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posted on 8-14-2011 at 08:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
PPV Discussion: WWE SummerSlam 2011

This is The Place to Be before, during, and after SummerSlam for prognostication, real time results, and post-show analysis, respectively.

WWE.com still only lists 4 official matches for tonight. They are:

CM Punk vs. John Cena (Champion vs. Champion, Triple H is the Special Referee)
Christian vs. Randy Orton (No Holds Barred Match for the World Heavyweight Title)
Sheamus vs. Mark Henry
Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix (Women's Title Match, or at least: I hope it'll go back to the "Women's Title" after Beth wins and destroys the stupid purple vagina belt)

However, at various times over the past 2 weeks, these additional matches have been hyped on TV, and/or would make sense based on current storylines:

Rey Mysterio vs. Miz
Daniel Bryan vs. Wade Barrett
R-Truth vs. John Morrison
Alberto del Rio vs. Kofi Kingston
Dolph Ziggler vs. Alex Riley (US Title Match)
Cody Rhodes vs. Zeke Jackson (IC Title Match)

Obviously, they won't ratchet it up to a 10-match card, so they'll be cherry picking among those extra matches. You might want to downgrade Rey/Miz to "unlikely," as Rey is nursing a (real) knee injury, and WWE redirected previous hype for a Rey/Miz PPV match to a Contractually Obligated WWE Title Rematch (to take place on tomorrow's RAW) for Rey; if Rey's knee is gimpy, it seems the plan is to save him back for tomorrow's match/angle. Also less-than-likely is Truth/Morrison, as WWE backed off of hyping it as a PPV match and gave it away for free on Monday with Truth winning decisively (quite possibly for petty political reasons related to Melina).

But Bryan/Barrett seems to be a lock to take place, and has the potential to be very good. Riley scored a non-title win over Ziggler last Monday on RAW, so that seems like grounds for him to get a title shot. And Cody just beat Zeke for the IC Title on Friday, so an insta-rematch could be an easy way to flesh out the card.

FWIW, del Rio's the biggest wild card, since he does kind of have prickly heat with Kofi (starting with Kofi beating him in the WWE Title tourney), but they did absolutely zero to advance that last Monday (they didn't even do anything to remind viewers of the pre-existing tension). So maybe that "feud" is over? If so, del Rio being not-booked for the PPV leads one to ponder the obvious: that he'll be fresh as a daisy, and looking for a spot to cash in his Money in the Bank. I mean: he's not not going to appear on the PPV... so it's a question of figuring out where he'll be squeezed in.

I'm assuming WWE would just pick from among those possible extra singles matches, but if I were the Guy In Charge, I'd look more towards doing a big ass tag match. You'd accomplish two things: (1) be able to "hide" Rey in a match where he wouldn't have to do as much, and (2) keep Ziggler/Riley from going out there and dying on the table because neither of them is even half as over as Vickie Guerrero. It could be as simple as an angle where one guy or another gripes about not being booked on the show, then another guy shows up to say HE's the one who should be complaining, and before you know it, Triple H shows up, and all of a sudden, we've got Miz/Truth/Ziggler vs. Rey/Morrison/Riley, which is a combination that should be pretty entertaining for a 10 minute throw-away. [If the RAW Anonymous GM is an angle that's ever to get closure, you could have IT chime in and make this match, to remind fans it exists.]

Do that, and you only have to worry about Cody/Zeke not clicking in terms of fan interest, since Cody has serious issues with inspiring apathy while Zeke is, shall we say, a bit one dimensional in his work. I'm confident that both Bryan/Barrett and del Rio/Kofi would go over really well with fans, however (and be very well worked, to boot).

That's a 7-match card I'd be very happy with, and which includes a spot for some storytelling/mic work (to set up the 6-man). That's something that's always welcome, if you ask me, since it breaks up the straight-forward PPV format of match/video package/match/video package/lather/rinse/repeat...

