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posted on 1-4-2016 at 03:11 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
OOfficial Discussion: NXT 2016

New year means new catch-all threads for all our "beloved" secondary shows...

NXT is in a bit of a lull in terms of new action (one show pretaped in London, then 2 year in review episodes), but is currently conducting Best of 2015 Award Voting. You can participate here:

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/wwe-nxt-year-end-awards-2015-28420735

First-run NXT action resumes on Wednesday night, 1/13, and the winners will also be announced that night.

January will be a big month for NXT, as they're already sold out for a Chicago/Milwaukee loop, including having to add a second show in Chicago (a Sunday afternoon matinee to go with the originally scheduled evening show). That weekend was already going to be notable for NXT's first-ever split-crew shows (a B-team is running high school gyms in Florida)... but because of the added show, Sunday 1/17 will see NXT run three shows in one day, something WWE hasn't attempted in quite a while.

NXT is also running a big event (at a real arena, not at Full Sail's studios) in Orlando during Rumble Weekend (same as they did in Brooklyn for SummerSlam, and will do again in Dallas for WrestleMania).... mixed signals on whether it will air as a special event on The Network, or if it's just something they added to make it more of a Destination Weekend for out-of-towners. The event is on Friday, Saturday is the first ever Performance Center Open House, and Sunday is the Rumble, all in Orlando.

If the next Takeover isn't until Dallas, I think I speak for all when I say: let's just get Baron Corbin's title shot over and done with, pronto, because WM Weekend Fans will brutalize any attempt to run Corbin/Balor for the NXT Title....



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posted on 1-8-2016 at 11:34 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Good news, everyone!

The fears of Baron Corbin vs. Finn Balor at Takeover: Wrestlemania were unfounded!

The timeline for this is a bit wonky, because WWE finally got around to taping fresh NXT last night (they'd done two straight weeks of wrap-up shows), and technically, this could count as a spoiler. BUt on the other hand, WWE.com has announced it themselves, so:

At the big Orlando show -- which is NOT a special Network event, but which will be taped for future weekly NXT shows -- it will be Sami Zayn vs. Samoa Joe, and the winner will face Balor on WM weekend.

Combine this with the article that strongly suggests that the non-Styles members of the Bullet Club are being courted more as an NXT-level act than a main roster one (at least to start and get them introduced to the WWE audience, as they did with the Wyatts and Owens), could make WrestleMania the second best show of that weekend, the way top guys keep droppings.

I am only half kidding.

NXT returns with fresh content next Wednesday with: an address from Sami Zayn, setting forth his goals upon returning to NXT.... Ciampa and Sampson "in action" (remember your Saturday Morning Superstars code for "squashes")... Dash & Dawson vs. the Ascension... a women's Battle Royale to determine Bayley's next challenger.... and the announcement of NXT's year-end awards (as referenced above)...




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posted on 1-16-2016 at 12:26 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
NXT Awardie Winners:

Overall and Male Competitor of the Year: Finn Balor
Female Competitor of the Year: Bayley
Tag Team of the Year: Enzo and Cass
Match of the Year: Bayley vs. Sasha Banks (Brooklyn)
Takeover of the Year: Brooklyn

Ten out of ten to NXT for refusing to use "Superstar" or "Diva" in the awards' names. But man alive, I wish "wrestler" wasn't such an obscene word in WWE-think, because "competitor" isn't QUITE the right syntax.... that's the word you use to describe the scrappy, hard-nosed, uniform-is-always-dirty overachiever who isn't actually very good. "Man, he's not the most talented guy on the field, but everyday, he shows up and COMPETES." Or is that just me?

Bit of a head-scratcher on Enzo/Cass, but I can easily see how the other deserving teams may have split the vote (Dragons left for the main roster, Blake & Murphey had the titles for a long time but are douchey heels who have disappeared lately, Dash & Dawson are the current champs but are boring heels who didn't do anything until August, Jordan & Gable only came on starting in October, and the Vaudevillians..... hey, wait, why not the Vaudvillains?), so it's no big deal.

