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Author: Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (February 22, 2016)
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:34 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Before my mind gets back in my body...


HOLY SHIT WAS THAT AMAZING!



[and now, let the possible re-brand splittening conversation begin?]


AND THE UNDERTAKER MIGHT LOSE TO BROCK LESNAR AND SHANE MCMAHON AT WRESTLEMANIA??? WHAAAAAAAT???

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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:39 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
That randomass cereal joke is the first time RAW has gotten a laugh out of me since Prime Mizdow.


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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:43 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:44 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
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Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?


Feel like they kind of didn't exactly 100% lock it in that they can't have someone be in there instead of Shane....maybe as a means to make sure Cena can go or not as we get closer to WM?

Either way....crazy crazy match.

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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:54 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?


That's what I was pondering. Shane looks pretty limber and spry, but if they want to protect the now a bit too old to go coast to coast Shane and still maintain the insanity of Hell In A Cell and make it the match to watch at WM, it wouldn't be too far fetched to have Vince have some goons (prolly League of Nations) beat on Shane until he's forced to call on Cena for reinforcement over the next few weeks.

Unless now that Taker has a dance partner that frees Braun Strowman up to face Cena at WM.





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posted on 2-23-2016 at 02:57 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.





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posted on 2-23-2016 at 03:00 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?


I hope he has somebody do that match in his place. Literally anyone on the active roster.

And I say that as someone who really liked Shane's matches back in the day. The crazy falls, the Van Terminator, all of it.

But he was only good against someone who can carry him.

Taker isn't much better at this point.

Both need to be in the ring with someone who's actively wrestling week in and week out. Not just from a match quality standpoint, but to elevate an active person.

If Shane was back as some kind of GM or competing face authority, that would be amazing.

But a one-and-done with a guy who hasn't wrestled in 8 years vs someone who works one or two days a year? No thanks.

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Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?


I hope he has somebody do that match in his place. Literally anyone on the active roster.

And I say that as someone who really liked Shane's matches back in the day. The crazy falls, the Van Terminator, all of it.

But he was only good against someone who can carry him.

Taker isn't much better at this point.

Both need to be in the ring with someone who's actively wrestling week in and week out. Not just from a match quality standpoint, but to elevate an active person.

If Shane was back as some kind of GM or competing face authority, that would be amazing.

But a one-and-done with a guy who hasn't wrestled in 8 years vs someone who works one or two days a year? No thanks.


I dunno. Sometimes workrate isn't the only thing that matters.

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posted on 2-23-2016 at 03:09 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Paddy gets his moment....


....or....sort of.



I venture to think that like just Cena before him, you don't make that stip unless you're looking for a way for someone to beat Brock Lesnar...

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Awe yeah, the Iron Man of the WWE!! Ambrose crawling to the ring, awesome.
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I dunno. Sometimes workrate isn't the only thing that matters.


Even in a fantasy world where a 46 year old cable company executive and a 50 year old legend who works one day a year could have a passable match, what good does giving that chunk of Mania to them do going forward?

Hell, even if it's the match of the night, how does that benefit anyone the next day? Much less for the next 50 Monday nights?

Either of them against an active roster guy...or better yet, both of them in separate matches against active guys, would elevate the active roster worker whether they win or lose. Then you have something to build on from week to week on TV.

Like I said, a one and done with two retirees is pointless.

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posted on 2-23-2016 at 03:33 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I have zero idea what to think of Taker/Shane, just because it's so out of left field. Not to mention it's odd to have Taker basically cast in the heel role, with Shane needing to beat him in order to take control from Triple H and Stephanie. Then again, there's over a month for this to all shake out, so the WWE could very well throw in a twist or two before we get to WrestleMania. Regardless, that was a great segment and the crowd reaction Shane got was unbelievable.

On the subject of Lesnar/Ambrose: I find it interesting that the WWE abandoned their plans for Lesnar/Bray, but they definitely made the right call. Lesnar and Ambrose just have a natural chemistry together and their match has show-stealing potential at WrestleMania. Whereas if we'd gotten Lesnar/Bray, it probably would have just been five weeks of Bray Wyatt cutting rambling promos about Brock Lesnar and not nearly as fun as what we're gonna get with Lesnar and Ambrose.

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On phone, watching show, made a spelling mistake in attempt to mock this:

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=31017&page;=4

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Inevitability is boring.