Of course, who knows if WWE is exploring ways to put together a whole 3-hour card that maximizes entertainment. Other than Punk/Cena (with HHH), is there anyone actually massively invested in anything else that could happen tonight? Maybe Christian's "surprise" generates a bit of intrigue, but that'd be about it...

We'll know soon enough what WWE has in store. T-minus 4 hours and counting....


Rick


EDIT TO ADD: How could I forget about Cee Lo Green? He'll need a good 5 minutes to perform "Not Fuck You." That song choice is unfortunate, and reduces my interest level from "rather high" to "this is a good spot to go refill my beverage."

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posted on 8-14-2011 at 09:17 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The following signs are going to try to be on tv( obviously double sided)

OORick loves Randy Orton
Ryder got bumped for this?
Jaime ninos (arrows in all directions)
ceelo...at least it's not kid rock.
Just wrestle
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The following signs are going to try to be on tv( obviously double sided)

OORick loves Randy Orton
Ryder got bumped for this?
Jaime ninos (arrows in all directions)
ceelo...at least it's not kid rock.
Just wrestle
whoever wins we bitch

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Definitely like #1 and #3. The others are meh for me. Hope to see #1 in particular, would laugh my ass off it is found its way onto TV.

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I think we're only going to get 5 or 6 matches tops and Punk/Cena goes at least 45.
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Barrett/Bryan was added yesterday night/this morning on WWE.com, but yeah, Dev's pretty much spot on: 5 matches, Punk/Cena probably goes for a large portion of time, and for some reason Cee-Lo is on the show.





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So either Punk winning or Cena winning after a heel turn is the only way the IWC will be happy I gather?
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 11:13 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Just watching previews now.

Christian: "If you put me in a match with Orton, I'll sue as an unsafe working environment"

HHH: "Breach on contract, blah, blah, blah"

How stupid is that? Nobody bothered to mention that he's a wrestler, unsafe working environments are the whole point. That's insulting to our intelligence on so many different levels.

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Oops, NOOB beat me to it on Barrett/Bryan.

Here's my predictions;

Cena vs Punk; guest ref HHH - Title vs Title
We've all been talking about this one for a while now and are agreed that pretty much anything can happen so this one will be tough to predict, expecially with ADR lurking out there.

1) HHH goes for a corporate champ... Unlikely to be either Punk or Cena IMO. Cena basically spelled out why he won't be going heel, and if you move Punk to being a corporate champ he's overshadowed by HHH to an extent, IMO. ADR best fits this role, but again I think the problem you have is that the three participants are clicking at a "Real" level, and for say HHH to go heel and get himself a corporate champ suddenly pulls the story back into "Scripted".

2) Cena hit Punk with a very good point to close the show on Monday, and that's if Punk loses he's back to being nobody... I don't know if that's entirely true, as if he's very clearly screwed he could be the next Austin, but even then that's kind of murky because Punk's strength has come from not caring.. that he only holds the belt because it pisses them off. To suddenly start chasing the belt after signing a new contract would run counter to what he's been saying.

3) The ADR cash in... I threw it out there before that maybe the way to continue messing up the status quo is to have ADR cash in on a prone Cena thus taking only Cena's belt and keeping the multiple title thing going on for a while more. Punk could still be protected, and so could Cena to an extent as it took two guys to beat him, kina.

My preferred variation to this would be for ADR to try and officially cash in and to eat another boot to the face. I think him being the first failed MITB winner and having to face everyone's ridicule about his Destiny talk would take him to interesting places. ADR straight up cashing in and winning would suck on so many levels. I like the guy, but he's got one of the most stale characters, promo's, and entrances going.

Winner: Punk, but what comes after is anyone's guess.

Christian vs Orton - World title match - No holds barred
Summer slam used to be the finishing point to so many stories, but now it feels like we're just picking up steam on a few fronts... this is not one of those fronts as this should be the last time these two cross each others paths for a loooooong time.