Other than that, Wednesday's show set the stage for Zayn and Joe (and, to a lesser extent, for weekly TV purposes) battling over the #1 Contendership to Balor, and ended with Carmella winning a Battle Royale to become the #1 Contender to Bayley's title (with a very entertaining little triple psyche-out at the end, with both Asuka and Eva Marie appearing to have it won).

There isn't a whole lot of urgency, as they don't have any major blow-offs imminent. This is "biding time to figure out where to put all our pieces come Takeover: Dallas" Mode; even the big arena show in Orlando over Rumble Weekend features the #1 Contender Match for Dallas as the main event, not an actual title match (and the lauded women's division takes a break, as Bayley gets Carmella, as she bides her time until probably-Asuka steps up). But as long as NXT features the one really good match per week, and keeps the Churn going so that there are constantly different fresh guys/girls to be interested in on the undercard, in addition to the established acts, that's some quality episodic TV....



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posted on 1-17-2016 at 01:59 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Foxy Thoughts: NXT Awards

Overall and Male Competitor of the Year: Finn Balor
Lolnope. Kevin Owens.

Female Competitor of the Year: Bayley
Also nope. Sasha Banks.

Tag Team of the Year: Enzo and Cass
I'm fine with this. They're behind in terms of accomplishment, but way ahead of everyone but the Vaudevillains and Freddy Willing & Gable (too new) in terms of entertainment. Like Rick, I'd have been fine with a Vaudevillains win, though I'd have to say the Dubstep Bros. deserve it the most. Like Rick, I think Dash & Dawson are boring.

Match of the Year: Bayley vs. Sasha Banks (Brooklyn)
Good call. Sasha-Becky was more technically sound, but had less of a big match feel. Owens-Balor in Tokyo was a close second.

Takeover of the Year: Brooklyn
Agreed. Great show.

Some extra awards

Best Gimmick: "The Perfect 10" Tye Dillinger
I don't really even know WTF Dillinger is supposed to be, but he plays it to the hilt. I personally like Elias Sampson's gimmick more, but he's too new and I need to see more of it

Worst Gimmick: Bull(FIT!) Dempsey
Wall-to-wall terrible. Dempsey gets fat-shamed despite not being noticeably bigger than monsters like Samoa Joe, Kevin Owens, or Bray Wyatt. He gets caught sloppily eating like Augustus Gloop, and then has to pretend he's an adult professional wrestler who doesn't know how to lift weights. All so he can be recycled as a comedy jobber. Yuck. And it's really a shame, because Bull Dempsey swung for the fences. That he hasn't joined the Vaudevillains makes me a sad panda.

Most Improved: (Don't kill me!) Baron (Seriously, don't kill me!) Corbin (I'm sorry, okay?!)
He really has gotten better. From solid brawls with Rhyno and Samoa Joe, to what I found a pretty entertaining match with Apollo Crews, his ring work has gone from a D- to a solid C. And he's actually a better talker than fan faves like Joey Samoey and Finn Balor. He's not good yet, by any means, but he's improved noticeably.

Rookie of the Year: Apollo Crews
I mean, duh. From his charming debut to his impressive moveset and obvious charisma, Crews won me over instantly. If he wasn't, y'know, black, I'd say he's a lock for the WWE title one day.

Feud of the Year: Vaudevillains vs. Dubstep Bros.
Where WWE tends to overbook, NXT tends to underbook. So we don't really get very intense or complex feuds so much as excuses for matches. That's actually fine by me: basic storytelling is often better storytelling. So it was nice to see a fun tag-team feud with a simple, character-driven setup (The chivalrous Vaudevillains had no answer to Alexa Bliss's interference) and a satisfying, crowd-pleasing payoff (the Vaudevillains call in the popular Bluepants). We got some excellent matches, and Alexa's emergence as the best talker on the women's roster post-Sasha.

Most Overrated: Finnegan Balor
Sorry, dudes. He can't talk. He has no character. The Demon is stoopid. The Coup de Grace looks awful 86% of the time. I think he needs a heel turn and a personality. Maybe one will grow from the other.

