my preview)... they're going full out for tomorrow, though: Cena/Punk/HHH/Diesel is one thing, and del Rio can crush/injure Rey
in their WWE Title match to get him off on a good foot.
I have my own ideas for how to make this awesome/better, but for now, the mere presence of Master Nash on TV makes me willing to sit back and
wait-and-see.... he is, afterall, the one who got me US citizenship after I moved here from Madagasgar.
Rick
How much does WWE pay to support this site? There is no other logical reasoning behind this opinion.
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Devineman
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Wat.
The ending was overbooked nonsense. This is the second biggest PPV of the year, I expect to get a payoff to an angle, in fact, that's the whole
point to wrestling - build your stories until the PPV and then people will buy it to see the conclusion. This was the equivalent to paying for a 3
hour Raw, ad breaks and everything. There is nothing here that I couldn't have learnt from a 5 minute read of the net tomorrow, no reason at
all to buy it. The matches were poor, the announcing was poor, the production wasn't great, the finishes mainly didn't make sense or were
deflating.
They screwed the audience who paid money to find the undisputed champ between Cena/Punk and you're proclaiming it the best thing since Jesus.
Rick, are you paid by the WWE, either financially or in any other way? How was that "good"? It would have been good if it wasn't a PPV, but
you tell me why that was worth $50 and what reason it gives to me shell out another $50 in four weeks time.
Absolutely no payoff. This isn't fucking rocket science, I give you money, you give me finishes. In this case, I've given them money and
they've said "oooh, wait til next week".
Bullshit PPV, one of the worst ones of the year (and many on here will know that I'm a vehement defender of WWE nearly all of the time).
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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Some folks might hate the ending, but I love it for the story possibilities it opens up. Who is Nash working for? Del Rio hire him? In cahoots with
Kliq buddy HHH? Acting on his own? What will Punk say? What will he do? Will he build a faction and go after Nash and HHH? How he can't trust
anybody in the wwe, but he knows who he can trust - indie guys who've been passed over time and time again who are just as good or better but
never got the break. Punk, Cabana, Hero, Castagnoli would be sweet as hell together.
Solid matches up and down the card tonight - everybody bought their work boots.
Orton needed the title back because there isn't a feud outside of Orton that would be ME caliber waiting for a World Champion Christian. I
think Orton vs Henry is probably in the near future. I don't know where Christian would go to from here feud wise. I think Christian vs Bryan
would be a helluva feud but i don't think Bryan vs Barrett feud is done. Maybe Christian could be inserted into it as Bryan vs Barrett vs
Christian could be really good as well.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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FistHiccups
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Phenomenal ending to the show! Great match, too. I was disappointed with the finish of the match, I thought it came off a bit weak because the GTS
looked shitty (it was another one of those "knee to the ribs" ones) and Cena's foot was on the ropes too early. Tremendous match overall
though, Punk and Cena are the greatest in the world. And the post-match stuff was perfect and so unexpected. Internet hate figure Kevin Nash is the
perfect choice to destroy CM Punk for maximum reaction. I was laughing so hard during the attack, even at that point, I wasn't thinking
of Alberto.
So now going into Raw we've got a new champion, two ex-champions who were both screwed out of the title, Triple H hasn't tipped his hand,
and there's a big question mark over the return of Big Sexy. Plus there's a title match. Excellent work, WWE.
Rest of the card was fine.I enjoyed Henry vs Sheamus more than I thought I would, really dug the stunt-and-crawl finish... It was nice to see Edge
back, even if it was in a particularly unexciting fashion, and I hope we've seen the last of Christian vs Orton now... Barrett vs Bryan was
pretty good, would've been nice if the build-up had been longer instead of the fucking nineteen weeks of pointless Bryan vs Cody matches
Smackdown did before deciding to go with Bryan vs Barrett. But they did well, considering... Really enjoyed the six-man, so glad that was the filler
match instead of Riley vs Ziggler or a singles Mysterio vs Miz... I didn't see much of the divas match, but Beth's new outfit was cool and
Kelly looked hot, and the result surprised me.