This has been one of the worst booked feuds I can personally remember for a fledgling champ... I think Christians run is worse than Swagger's constantly jobbing to Mysterio or Y2J playing second fiddle to HHH and Stephanie's dog and marriage problems, so I want him to either end it or move on past this.

Given the make up of the rest of the card I'm actually kind of thinking Orton is going to win. The main event Cena vs Punk match will be a story finish so this one could probably use something a bit more concrete, and there's no way Christian is suddenly going to get the clean win he needed 4 months ago. Christian's promised a suprise, which kind of muddies this a bit...

if current Christian booking is consistent he'll win via a sexual harrasment suit because Orton can't read and thought that this was a no HOLES barred match and literally rapes Christian int he middle of the ring for the loss.

Winner; It feels like Orton is going to win, but I'm going to stick with Christian getting some suprise help and taking it that way.

Beth vs KK - Women's title
I think we're going to get an ECW Shane Douglas type moment out of this... Beth wins, but maybe not tonight, but tomorrow throws down the Diva's title and state's that she's a wrestler.

Beth kinda needs to win to re-establish her dominance and help make either KK or some other diva the underdog in a future, probably wrestlemania match.

Sheamus vs Mark Henry
My gut instinct says that we're getting a non-finish out of this one. Sheamus feels right for a face title shot, but at the same time Henry has been bringing it and a loss tonight kind of mucks that up.

Winner; So I'm guessing non-finish (unless Big show or Kane comes back for revenge) that leads to these two and Christian battling for the world title next month in a three way.... possibly with Orton involved to make it a four way... we haven't had one of them in a while.

Daniel Bryan vs Wade Barrett
This one's tricky, and in my opinion has a month or more worth of stuff they could do with it as both guys need a break through feud and both serve each other nicely to accomplish this.

Winner: Barrett gets the win, but this one isn't over yet.

Unannounced matches?

Rhodes vs Zeke - IC title
Quick and dirty with Rhodes cheating for the win, which will help end Zeke's rematch hopes and clear the way for Rhodes to start a proper feud next month.

Battle Royale
I guess it could just as easily be a big tag match like Rick suggested, but I like the idea of the BR because it gives the winner something he can brag about later, like why they should be the next #1 contender or something...

Spots would go to Rey, Miz, Truth, Jomo, ADR, Kofi, Bourne, Swagger..ect

Rey's getting his shot tomorrow night so I'd maybe do an injury spot on his knee to help cover for him tomorrow night a bit. ADR would almost take a powder on his own. Jomo seems to be in the dog house, and Bourne, Swagger, and Kofi are all canon fodder right now... which leaves you with either Truth or Miz, and I don't know about anyone else but the thought of those two either being forced to partner up or face one another already entertains me.

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Just watching previews now.

Christian: "If you put me in a match with Orton, I'll sue as an unsafe working environment"

HHH: "Breach on contract, blah, blah, blah"

How stupid is that? Nobody bothered to mention that he's a wrestler, unsafe working environments are the whole point. That's insulting to our intelligence on so many different levels.


Its weak admittedly, but maybe its no so much the match or the job that he's getting at being an unsafe working environment, but rather Orton and the companies lack of doing anything about him.

I mean two boxers face one another and from bell to bell its fine to beat the other guy senseless and if he gets hurt that's part of the job, but to boot the guy in the head or try and put him through a table after the bell is reckless... although why they would then focus on Orton and not Mark Henry's post match chair shots would kind of much this thinking up.

I kind of see this as being the introduction of the Christian - reality rule... that it will cut back on the random assaults so that they will mean something in the future... that in match violence is okay, but run ins and back stage/post match beatings are now assaults or at least fine or reprimand worthy.

If they're using this to help retcon some of the cliche's of wrestling I'm okay with that, as no matter how they try to get there it'll be ugly, much like the early days of the PG era's violence or chair shots... we questioned that in the beginning, but now over the top violent spots are treated as being meaningful again, instead of unrealistic mid match rest spots.