Most Underutilized: Tyler Breeze
It's no surprise WWE called Tyler up: He was by far the most polished, big-show-ready performer in all of NXT. Great talker, great worker, great look, great character work. It's also no surprise he's already a jobber there. The real shame is he was a Jobber to the Stars in NXT, when he should've had a nice run as champ. He could've been the heel that made me give a shit about Finley Balor. If WWE was smart, they'd move Breeze back to NXT and have him be its #1 heel. So they won't do that.

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I really don't get the Tyler Breeze love. I just don't. He's the least intimidating heel I've seen in an age. He's yet another in the endless line of narcissist heels, he's just using a selfie stick instead of having a perfume sprayer or a mirror. He has in-ring talent, but it's just crippled by the gimmick for me. How you can love him and think Finn Balor is overrated, I have no idea. Just goes to show that it really is subjective.





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Yar, I think we've differed on this before.

To be clear, I don't think Balor is BAD. He's fine. Good worker, good look, and a really jake dude. I just think he ain't all that. His mic skills are severely lacking. He's yet to put on a truly great match on par with Zayn-Cesaro or Zayn-Neville. His entrance is, at best, lovably cheesy fluff. His character is poorly defined: He's yet another Sports Competitor, but with a "fun" entrance.

But the IWC seems to think he's the second coming of Shawn goddamn Michaels or something and is a hair's breadth from international superstardom at any given time. IMO, at his age, he'll be lucky to even sniff the WWE title, unless he pulls a lot of charisma out of his Legomaniac Irish ass in a hurry. That he won Competitor of the Year over Kevin Owens proves he's overrated. Kevin Owens spits hot fire and put on a MOTY candidate with Jon Cena.

As for Breeze, I know I'm in the minority when it comes to my unadulterated love for Gimmicks. I like characters, not Sports Competitors. Which is what WWE almost exclusively is nowadays: Firstname Lastnames who show up with maybe some cursory visual hook (but usually just look like MMA rejects) and mostly just want to win belts or whatever. Nevermind that such a character hasn't gotten over big since maybe Batista (who was very gifted), WWE is addicted to it and shows no signs of stopping. The Shield got over. The Wyatts got over. Daniel Bryan got over. All characters with gimmicks, not sports competitors. Wrestling fans WANT characters, not competitors. If they wanted competitors, they'd go watch MMA.

So I'll batten on to a Tyler Breeze or an Elias Samson or Stardust or Adam Rose with all my might, because they're characters. I know it's only a matter of time before they're jobbing to Tattooed Sportsdouche 3,703A or whatever, but I pull for them because they're the history and future of wrestling.

That Breeze is a fighting narcissist isn't a strike against him but a big point in his favor. It's one of the oldest wrestling gimmicks for a reason: narcissists are easy to hate. The selfie stick and shifting addresses make for a clever update of the gimmick for Millenials. I like Breeze in particular because he nails the mannerisms, the little details, the Zoolander voice.

Also, who said heels need to be intimidating? They need to be effective. That's up to booking.





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I like Finn a lot, but Tyler Breeze is closer to HBK than Balor is, in November, style, and character. I think he's great. I mean, there's a reason he got to wrestle Justin Thunder Liger in his only match under the wwe banner. I hope he gets a fair shot at greatness.
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For the record, I'm fine with guys having gimmicks. I much prefer Stardust to generic Cody Rhodes. The Wyatts are one of my favorite acts going and they're obviously gimmicky as hell. For whatever reason, Tyler's just doesn't click with me. He does seem like a good dude - I've seen him on UpUpDownDown a few times and he seemed very personable and cool. He feels like a guy I maybe should like, but I've tried and I just don't really. I'm fine with him pretty much about where he is or with the occasional push. The closest analogy I can think of is dated - The Hurricane. I actually loved the Hurricane gimmick and thought it was fun, but it was a midcard gimmick and was treated as such.





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Oh, I never thought you disliked gimmicks. I'm sure you like 'em fine. I was just saying my deep and abiding love for them makes me biased toward the Tyler Breezes and Adam Roses of the world.