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mooseheadjack
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Some folks might hate the ending, but I love it for the story possibilities it opens up. Who is Nash working for? Del Rio hire him? In cahoots with
Kliq buddy HHH? Acting on his own? What will Punk say? What will he do? Will he build a faction and go after Nash and HHH? How he can't trust
anybody in the wwe, but he knows who he can trust - indie guys who've been passed over time and time again who are just as good or better but
never got the break. Punk, Cabana, Hero, Castagnoli would be sweet as hell together.
Who gives a shit who hired him? It's KEVIN FUCKING NASH! This guy can't wrestle anymore. Hasn't been able to in about 10 years.
And really, build a stable to go after Nash and HHH? Fuck. No. Nash shouldn't be in the ring, and neither should HHH, and don't even
say HBK either, cause he sure as hell shouldn't be in the ring either.
Face it, they dropped the ball on this big time. I am all for bringing in guys like Cabana, Hero and Castagnoli, but not against those washed up has
beens, ESPECIALLY since they would likely be LOSING to those worthless washed up has beens
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TommyD420
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Some folks might hate the ending, but I love it for the story possibilities it opens up.
Does it really open up possibilities? I think everything to be answered has been answered.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Who is Nash working for?
Del Rio.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Del Rio hire him?
Yes.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
In cahoots with Kliq buddy HHH?
Maybe, but it doesn't matter. Del Rio as HHH's puppet is no different than Del Rio on his own, really.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Acting on his own?
If he were acting on his own he'd be drinking in Tampa.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
What will Punk say?
My guess would be some variation of "I got screwed"
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
What will he do?
Whine? Complain? Call out HHH and get buried? Yeah, that's exciting stuff.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Will he build a faction and go after Nash and HHH?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....oh, you were serious? No. that won't happen.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
How he can't trust anybody in the wwe, but he knows who he can trust - indie guys who've been passed over time and time again who are just
as good or better but never got the break. Punk, Cabana, Hero, Castagnoli would be sweet as hell together.
It would. Unfortunately, it can only happen in ROH.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Solid matches up and down the card tonight - everybody bought their work boots.
I think we watched different PPVs.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Orton needed the title back because
Orton needed the title back because he hasn't had it in like 2 months and WWE needs either Cena or Orton (preferably both) to have the belt at
all times.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
there isn't a feud outside of Orton that would be ME caliber waiting for a World Champion Christian. I think Orton vs Henry is probably
in the near future.
Can't wait.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
I don't know where Christian would go to from here feud wise. I think Christian vs Bryan would be a helluva feud but i don't think Bryan
vs Barrett feud is done. Maybe Christian could be inserted into it as Bryan vs Barrett vs Christian could be really good as well.
I don't know that Bryan/Barrett is really a feud. Maybe he feuds with Christian. And although I'll care, few others will.
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Devineman
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For those praising it, did any of you buy the PPV?
Do you believe that it was money well spent?
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OORick
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
How much does WWE pay to support this site? There is no other logical reasoning behind this opinion.
Yes. No logical reasoning. Except for the part where the live crowd was mega-hot for a finish I liked, and I just spent 30 minutes without being able
to login to my own website because of traffic. Business, as the man says, just picked up. I'm sorry if you don't like business.
Look, dude: I'll never lob the "if it's popular, it's good" argument at you. If I did, I'd be defending "Friends." And
I'd be dismissing some very-good things that happen to be not-popular. But at some point, you should start re-thinking about the size of your
man-panties; cuz I think you're buying them one size too small, Dev....
Rick
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cromartie
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quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
The WWE should really offer a course: How To Fuck Up Your Best Angle in 25 Years in One Night
There was NO reason for Punk to walk out of SS without the title
There is no reason on God's green earth for ADR to win the title. None. Not one. He sucks and hasn't shown one ounce of improvement
since he debuted in the WWE
Kevin Fucking Nash is in an angle in 2011. Let that sink in.
