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Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (February 22, 2016)
Dirty Rhodes
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:15 AM
It *should* be obvious to the WWE after tonight's closing beatdown that crowds WANT to cheer Roman having the shit beat out of him, especially
if Trips is doing it. Let Trips brutally beat Roman's ass every week, crowds will love it, then Roman can finally snap and HEEL TURN by beating
the shit out of Trips at Mania and take the belt back. After that Ambrose can chase heel Roman as the mega-face. It prints money, so the WWE
won't do it...
I had the network for a few months but cancelled cause the WWE is boring me. But, if this current lineup for Mania stays as it's shaping up to
be with Shane-Taker, Ambrose-Brock, Charlotte-Becky-Sasha, Owens and the rest I might give them another try. This has the potential to be a pretty
entertaining Wrestlemania if Vince and Co don't fuck it up.
"Payback is hell baby, payback is hell..."
D. Rhodes
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
WTF - a Hillary commercial? This is what I get for watching Raw from the start with no "catch up to live by fast forwarding through commercials"
option. Never again.
Never agayn, you say?
"Kid, you got this thing. The stuff. The shit. The fuckin' grit, you got it, like me. But like me, that's all you fuckin' got. And
like me, you're no good to anyone doing anything else. All I'm saying is don't go trying to be a human being. You'll get your
fuckin' heart ripped out." - Ross "The Boss" Muthafuckin' Rhea, Master of Fucking Guys Up 101.
williamssl
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:27 AM
I hope Ryback rapes you.
Don't Mess With Texas
Frank Lloyd Wright
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:43 AM
When Vince presented that award to Stephanie, my mind went immediately to how would Shane-O Mac feel about this? Never in a million years did I
expect to hear his theme music! I squealed like a 10 year old school girl! Can't remember the last time a crowd went through so many mark out
chants. Shane blew the roof off that fucking place! Have no clue where this confrontation with Taker will go, but that fact that they leave us
thinking about all the scenarios and possibilities is a good thing.
Where was KO?
Don't know what to make of the HHH/Reigns confrontation. Trips went out of his way to play to the crowd and get the cheers. Loved the red ink,
but that big question mark that floated over that arena was very prominent.
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
I hope Ryback rapes you.
I agree. That has to take the top spot for worst thing I've ever posted. Mercifully, I'll refrain from posting the bit the E did in 08
when Hilly and Billy fought Barry in the ring.
"Kid, you got this thing. The stuff. The shit. The fuckin' grit, you got it, like me. But like me, that's all you fuckin' got. And
like me, you're no good to anyone doing anything else. All I'm saying is don't go trying to be a human being. You'll get your
fuckin' heart ripped out." - Ross "The Boss" Muthafuckin' Rhea, Master of Fucking Guys Up 101.
PB-13
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:29 AM
The main thing I've taken out of this thread is wondering why I haven't been following Pete Gas on Twitter until now.
-PB
RIP My Friend Mark, 1991-2016
GodEatGod
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:31 AM
Been a while since I marked as hard as I did for Shane tonight. I just immediately rewound to hear the pop again. Damn.
Honestly, the talk about "how does this make the future better" makes me fucking sad. Wrestlemania is a goal, not a starting point. There are big
spectacle exhibition matches every year. And this is just the introduction of the Shane/Taker thing so we have literally no idea where it's
going beyond HOLY SHIT. So just soak in the holy shit for one fucking night, at least.
Dean Ambrose is my favorite wrestler and tonight showed every reason why. He's also totally bulletproof - feuding with Brock lets him prove
himself a tough badass even if he loses. But I still hope he wins because I fucking love Dean Ambrose and beating Brock would -make- him and
I'd expect him to be champion within the next year.
Roman-Sheamus is so played and, really, the whole League of Nations is becoming just the uppercard Social Outcasts at this point. They're all
talented guys but they're swimming in nothing to do and have no chemistry.
I agree that it's hilarious when Cole is like OMG HHH IS IN A T-SHIRT HE'S REALLY SERIOUS U GUYZ.
But that was still a hell of a beatdown and had plenty of intensity. The fans were happy to cheer Roman over Sheamus, but then preferred HHH. Which
is the issue if you care about who's getting rooted for - fans DO hate HHH, but they hate HHH the corporate stooge. They quite like HHH the
wrestler (outside of those holding smark grudges against him). Much like with Brock, they just like seeing a guy who can dismantle another guy.
It'll obviously be even more lopsided at Mania. Personally, I don't care, I think the match is going to be pretty excellent (although
with Dean/Lesnar on before it, it's going to have a hard time being the most brutal).
"It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don't like something, it is empirically not good. I don't like
Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
CamstunPWG187
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:59 AM
Man, if I was booking Mania....
