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So with the E's ban on piledrivers and other headcrushing moves, many wrestlers have resorted to using neckbreaker variations, uranage
variations, crazy flippy flying maneuvers (I'm looking at you, John Morrison) or some other not-credible manuevers as finishers.
Case in point, Dolph Ziggler's Zig Zag, which, as best as I can tell, is a jumping release Russian Leg Sweep. Now, I think it's fine as a
regular move (even if looks a little goofy), but it doesn't cut it as a finisher in today's modern wrestling landscape. IMO, the same
thing can be said for Dolph's Sleeper Hold, Zack Ryder's Rough Ryder, JTG's wraparound clothesline, Mark Henry's World's
Strongest Slam, Yoshi Tatsu's roundhouse kick (CM Punk uses it as a regular move), and even Kofi's Trouble in Paradise. They're all
fine as part of the regular moveset, but doesn't look strong enough to be a finishing move.
With that premise, I ask the fOOrums to suggest a viable WWE-sanctioned finisher that can be used by a wrestler. The move can be a takedown, strike,
submission, off the top rope, anything you can think of, as long as it's modern, it looks like it hurts, and it's WWE-sanctioned, meaning
no head-dropping brainbusters or Canadian Destroyers.
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 09:58 AM
Whatever happened to top rope finishers? Dropkicks, elbows, knees, legs, clotheslines, flying tackles, anything. Those seem to be dinosaurs.
I've always been fond of submission finishers myself and there's one that I've only heard used in wrestling fiction that I'm
still surprised that nobody uses in real life. Or fake real life.
Anyway, there was a medieval torture device called a Thumbscrew. It evolved into a basic digit-crushing tool that looked like those
springy-stress-relief things we see today, but that when was when people got lazy with their torture and didn't enjoy it as much. The original
was far more dastardly.
Basically, you were strapped in a chair and your thumb was inserted in this little metal tube and turning the screw would turn your thumb while your
hand stayed strapped down in place. Suffice it to say, the screw didn't have to turn much before ligaments started popping and bones started
breaking. There's a prominent ligament in the thumb, the UCL, which if torn basically renders a hand useless.
Anyway, in order to adapt this for wrestling, I'd just have a fallen wrestler lying face down and then sit on his back, trap his arm between
your legs, grab his hand and start twisting his thumb off. You'd always get one of those semi-annoying insta-taps, though, so if that bothers
some people, it might not work. Call it the Thumbscrew, or some character-appropriate slang term and there you are.
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 12:06 PM
I like submissions and sleepers as finishers. I agree Dolph's sleeper is a bit bland but Waylon Mercy's for example was awesome. I think
the trick to the sleeper type hold is you need the right type of heel (a bit psycho, a bit illogical) to really make them scary. Someone like Miz or
R-truth could probably use it right now though.
The standard sleeper though looks too much like a headlock for my liking. I'd be quite happy to see someone bring back the dragon sleeper as a
finisher though or one of those armbased sleepers like the million dollar dream.
I'd also like to see the return of the cross face chickenwing which if done right actually looks like it hurts. You can also build off its
History. One submission I never saw anyone use much but which I thought looked awesome was the stump-puller. I think you'd need a monster heel
to pull it off but hey, better than the masterlock.
In terms of impact finishers I've got a fever and the only prescription is more powerbombs.
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 01:37 PM
I like the Zig Zag. Hate the name, but the basic premise sells to me. Jump up, throw somebody onto the back of their head with the momentum of your
jump + your strength. Yes please. It looks like it hurts, even if Ziggler hurts himself in the delivery. Rob Van Dam has been killing himself for 15
years, but nobody questions the Five Star.
With the popularity of MMA coming into focus, basic submission moves become more viable in wrestling, in my opinion. Samoa Joe is / was sold as a
submission monster on the strength of his sleeper / bodyscissors combination. D. Bryan picks up wins with the guillotine and the convoluted arm trap
trap crossface. ADR wins with Jerry Flynn's cross armbar. Hell, somebody in TNA beat The Pope with a surfboard. I felt they were legit every
time.
With that said, all neck based offense look like winners to me. Everybody knows that it doesn't take much to injure a neck. Whenever wrestlers
do a Rude Awakening style neckbreaker, the audience goes "Ooooooooo!" and does a collective wince. I saw Layla deliver her neckbreaker one time
where she dropped to her knees instead of the usual sitout or layout version, and I was like "Jesus, that looked like it hurt". Diving knee drops?
Same deal. Rookie Bob Holly had a finisher called the Pit Stop Plunge where he did a diving knee drop that looked devastating. He used it maybe
twice.