They have basically trashed the whole Punk-Cena story for what? So Del Rio or Rey can headline Mexico as the champ? Great booking there. You take
an angle that could have run, easily, through Survivor Series AT LEAST and trashed it so you could hot shot the title to Del Rio, who has zero
business being anywhere NEAR the title
Wow. I guess the joke is on me. I actually gave a shit about what the WWE was doing for a few minutes there because I thought they would do
something interesting. I was clearly wrong. This is shit. I can't wait to see anyone defend this.
This.
This is a complete fucking FAIL. They managed to piss away three shades of grey storylines in one night, ruining the best buzz they've had in a
decade for....Alberto Del Rio, Kevin Nash, and Randy Orton title reign #38.
Well, it was a fun month. Back to the recaps, then.
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gobbledygooker
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I'm still interested in all this. If anything, I'm even more interested, for many of the reasons CMP listed above. There are a shitload
of questions that have come out of this and I'm really interested to see how it all plays out.
I did have to laugh to myself when I saw how it ended, knowing that the Del Rio haters would be WAY bent out of shape.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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JMD
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How exactly is it good business to ask people to pay to see one or the other of the two most interesting guys on Raw walk out of Summer Slam with the
undisputed WWE title, and then give it to a boring midcarder and his fifty-plus year old, semi-crippled bodyguard (who, admittedly, has boatloads of
charisma).
You give me Nash helping someone win the US title, and I'm loving that storyline. But what on earth does Nash bring to the main event level that
someone who can still walk without blowing out a knee can't or shouldn't be able to do better?
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mooseheadjack
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Sure, there are a lot of questions, too bad they all have shitty answers.
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by cromartie
This is a complete fucking FAIL. They managed to piss away three shades of grey storylines in one night, ruining the best buzz they've had in a
decade for....Alberto Del Rio, Kevin Nash, and Randy Orton title reign #38.
Well, it was a fun month. Back to the recaps, then.
Your favourites losing = pissing away storylines? Seems like it's just sour grapes. Personally, I can't wait for Punk's reaction on
Raw.
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Devineman
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
How much does WWE pay to support this site? There is no other logical reasoning behind this opinion.
Yes. No logical reasoning. Except for the part where the live crowd was mega-hot for a finish I liked, and I just spent 30 minutes without being able
to login to my own website because of traffic. Business, as the man says, just picked up. I'm sorry if you don't like business.
Look, dude: I'll never lob the "if it's popular, it's good" argument at you. If I did, I'd be defending "Friends." And
I'd be dismissing some very-good things that happen to be not-popular. But at some point, you should start re-thinking about the size of your
man-panties; cuz I think you're buying them one size too small, Dev....
Rick
Hey, it wasn't a few hours ago that I was having the "popular=good" argument, but you are confusing crowds short term popping at stunt booking
for logically sound and satisfying wrestling.
Your website problems have little to do with the quality of wrestling angles and lots to do with technical issues. The forum goes down after every
PPV, does that mean every PPV is awesome?
This isn't "business", it's hotshotting. "Business" is providing your customers with long term expectations over the direction,
content and quality of your product. They failed on all three fronts here. Again, is the $50 that went towards the PPV instead of the gas bill worth
it for you? What exactly is the point in current WWE of buying any PPV outside of Wrestlemania, when they don't pay anything off until then?
They seem to have changed the business from "pay for a conclusion" to"pay for an episode extra" and considering Raw is free, I'm not sure
that I'm buying this
And you dodged the question.
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cardscott5
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Just wait for when Billy Gunn, X Pac and the Road Dogg run out tomorrow and destroy Del Rio and Rey in the title match.
I don't think Nash is going to wrestle. The fact that one of HHH's best friends screwed CM Punk out of the WWE title after Stephanie
played a big part in the backstage segments pushes the story a lot. Punk and Cena both have a claim that HHH screwed them out of the WWE title,
because in a way he did both.
I thought the show was good. The Bryan-Barrett match was very solid. Surprised Barrett went over clean.