AJ Styles Vs. HHH in a non-title match. Styles wins.
Ambrose Vs. Reigns to see who faces HHH for the title in the main event. Reigns wins.
Owens vs Taker
Shane Vs. lesnar in this Raw control stipulation HIAC
Sasha/Becky/Charlotte
TLC - New Days Vs. Usos Vs. Dudleys
HHH Vs. Reigns in a No-DQ match
Throw in 2 other throwaway matches/segments, and you got yourself a STEW going, my friend!
vonLampertheim
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 08:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
Fantasy Booking: If HHH is pulling the strings here in the background, this is a great spot for an NXT guy to his surprise Champion, seconded by
Shane. Who best to fight the Deadman than a Demon (Finn Balor)? That would be a career maker right there. Finn gets the rub, Shane somehow takes the
loss. Everyone wins.
[Edited on 23-2-16 by vonLampertheim]
Nobledictator1278
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 09:10 AM
I hope if they do a brand split they do one thing different, Have the IC on one show and United on the other, but only have one champion. One top dog
that goes to both shows. I didn't like having two champions and seeing one of the titles not seem important.
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 09:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
... er, or did you mean no way face Taker goes along with slaughtering Shane? :p
I assumed he meant this. To me, this is a perfect way to buy another week or two to see how Cena is progressing, and whether or not he is capable of a
match at Mania.
week 1: Vince announces match
week 2: Undertaker appears and says no way is he being Vinces pawn. Vince threatens to fire him if he doesn't do it, no HOF, no send off, no
legacy, no nothing.
week 3: By now you know whether Cena can go or not - if he can, Shane brings him out to fight his corner. If not, we stick with Shane vs Taker.
I was also thinking of a way to flip this around a bit, and play on the fact that in Taker vs Cena, in Texas, Cena's the heel:
week 1: Vince announces match
week 2: Undertaker appears and says no way is he being Vinces pawn. He'll fight all right, but he's fighting FOR Shane, not against
him.
week 3: Vince announces Takers opponent will be John Cena.
week 3/4: Cena returns, says hes not happy, but hes a company man, respects Taker, has always wanted to fight him etc, but is damn sure going to give
him the fight of his life.
ETA: how does this improve things? The theory is the same as having the Rock/Mayweather appear.
Involving Shane, a beloved and important performer in a match for control of the company brings in an extra say, 100,000 viewers (that's people
watching, not necessarily paying for the network - people in bars, going to friends houses etc, who haven't watched for a while, becoming
interested in what could happen, and remembering that Shane is crazy, and a Cell Bump isn't out of the question.)
Those extra 100,000 people then see Kevin Owens, AJ Styles and a few others for the first time, and See that Lesnar is also around still being a
beast. Half of them decide to give Raw another go for a few weeks/months.
Get as many people watching mania as possible, then put the best show possible on, and IN THEORY, you should gain some viewers.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by Gobshite]
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 10:59 AM
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 11:25 AM
Soooo... I wonder if Vince'll suspend himself for 90 or 60 days? You really have to feel bad for Brad Maddox right about now. All that poor
bastard did was say "cocky pricks" before a dark match.
This company makes absolutely no sense at all.
You are the vulgarian, you fuck!
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 11:27 AM
Holy moly, I was wondering what that drop in the audio was. Anybody else think tonight's RAW was quite a bit paradigm shift-y? I mean, lookit
my fancy new av I cribbed off'n the Google. HHH, the douchebag Authority heel Champ, metaphorically and symbolically took face Reigns'
forearm cocking maneuver, artfully turned it into a Suck It crotch chop after fucking Roman in his Tiki hut on live television. Haitch
didn't just bury him. He buried it in him. Right up to the bloody base of the shovel. Gaaaaaaa!
Thank you...Haitch?!?!
"Kid, you got this thing. The stuff. The shit. The fuckin' grit, you got it, like me. But like me, that's all you fuckin' got. And
like me, you're no good to anyone doing anything else. All I'm saying is don't go trying to be a human being. You'll get your
fuckin' heart ripped out." - Ross "The Boss" Muthafuckin' Rhea, Master of Fucking Guys Up 101.
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 11:45 AM
Man, I forgot, HHH the wrestler is pretty cool. Reigns is not.
One thing I wanted to point out, you can hear people cheering Reigns during the match. There was a light "Lets go Roman, Roman sucks!" chant going
on. But when it came down to him getting his ass beat? His fans didn't care enough to show any remorse when he started getting wrecked. This is
NOT like Cena. People who hate Reigns hate him a lot more than the people who like him, like him. If that makes sense??