Because people said RAW would open with the Legacy Award going to Triple H, with Roman doing a run-in. Partly right...but we got something slightly better.


Ha. Funny. Meanwhile, that comment was directed at Reigns vs. HHH at Mania, and had nothing to do with anything else.

But whatever puts a smile on that Canadian visage that is all too often twisted with rage.





When it Reigns, it bores.

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Hell, even if it's the match of the night, how does that benefit anyone the next day? Much less or the next 50 Monday nights?



Well for one, control of the show the next day is on the line.

But either way, its Wrestlemania. One match could be insulated just for its holy shit matter, beyond having to do with the next day.

ETA:

So...we're heading to the Jericho turn tonight, right? And if so...and best of 7 happens...what the hell happens with Owens? Balor/Zayn/Joe/Nakamura time maybe?

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Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.


Not sure why everyone thinks Taker is going to run around putting the kibosh on all of his proposed matches (not just you DK, it's been a running theme what with the Stroman rumours).

While I don't doubt Taker is one of the few guys who Vince takes a lot of input from, and the two likely deal with one another as equals, Taker has throughout his career been the good soldier; up to and including (well, rumoured anyway) offering to end the streak in years past before Brock put paid to it.

Taker's also worked with a lot of dud up and comers throughout his career, and probably more than anyone else get's that theatricality and spectacle are as much part of a memorable wrestling moment as an in ring 5 star match. Don't get me wrong, he no doubt knows his number of matches are limited and would like to have a streak of good matches to cap his career; but the guy is top five of all time so safe and fun might not seem like such a bad idea to him either.

So while I can't see him working with Stroman, a HITC match against Shane where several other pieces could change and be added between now and WM isn't something I'd completely say is off the radar.... especially this close to mania.

... er, or did you mean no way face Taker goes along with slaughtering Shane? :p

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Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?


Or maybe Pete Gas and Joey Abs come out of retirement to neutralize the Dead Man.

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Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
I was wondering... Maybe Vince pulls the "If you lose, you're FIIIIIIREDDDD!" card, and then we get the Undertaker's Last Match, but it's for a Good Cause (even though we all know the same Riter Dnonkeys will still be in charge of riting the shows) and SHANE SAVES THE DAY. It's got multiple levels of drama and bittersweet nuances and stuff and things?

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Or maybe Pete Gas and Joey Abs come out of retirement to neutralize the Dead Man.




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Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
I was wondering... Maybe Vince pulls the "If you lose, you're FIIIIIIREDDDD!" card, and then we get the Undertaker's Last Match, but it's for a Good Cause (even though we all know the same Riter Dnonkeys will still be in charge of riting the shows) and SHANE SAVES THE DAY. It's got multiple levels of drama and bittersweet nuances and stuff and things?



This is what I thought too, I figured UT will be like why should I do this, and Vince like because if you don't you will never work for the WWE again. It writes itself, and puts doubt into the match. I still think they should have found a way to more the title to Ambrose or Brock so that is the main event.

What they could have done.... again Im fantasy changing probably not cool, but they should have had Vince tell Shane he has one night to prove he should run Raw. Since they brough up ratings Vince should have told Shane if he can have a higher Raw rating, then they would talk about him running things. Shane should have booked HHH vs Dean Ambrose for the title. Then next week have Vince declare that Shane gets it if he beats UT. Then you go with same card but you can re position your matches

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These are the better ideas?
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Sometimes you have to put your brain in a suitcase & enjoy. Shane pops a few subscriptions, loses valiantly and goes back away.

Isn't this 6 man the same as last night but Bray > Stroman so therefor...

Someone tell me why JBL continues oldie references. He's younger than I am and grew up somewhere away from detroit, the only place the Sheik wrestled when I was a pup...oh yeah, Brody was an average big guy but got better after he died because murder.

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Ryback just remembered he left his lunch in the microwave.

#FeedingTime?

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Ryback just remembered he left his lunch in the microwave.

#FeedingTime?


He took CM Punk's corner knees, now he took his walking out on the company.

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Oh wrestling logic, you make my head hurt at times. "I deserve to be in the spotlight on my own, so I walked out on a tag match because.................. heel turn."

Also, heheheh at the Gillberg chants. Unless they were still Goldberg chants at that point.

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