As for midcard gimmicks, I'd argue a lot of characters start that way, in both wrestling and other media. You start with something simple and accessible (zombie, cantankerous redneck, white rapper) and use stories to build a more nuanced persona (Undertaker, Stone Cold, Jon Cena). Shawn Michaels began with a very similar Fighting Narcissist/Male Model gimmick and became Shawn Michaels.

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I am in complete agreement with Foxy about Finn Balor and Tyler Breeze. I get the impression that he and I might be the only two people who don't think that Balor has "it" yet and that Tyler Breeze is the better overall performer of the two.

To me, Balor is a guy who puts on consistently good matches, but doesn't do anything else well. I guess he does that inner demon ring entrance pretty well, but I have trouble buying into it because he only does it for Takeover specials. He lacks character. There is some kind of a sinister demonic character that I could see him doing with the body paint and the ring entrance, but he has not tapped into it. Maybe that is what he needs to get over the hump of being a good wrestler who has a bland character/personality. However, there is no way of knowing unless he builds that character around his body paint and ring entrance and does it full-time.

Tyler Breeze does everything awesome. The only knock I have on him is his finisher. I've been conditioned over years of watching wrestling that the spinning heel count is good for a 2-count at best. It looks like the guy performing the kick hits the mat harder than the guy receiving it and yet they want me to believe that he can get up and pin the guy receiving the move for a 3-count when no one else has ever used it to score a pinfall victory in the last 25 years. With a believable finishing maneuver - like maybe the Unprettier - Breeze would be the complete package.





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I think the last match that Breeze won he used the Unprettier as his finisher. I hope to see him start winning more matches and getting a decent program soon.
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He's been using the Unprettier on and off for a while now I think it's probably just not been noticed or "over" as it should be because, well, commentators be commentators.

Balor's demon thing is a problem and a plus. It adds some gimmickry to his vanilla paste character but he needs to actually sell the transformation a bit more.

It's not an Undertaker thing where, at this point, it's some dude using his obsession with morbidity to add a layer of intimidation to his character, it's supposed to be him psyching himself up by channeling his inner demon but he never seems to actually go any harder than he normally does it's just him with some paint on.

Shout, scream, intensely no sell and fire up just do... something other than prancing about a bit more during your entrance.

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I think the last match that Breeze won he used the Unprettier as his finisher. I hope to see him start winning more matches and getting a decent program soon.


Breeze apparently is in the doghouse for leaving a tv taping without permission. At this stage, especially after the shuddering halt to his first push with Hot Summer, I'd sooner guess that he'll be gone altogether fairly soon or being designated down to JTTS status.





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I'm very, very happy about this.








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Awwww yeaaaah...



I might be in the minority saying this, but I'm more excited to see Aries signed than I am Styles. Granted Styles has a better chance of being sent straight to the main roster and probably has a higher ceiling, but Aries has been one my guys for years and after having him get passed over so many times in the past I'm glad to see him get his due. I still get smark-pissy every time I think about him getting overlooked for the Tough Enough that "Silent Rage" won even though that was probably a blessing in disguise. Oh and hey, he's already got a shirt, so it looks like they'll be letting him keep his name too.





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Wow, that is a huge pickup for NXT. Hopefully they can also bring in Rosita with him as a package deal.





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Aries coming in is awesome. I would have concerns about him with Vince, just because Aries is a shitload of talent in a pretty small package. His natural charisma and mic work should do a lot for him. One of the good things about TNA going to crap is that all the people I used to watch TNA for are finding their way to WWE at last. Pretty much just Beer Money and the Machine Guns to get the complete set.





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He's been using the Unprettier on and off for a while now I think it's probably just not been noticed or "over" as it should be because, well, commentators be commentators.

Balor's demon thing is a problem and a plus. It adds some gimmickry to his vanilla paste character but he needs to actually sell the transformation a bit more.

It's not an Undertaker thing where, at this point, it's some dude using his obsession with morbidity to add a layer of intimidation to his character, it's supposed to be him psyching himself up by channeling his inner demon but he never seems to actually go any harder than he normally does it's just him with some paint on.