DKBroiler
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
Not sure why everyone thinks Taker is going to run around putting the kibosh on all of his proposed matches (not just you DK, it's been a
running theme what with the Stroman rumours).
While I don't doubt Taker is one of the few guys who Vince takes a lot of input from, and the two likely deal with one another as equals, Taker
has throughout his career been the good soldier; up to and including (well, rumoured anyway) offering to end the streak in years past before Brock put
paid to it.
Taker's also worked with a lot of dud up and comers throughout his career, and probably more than anyone else get's that theatricality and
spectacle are as much part of a memorable wrestling moment as an in ring 5 star match. Don't get me wrong, he no doubt knows his number of
matches are limited and would like to have a streak of good matches to cap his career; but the guy is top five of all time so safe and fun might not
seem like such a bad idea to him either.
So while I can't see him working with Stroman, a HITC match against Shane where several other pieces could change and be added between now and
WM isn't something I'd completely say is off the radar.... especially this close to mania.
... er, or did you mean no way face Taker goes along with slaughtering Shane? :p
I meant no way kayfabe, current good guy Taker goes along with this. Behind the scenes I'm sure he'll do whatever is asked of him. I
think Taker will be the one who demands a serious opponent.
Get off my lawn.
Slade
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 03:26 PM
quote:Posted by OORick
Much to my surprise, at least for one night, there are more than enough fans willing to find it in their heart to cheer for Triple H.
I don't really know if I want WWE to run with that, but I'll eat some crow and cool the jets on my talk of WM Main Event Walk Outs and
such. That was one intense-ass closing segment.
A lot of people have been crying about about this match, so much so that I sometimes feel like I'm the only person in the world who is content
with seeing Triple H vs. Roman Reigns. I know that Roman Reigns is not the champion that a lot of fans want, but he has certainly worked his off to
get to where he is. No matter how many extremely smarky assholes are at Wrestlemania, the very idea that more than a handful of them will walk out on
the event is absurd. Anyone who is unhappy with it will do their best to vocally dump on it. Hopefully, they won't be loud enough to ruin the
evening for the rest of us who just want to see two good performers put on a good wrestling match.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 04:25 PM
Slade, it's been a long time..... but come on, we all know, deep down, you're a Reigns fanboy. You may not want to come out and admit it,
but really, it creeps in with comments like "He's worked his ass off"...and I say phooey.
After WM last year, he had a pretty good match with Big Show at the next PPV and then i don't remember a match he had up until Fastlane the
other night. He had a program with Wyatt, if I remember correctly, but don't even remember when that was. All of his matches have been just
"OK" and he hasn't stood out to me as anyone who has "worked their ass off" the way a guy like Kevin Owens, Cena, or even Rollins.
He is fed horrible material to work with in promos, sounds bad/corny while doing it, and is obviously too pussy to be that guy backstage who says
"look, if you're going to push me like this, let's change this a little, and do this a little different".
Sufferin' sucotash? I spelled that wrong and I don't care, because that is a word that never comes out of anybodies mouth in this modern
day and age unless it's the voice actor for Sylvester the Cat. And I think that guy is dead. Would The Rock repeat that line? He would
outright refuse to say something like that. Outside of WWE, Reigns clearly said in an interview that he shows up to work, does as he's told, and
that's how he wants it to be. Even outside of the business, he's not very endearing.
If he truly is that guy Vince wants as THE FUTURE, he needs to fucking show some balls and realize SOME stroke comes with that, and do some good for
his own on-screen character, because right now he's jsut a puppet who's career and faith with the fans is being put into a blender by the
WWE writing team, and you and him may not care, but in the end it will just be another swing and a miss and he'll forever get polarizing
reactions. It's like...WWE doesn't want another Stone Cold, and I have no fucking clue why.
I like to think that not every wrestling fan in the audience is a smark, and that some are booing and cheering against him because, well, they may
just not like him and don't see him as THE guy.
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Kind of amazing how many things they've done to try and get Roman Reigns over as a face for the past few months and they go out there and let
the opposite guy do the thing that a face would do.
A face would mercilessly beat somebody bloody, and then stand over them and gloat? What?
No. What happened was they thought that segment would make HHH into a big evil monster, and Roman into ultra-sympathetic underdog. Except it
completely backfired on them. Because-- just like with all of Roman's booking the past 15 months-- the company has totally misread, or flat out
ignored, the temperature in the room.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Kind of amazing how many things they've done to try and get Roman Reigns over as a face for the past few months and they go out there and let
the opposite guy do the thing that a face would do.
A face would mercilessly beat somebody bloody, and then stand over them and gloat? What?