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CM Punk vs. John Cena (Champion vs. Champion, Triple H is the Special Referee)

I pick Punk.

It has seemed to me that since HHH took over, he has kinda favored Cena in certain situations, even if Cena has disagreed with him. This could go with a swerve of HHH backing Punk instead, or it can go with a plan that backfires to help Cena, even without Cena knowing about the "assist". Either way, Punk wins.

Christian vs. Randy Orton (No Holds Barred Match for the World Heavyweight Title)

Christian wins. Both Punk and Cena are faces, and they've gone through a bit of trouble to establish Christian as a coward-styled champ. I think it's too soon to switch back to Orton with the build-up of Christian still in progress. And he's heel, to counter the RAW face champ.

Sheamus vs. Mark Henry

Sheamus wins. Newly turned face, still needs to be presented as a monster of a guy himself.

Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix (Female Title Match)

Beth wins. KK is just no match here, and it appears WWE wants to start taking the Divas another direction.

Daniel Bryan vs. Wade Barrett

I'm gonna say Barrett, and the feud won't end here.





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ADR/Miz/Truth vs. Kofi/JoMo/Rey

Rey pins Truth

CM Punk talks with Stephanie after fake apology to Johnny Ace.

Mark Henry vs. Sheamus

Henry by count-out after running Sheamus thru the ringside barrier.

*Side note...the people at the barrier were obvious plants, because their reactions to it were way to over-the-top. Watch for the seated guy with his hands over his mouth, and the guy across from him.

Now it's Ceelo....

*Maybe it's because I'm over 40, but I can't understand a single thing this guy is singing/yelling...but I do know the words to "Fuck/Forget You"

Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix

Kelly pins Beth Phoenix clean.

Stephanie walks out of Cena's dressing room looking angry.

Truth talks to Jimmy Hart. Hart tells him he needs Jimmy Hart. Leads to Little Jimmy freak-out. Ron Artest looks on.


Barrett vs. Bryan

Barrett beats Bryan via Wasteland.

Christian vs. Orton

Edge comes out and says it was unfair for the 5 day defense. Says Christian whined & moaned too much. But he won it back on a DQ. Edge says he wasn't boring & hid behind people. Says Christian became a disgrace to himself. Edge says he will always be his friend, but didn't know Christian would turn into a "whining crying little bitch" then walks out.

Orton wins Heavyweight Championship after giving Christion the RKO on the steel steps in the ring. Kendo sticks, tables, garbage cans, and Orton gets a busted lip.

HHH & Steph confab in the hall all serious-like & silent. HHH kisses her and walks off in his ref shirt.

Now is the ten minute recap segments leading us to....

C.M. Punk vs. John Cena

Both outside to count of nine. HHH gets out of the ring and throws both back in to continue the match.
Lots of nearfalls. Very back-&-forth match. Crowd seems evenly split.
Frustration setting in. Both have questioned HHH two-counts.

Punk wins with Cena's foot on rope.

Cena talks to HHH, who shrugs it off as not seeing it.

Punk doesn't shake HHH's hand after match. HHH raises Punk's hand as winner.

Kevin Nash takes out Punk with the Jackknife powerbomb. HHH looks on.

ADR comes out with MiB case. Kick to the head of Punk.

Alberto Del Rio is the New WWE CHAMPION!!!!

HHH looks confused.

Bleech ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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C.M. Punk = Awesome

Did they seriously just show a movie trailer??

at the risk of being crude....all Ceelo's missing is a black hood....

Commercials??? seriously??

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Commercials??? seriously??


I guess $45 for a pay-per-view isn't enough.

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Kelly pins Beth clean??? Seems like they just killed that whole angle.





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Kelly pins Beth clean??? Seems like they just killed that whole angle.


I don't know if I'd say it killed the whole angle, but I don't like that result either. Had I gotten my predictions in on time, I'd have thought Beth a near lock to win the title off of Kelly. I'm assuming Beth still gets the belt sooner than later though.