Christian and Orton had their best match. The end was the exact same as when Orton won the title though, which was a little disappointing. But it was
a cool spot.
Cena and Punk wasn't quite as epic as last month. The match quality was very high though. Cena put his foot on the ropes too early. It was like
the crowd was waiting for HHH to restart the match. I didn't expect Del Rio to cash in at all. That was pretty surprising. I don't have
the same vitriol for Del Rio as some of you, so I'm anxious to see where he goes. A triple threat with he, Cena and Punk could be very good.
Visit my site: www.BearcatsBlog.com. Pretend to care.
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DevilSoprano
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
Yes. No logical reasoning. Except for the part where the live crowd was mega-hot for a finish I liked, and I just spent 30 minutes without being able
to login to my own website because of traffic. Business, as the man says, just picked up. I'm sorry if you don't like business.
Look, dude: I'll never lob the "if it's popular, it's good" argument at you. If I did, I'd be defending "Friends." And
I'd be dismissing some very-good things that happen to be not-popular. But at some point, you should start re-thinking about the size of your
man-panties; cuz I think you're buying them one size too small, Dev....
Rick
No one can log into your website after 11:30 at night. EVERY night. It has nothing to do with traffic. It crashes every single day.
I've loved the Punk/Cena story since it started, this was not the payoff it deserved or should have got. And I'm not an irrational ADR
hater. I do think he's been pushed too hard too soon, but that's not my main problem here. The problem is Raw is going to go from being
focused on a hot John Cena/CM Punk story to being focused on a HHH/Kevin Nash story. In 2011. The same people who will shit on a Sting/Hogan story
will love a HHH/Nash story. It's mind-boggling the blinders people have. Sting sucks in 2011. Nash sucks in 2011. Be consistent with the
opinions.
And on the crowd note, you must have been watching a different show. The crowd was dead once Nash came out and they realized what was coming next. ADR
hasn't gotten a crowd to buy into him after his music hits since, well ever. But you enjoyed it so must be good.
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TommyD420
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quote:
Originally posted by FistHiccups
Personally, I can't wait for Punk's reaction on Raw.
"I got screwed."
I just saved you 2 hours. You're welcome.
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CreativeInternetAliass
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screw del rio.
KEVIN FUCKIN NASH
TNA does this and you all would be yelling bush league and shitting all over it. WWE does it, and this is great and has so much possibilities.
Tonight made me realise something. I no longer like wrestling. At all I watch it, and try to like it, but I just can't for every little thing
that may spark my joy, I get The threat of Sting/Hogan, or Kevin Nash in main event angles. Both of the major companies are shooting themselves in the
foot these days. Unless ROH really blows me away with what they are offering, I think I may just give up on it for another couple of years before
trying to watch again.
I remember Lucky Lopez.
dev are you going to give me your address or do i have to check the registered sex offender data base (Firewoman trying to set up a three way meet on
03/20/2011)
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mooseheadjack
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what difference does it make what Punk says? He is completely neutered now. Before he had the title so they HAD to listen to what he said. Watch,
HHH will bury Punk verbally on RAW, and it will be back to the mid-card to finish that feud with Evan Bourne for Punk.
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thestoryofmikeb
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I won't jump on the Rick, he likes what he likes.
That said, I'm fairly pissed at the ending. Not what I was hoping for, and after a great deal of excitement, I was dying to see what the show
would be like with CM Punk as the face of the company for a bit. Sadly, not to be.
That said, I'll simply say this. Kevin Nash will be revealed tomorrow as the Anonymous Raw GM. Forget the logic holes, I fully expect it to
happen.
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by TommyD420
"I got screwed."
I just saved you 2 hours. You're welcome.
Wow, you really don't rate Punk's promo ability. I think he'll have a hell of an entertaining speech lined up.
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gobbledygooker
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Wow. I'm pretty shocked by what I'm seeing here. It's not like Punk is going to be back to jobbing out in the mid-card tomorrow
night, people. He's still gonna be duking it out at the top, as is Cena. The only difference is the plot has thickened.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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