No. What happened was they thought that segment would make HHH into a big evil monster, and Roman into ultra-sympathetic underdog. Except it
completely backfired on them. Because-- just like with all of Roman's booking the past 15 months-- the company has totally misread, or flat out
ignored, the temperature in the room.
I do think it offers an opportunity to help Reigns, though. The most over and popular Reigns has been since the backlash against him started was at
TLC when he went psycho and beat the everloving snot out of HHH and anything that moved. If the beating HHH gave him unleashes Reigns' rage and
turns him into the warrior he should be booked as instead of the smiling Cena guy who shrugs things off, then he can only improve.
One of his main problems has always been the existence of Daniel Bryan as a viable alternative (which is now off the table). But another is that, for
the last year, they've mostly wanted to book him like Daniel Bryan, too. That is, they've treated him as an oppressed underdog. But that
worked with Daniel because of his size and style and personality.
Reigns has been most effective and over as a bad motherfucker, whether it was being the muscle of the Shield or getting his biggest pops for enraged,
screaming beatdowns as a single. Much as people complain about him winning too much, he's been getting the wrong kind of wins. He's been
squeaking them out or getting in one lucky shot. That's fine for PPV main events where parity makes for good entertainment. But, if they truly
want to get him over as a babyface, they need to book him more like Brock Lesnar or face HHH and let him destroy some people.
Of course, probably the best way to get that is turn him into a merciless monster heel FIRST, which they've resisted tooth and nail. I agree
that the night after Wrestlemania, with the title on his shoulder and the smarkiest RAW crowd of the year booing him out of the building, would be the
ideal time. Probably from Dean Ambrose asking his buddy for a title shot and getting the shit kicked out of him (cause after all this, he's not
risking the title fighting someone as dangerous as Dean who's almost beaten him too many times already).
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Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by GodEatGod
One of his main problems has always been the existence of Daniel Bryan as a viable alternative (which is now off the table). But another is that, for
the last year, they've mostly wanted to book him like Daniel Bryan, too. That is, they've treated him as an oppressed underdog. But that
worked with Daniel because of his size and style and personality.
His new problem now is the existence of Ambrose. When Roman had that first backstage interview last night, you could audibly hear the crowd chanting,
"we want Ambrose!" Now, a lot of that may be tempered down in the new few weeks, as people are salivating over the thought of Ambrose vs. Lesnar.
But after Wrestlemania? People are gonna badly want Ambrose to be the champ.
Swap Reigns with Ambrose in that ending segment last night, and it works in the way they'd want it to. No way would HHH get cheered in that
scenario. Just another baffling reason why they didn't do it that way instead.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
PB-13
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:01 PM
I fondly bid adieu to My Friend Mark. He passed away a little over two weeks ago. It was an accident...I have no idea how he fell down that flight
of stairs and into an elevator shaft, onto some bullets, and I was right behind him.
-PB
RIP My Friend Mark, 1991-2016
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by PB-13]
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
What happened was they thought that segment would make HHH into a big evil monster, and Roman into ultra-sympathetic underdog. Except it completely
backfired on them. Because-- just like with all of Roman's booking the past 15 months-- the company has totally misread, or flat out ignored,
the temperature in the room.
^^^
This. All of this.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 07:57 PM
An interesting fan video of Byron Saxton helping Roman get colour on Raw, likely with a blood capsule as to not violate the intentional bleeding/PG
guidance (and send Cena's target demographic screaming to their paediatric therapists).
I distinctly seem to recall that on a recent podcast, Jim Ross lamented the fact that occasional colour would definitely help pop more dramatic
moments and he even mentioned the blood capsule as an alternative to blading. I wonder if the fact that the announcer slipped it to him was a subtle
hat tip to ol' JR that the E is indeed listening.
Also for discussion, if it was meant as a "shock" way to garner sympathy for Reigns, the end of Raw shows it may have had the converse effect by
helping get HHH over as a babyface by "seriously" beating up the unwanted prodigal son. Oy vey.
[Edited on 23-2-16 by vonLampertheim]
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 08:29 PM
Ha, I was texting with my brother after RAW last night because I was suspicious that the blood in that segment was fake, but I was also pretty
doubtful that the WWE would attempt to use fake blood in this day and age. But I guess my initial suspicions were correct!
Anybody else think tonight's RAW was quite a bit paradigm shift-y? I mean, lookit
my fancy new av I cribbed off'n the Google. HHH, the douchebag Authority heel Champ, metaphorically and symbolically took face Reigns'
forearm cocking 
maneuver, artfully turned it into a Suck It crotch chop after fucking Roman in his Tiki hut on live television. Haitch
didn't just bury him. He buried it in him. Right up to the bloody base of the shovel. Gaaaaaaa
! 