Shout, scream, intensely no sell and fire up just do... something other than prancing about a bit more during your entrance.


All of this. It's just theatrics. A dance he does for the crowd, with no real bearing on his character.

Remember when Mick Foley and HHH were feuding, and Mick finally, fiiiiinally became Cactus Jack again, and everyone knew it was, objectively, on? That's what the Demon Needs to be for Finn Balor. He's doesn't become a supernatural monster from heck, but he ramps up the intensity and aggression and mindgames and -- y'know -- becomes interesting.

As for Austin Aries... I have never seen him do anything at all so I'll take y'all's word for his goodness. TNA is that thing that happens to other people with time to watch TNA. But NXT skimming the cream from their roster (giggity) is all to the good. I was less than plused by the Outlaw Redneck Cowboy or whatever, but Samosef Iosef was a good get. Now just detox Kurt Angle and unretire Taryn Tarrell.

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Aries coming in is awesome. I would have concerns about him with Vince, just because Aries is a shitload of talent in a pretty small package. His natural charisma and mic work should do a lot for him. One of the good things about TNA going to crap is that all the people I used to watch TNA for are finding their way to WWE at last. Pretty much just Beer Money and the Machine Guns to get the complete set.


I feel that unlike other guys Aries makes his size work for him. The guy is a phenomenal thrash talker and the fact that so many shit gets spewed is even more aggravating because it's coming from such a little dickhead. Like Shawn in 97 when he feuded with Taker and Bret. It's seems that it should be so easy to shut the litte fucker up but he keeps walking away unscathed or twists the results so much that he convinces himself that he is still the best and you have to wait for somebody else to hopefully put him in his place for good.

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Tonight's show

Best I can tell, tonight's show is not live on the network - unlike recent big 4 snows where NXT the night before is an event. Too bad, as HHH is advertising a surprise.
There is an Evolve show in Orlando tonight with Regal announced as attending, so perhaps with the relationship they don't want NXT to totally overshadow Evolve?

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Full NXT Takeover Dallas card:

- Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Sami Zayn
- Finn Balor vs. Samoa Joe (Men's championship)
- Bayley vs. Asuka (Women's championship)
- Dash & Dawson vs. American Alpha (Tag team championship)
- Austin Aries vs. Baron Corbin

This is lining up to blow away whatever they trot out at WrestleMania, which ironic since NXT is HHH's baby and he will be main eventing WM.

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Technically, posting that line-up spoils two weeks worth of NXT TV, since #1 Contender matches were central to those episodes.

But I gather we look the other way when it comes to NXT.... so I'll gladly add that simply saying "Balor vs. Joe" kind of buries the lead. Because at the tapings tonight, Joe earned that shot by having a 2-of-3 Falls Match against Sami Zayn, and the word on the street is that it clocked in somewhere between 30-40 minutes and will wind up on many MotY shortlists (even the Orlando Wankers reportedly settled down, shut up, and just ENJOYED by the third fall).

I got conflicted reports about how many weeks they taped at that arena show last Friday, so I can't say the exact date it will air, but the Joe/Zayn re-rematch will be the first week after the arena tapings run out. Keep an eye out.



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posted on 1-28-2016 at 05:15 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Full NXT Takeover Dallas card:

- Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Sami Zayn
- Finn Balor vs. Samoa Joe (Men's championship)
- Bayley vs. Asuka (Women's championship)
- Dash & Dawson vs. American Alpha (Tag team championship)
- Austin Aries vs. Baron Corbin



Good luck topping this WrastleMania...





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posted on 1-28-2016 at 05:17 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by vonLampertheim
Full NXT Takeover Dallas card:

- Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Sami Zayn
- Finn Balor vs. Samoa Joe (Men's championship)
- Bayley vs. Asuka (Women's championship)
- Dash & Dawson vs. American Alpha (Tag team championship)
- Austin Aries vs. Baron Corbin

This is lining up to blow away whatever they trot out at WrestleMania, which ironic since NXT is HHH's baby and he will be main eventing WM.


That card is insane.

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