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 02:45 PM
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 04:01 PM
Dolph Ziggler + sweet chin music = main event heel
I'm with Punk.
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 04:35 PM
It has to be carefully chosen who does it, but the time is right for a "breakout" star to use the stunner again.
Likewise some other classic finishers from the past.
The fact is there are only so many finishers which look devastating without looking convoluted.
I don't agree with the above about Mark Henry's strongest slam, as its one of the more genuine finishers in use today and could cripple if
done for real by a guy that size!
Top rope moves etc are way overused these days though. A superplex used to be a match ender, now its a routine move in a Diva's match!
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 04:49 PM
I'd like to see someone bring back the Figure Four. Heck, give it to Dolph.
The Superplex SHOULD be a match ender, or at least setting up one.
Perhaps something like a combination Slingshot Suplex/Gordbuster
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 04:54 PM
I hate the rough Ryder as a finisher.
A good mid-card finisher is the perfect plex, I know that perfect Jr is on the roster but have some one attack McGillicutty to demand the chance to
utilise it as a finisher.
Someone really needs to steal the Jackhammer!
Powerbombs never go out of fashion.
Kinda shocked only Ms Taker gets the Styles Clash.
Has the DVD been but on the banned list?
Put me on the Cross-face chicken wing comeback list.
I know this is kinda against what you want, but debut the 720 ddt on Raw & become over like rover!
If they make it a killer move, and the crowd buys into it the WWE could make any move a finisher, remember the WWF title changed hands because of a
rope running elbow drop.
How about this for a story, Austin comes back to bestow the Stone Cold Stunner on a worthy successor leading to some heel getting pissed off &
demanding the use of the move. Hell it's nearly 10years since Austin in ring retirement, why not use a known commodity.
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 05:17 PM
Richie Steamboat will be the next wrestler to use the Superkick as his finisher. He has a whole angle based around it in FCW at the moment, and he
hits it beautifully.
Dean Ambrose uses the Celtic Cross (Finlay's finisher aka the Air Raid Crash).
Ziggler is being held back by lack of finisher - I might just give him something like the Stone Cold Stunner. Perfectplex would work as well, but I
assume they'll eventually give that to McGillacuddy along with a namechange and a push.
I'm surprised nobody ever stole Doug Williams Chaos Theory roll through suplex. I've always liked that.
Goldust's Final Cut twisting suplex was solid and could be used -
The figure-four leg lock would probably garner wooooo's from the crowd, but is basic but an established finisher.
The Roaring Elbow is another simple favorite of mine and I hope Hero brings it with him when he comes to the wwe -
If somebody brought back the crossface chickenwing it would have to be a heel Daniel Bryan. I think it would be perfect for him - I don't like
the LaBell Lock really, or the guillotine sleeper/choke. Cattle Mutilation won't be used as a finisher in the wwe because the opponents face is
down in the mat and can't sell with facials as a result. I'd like to see CM used because it traps both arms so the opponent can't
tap - it would be a good heel submission. On the crossface chickenwing I believe the hands are supposed to be gripped together - something Backlund
never did that Bryan would have to do.
[Edited on 9-25-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 06:07 PM
Doesn't Hero have a combination Neckbreaker into elbow that could be a pretty damn good finisher?
Yes, yes he does
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 07:02 PM
Bring back the Big Wiggle!
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 09:01 PM
quote:Case in point, Dolph Ziggler's Zig Zag, which, as best as I can tell, is a jumping release Russian Leg Sweep. Now, I think it's
fine as a regular move (even if looks a little goofy), but it doesn't cut it as a finisher in today's modern wrestling
landscape.
I don't get why Dolph doesn't use the fameasser as a finisher rather than as a setup move like he sometimes does. It's quick,
it's identifable, credible and works on anyone.
Why doesn't anyone use the F5 today? Is it just a fuck you to Brock?
Full Nelson Slam. Chris Masters would have been a bit more bearable if he'd used that in conjunction with the Masterlock.
There's a british wrestler called Kid Fite who uses a finisher called The Lockback DDT, which is basically a DDT with a hammerlock and one of
his legs coiled round his opponents, which makes it look really stiff and powerfull at times. There's a montage of him using it at about 3
minutes into this video:
[Edited on 25-9-11 by Stu]
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 10:13 PM
That DDT does look brutal even before the hammerlock.
Doesn't Kelly Kelly use the fameasser when she's not using a roll up to kill any interest in the Diva title?