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So, what's the score on Orton vs. Inanimate objects now??
He about screwed up his tailbone on the edge of that table with the superplex.

at least the Spanish announce table gave the first try this time?

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Just so you know:

Even *I* think Randy Orton just had one of the 3 best matches of his career. Granted: with him, that's not saying much, since he has a Luger-like level of futility when it comes to "video keeper" matches among alleged main eventers. But regardless, Christian just joined Taker and Foley when it comes to Orton Matches Worth Watching.

Good stuff. Truly, OORick Loves Orton....


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Lots o' filler crap on this show.
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Orton/Christian sounded really good, but Orton winning the belt yet again and the prospect of an Orton/Henry title feud does absolutely nothing for me. I think my current enjoyment of Smackdown has already gone down 43%.

And it's amazing how one-sided Orton's feuds with Christian and Punk were. I literally can't remember the last time he lost a one-on-one match cleanly. He's the real Superman of the WWE, not Cena.

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And it's amazing how one-sided Orton's feuds with Christian and Punk were. I literally can't remember the last time he lost a one-on-one match cleanly. He's the real Superman of the WWE, not Cena.



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And it's amazing how one-sided Orton's feuds with Christian and Punk were. I literally can't remember the last time he lost a one-on-one match cleanly. He's the real Superman of the WWE, not Cena.



So...are we still waiting to see where the "Christian is a loser" storyline is going or can we start complaining now?





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Holy crap, what an ending....

Just as I was starting to get over the awesomeness of the "Thank you, Savage" chant (after Punk hit a textbook Macho Man Elbow), the match was over, with Punk winning via HHH's Referreial Ineptitude... just as I was starting to wonder why HHH powdered out so easily after fake-arguing with HHH, a special guest shows up: KEVIN F'N DIESEL NASH... Diesel decapitates Punk with a Big Boot.... del Rio shows up and cashes in MitB, and easily pins the decimated Punk, all while HHH watches on and acts like he's surprised.

Awesome.

I was honestly wondering about that Rey re-match clause for tomorrow, and didn't think either Punk or Cena fit for the match/angle they're going to run.... but I didn't quite have the balls to say del Rio would win the title (though I had the half-sac to suggest it was a possibility if you look at my preview)... they're going full out for tomorrow, though: Cena/Punk/HHH/Diesel is one thing, and del Rio can crush/injure Rey in their WWE Title match to get him off on a good foot.

I have my own ideas for how to make this awesome/better, but for now, the mere presence of Master Nash on TV makes me willing to sit back and wait-and-see.... he is, afterall, the one who got me US citizenship after I moved here from Madagasgar.


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Holy crap, what an ending....

Just as I was starting to get over the awesomeness of the "Thank you, Savage" chant (after Punk hit a textbook Macho Man Elbow), the match was over, with Punk winning via HHH's Referreial Ineptitude... just as I was starting to wonder why HHH powdered out so easily after fake-arguing with HHH, a special guest shows up: KEVIN F'N DIESEL NASH... Diesel decapitates Punk with a Big Boot.... del Rio shows up and cashes in MitB, and easily pins the decimated Punk, all while HHH watches on and acts like he's surprised.

Awesome.

I was honestly wondering about that Rey re-match clause for tomorrow, and didn't think either Punk or Cena fit for the match/angle they're going to run.... but I didn't quite have the balls to say del Rio would win the title (though I had the half-sac to suggest it was a possibility if you look at my preview)... they're going full out for tomorrow, though: Cena/Punk/HHH/Diesel is one thing, and del Rio can crush/injure Rey in their WWE Title match to get him off on a good foot.

I have my own ideas for how to make this awesome/better, but for now, the mere presence of Master Nash on TV makes me willing to sit back and wait-and-see.... he is, afterall, the one who got me US citizenship after I moved here from Madagasgar.


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DevilSoprano
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 03:24 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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[Edited on 8-15-2011 by DevilSoprano]

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