I was thinking if Barrett started Wasteland from a pump handle beginning it would look more badass, but then the way Gabriel sold it was brutal.
I always loved the moonsault press onto a standing opponent.
Didn't Shane Douglas use a Uranage hold only dropping to his knees in a version of a stunner which is the kind of hybrid Rock - Austin tribute
that someone like Ryder could make his own!
A single leg Boston crab needs to be used by someone.
Does anyone in WWE use a frog splash?
How much heel heat of Vickie gets someone to turn & join her faction & then started using it?
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 10:47 PM
Speaking of the Wasteland, Kennedy used to do a top rope version of it (I forget what it they called it, but it was a mix of a Wasteland and Swanton
Bomb). That finisher was a big reason why he got over in the first place -- why not give it to someone else, since he'll likely never be back
in WWE?
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 10:56 PM
Because they'd likely only be allowed to use it a few times/sparingly before reverting to something more safe like what happened with Kennedy.
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I have it in my head that people refused to take that finisher, am I right in "green bay plunge" or am I far off?
Does anyone remember Rikishi or Bam Bam using a piledriver variation were the head was totally protected?
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posted on 9-25-2011 at 11:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by denverpunk
Speaking of the Wasteland, Kennedy used to do a top rope version of it (I forget what it they called it, but it was a mix of a Wasteland and Swanton
Bomb). That finisher was a big reason why he got over in the first place -- why not give it to someone else, since he'll likely never be back
in WWE?
I always liked that finisher 1) because it looked awesome but more importantly 2) because it was a top (second?) rope version of the kamikaze crash
one of the finishers of british wrestling legend Kendo Nagazaki. Check it out here in all its 70's glory (literally the first ten seconds of
this clip)
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 12:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by diablo_dor
Does anyone remember Rikishi or Bam Bam using a piledriver variation were the head was totally protected?
Yes. Bam Bam's was called "Greetings from Asbury Park".
Greetings from Asbury Park through a table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG7wQCVIZYE#t=06m36s
I think this variation would be good to use.
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 12:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by denverpunk
Speaking of the Wasteland, Kennedy used to do a top rope version of it (I forget what it they called it, but it was a mix of a Wasteland and Swanton
Bomb). That finisher was a big reason why he got over in the first place -- why not give it to someone else, since he'll likely never be back
in WWE?
That's not a wasteland. It's a flipping fireman carry like Kennedy and Finlay do from a standing position.
Totally agree I'm the Dragon Sleeper and one-legged crab, especially if there's a roll through like Lance Storm used to do. Also would
like to see a rolling butterfly lock.
I'd also love to see a big man like Brodus Clay use the stretch muffler. Looks like it hurts, makes him look powerful, and probably a couple of
cool ways to counter out of it.
And the reverse brainbuster is pretty sweet.
Seems like the new trend is variations of moves from the dvd position (FU, GTS, Wasteland), so the F5 might come back.
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 01:54 AM
quote:Originally posted by diablo_dor
Has the DVD been but on the banned list?
Attitude Adjuster is too close to DVD to let a WWE wrestler use it as a finisher. Last guy to use it was Dreamer, I think?
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 02:10 AM
I'd also like to see more submissions used. I don't think anybody has used the Sharpshooter since Benoit (other than Bret's
occasional appearances) and I don't think anybody really associates that move with him, so I think it'd be safe to give to somebody. (I
might be totally wrong and Tyson Kidd might use this move, but it's not like he ever wins or anything, so does it even count?)
If they aren't going to ever bring in Samoa Joe, someone might as well start using the rear naked choke.
Wasn't Skip Sheffield using a backpack stunner or something as a finisher? That was actually kind of cool.
And somebody should start using Carlito's lungblower again. That move always looked vicious to me.
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Nattie uses the sharpshooter the few times she wrestles and is allowed to win.
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 02:50 AM
Sheffield did do a nice looking stunner. And Truth occasionally does an Osaka Cutter, which is like a suplex into a stunner but I don't think
he's ever won with it.
I don't think anyone will take Carlito's move since James Storm uses it in TNA.
Rock will probably use the Sharpshooter at Wrestlemania.
How about the Derailer or the choke bomb that Gallows/Albert used to use?
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 03:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
I don't think anyone will take Carlito's move since James Storm uses it in TNA.
I don't think that matters. Sheamus' Celtic Cross is basically the same thing as Hernandez' Border Toss, but with less muscle.
Kaz' Flux Capacitor is the same thing as Sin Cara's nameless finisher #1. Although it could explain why no one has used the F5 in the E
since Brock, while Gunner is currently using it in TNA.
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