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posted on 3-13-2016 at 02:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by janerd75
Deal with it.
Gotta say, as much as this is life for death to people, I'm quite enjoying the fruit of the anger. May Ambrose forever be slightly under the
position people desire*.
[*forever as in like maybe 28 more days or so at most]
Just getting back to The New Day face turn (and that's what it is at this point, I don't think you can put the genie back in the bottle),
while some are weary of it, I think it's what has to happen at this point.
New Day hasn't even come close to getting old to me yet, but you can see that they probably won't be a team by next Wrestlemania, so
it's time to maximize their worth now as a tag team and start setting up for that ending in 6 months or so.
The team has done its job. Kofi has gotten his personality down, which was always the last thing he needed and could be a viable upper carder if they
want to roll with him.
Even more, this was the thing Big E needed to really make him stand out of the crowd of muscle guys. Not sure he would have been able to talk anywhere
this much, let alone show his personality if he were just another singles face. He's got the look and his in-ring skills have gotten a lot
better in fluidity. I think as there's been more obvious acts WWE has gotten behind, once Big E turns on The New Day, they should strap a rocket
to his back to the upper card as well, because fans would definitely buy it with him. Ultimately the face turn will enable him to make the big "Seth
Rollins-type" break from the team and give him momentum.
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 03:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
You're a great man.
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 04:36 PM
Inevitability is boring.
And, yes, hoping against inevitability is, well, just being obtuse.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 05:32 PM
Credit to both HHH and Ambrose for getting the reactions they wanted. Match started with the crowd almost split but HHH got his heat and the entire
crowd was supporting Ambrose.
With people saying the crowds are being rebellious for the sake of being rebellious, it's good to see that it's the performers job to get
the intended reactions and not expect the fans to settle for anything.
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 05:58 PM
I said it before, but I don't understand why they even bothered with this whole thing. All it did was tease the crowd into thinking they may
get a better Mania main event, and show how much more ready (and accepted) Ambrose is for this spot than Reigns is.
Now the thing to look forward to most in the main event is how the crowd reacts. And no, I don't think the match will be very good. I can only
take so many Superman punches.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 07:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I said it before, but I don't understand why they even bothered with this whole thing. All it did was tease the crowd into thinking they may
get a better Mania main event, and show how much more ready (and accepted) Ambrose is for this spot than Reigns is.
Now the thing to look forward to most in the main event is how the crowd reacts. And no, I don't think the match will be very good. I can only
take so many Superman punches.
You're looking at this wrong punker, skidsberto has been telling us for a while now that it doesn't matter how much the paying customers
in Dallas shit on the main event. The important thing is that Vince gets to finish telling us the remarkable story of LOLreignswins!1! Because fuck
us, thats why.
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
If at the end of the day Roman Reigns wins the belt at Mania and gets booed...does it actually matter?
There just isn't enough of a negative, whether it's one night of boos or even silence that seem to bring forth a need to not finish their
story (which has been going for far longer than Orton-Batista or even Reigns-Brock was) and not get that replayable championship moment for Roman
Reigns, who whether he turns heel later on or not, is definitely going to be a top star for them in the future.
One bad reaction (to what will probably still be a really good match) isn't going to throw them off enough for it to matter. And I know
that's not the answer many people want (and lord knows, I'm not arguing the merits of Reigns-HHH ever again), but that's a perfectly
logical way they're probably looking at this.
[Edited on 3-12-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
I mean it does make sense, its only been one bad reaction afterall
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 08:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
You're looking at this wrong punker, skidsberto has been telling us for a while now that it doesn't matter how much the paying customers
in Dallas shit on the main event. The important thing is that Vince gets to finish telling us the remarkable story of LOLreignswins!1! Because fuck
us, thats why.
Shit, you're right... I forgot about how incredible the story has been with Roman. I mean, who needs something like, "underdog, anti-authority
rebel Dean Ambrose fights against all odds to main even Mania and win his first World Championship," when we instead get, "wet haired guy wins third
championship in the span of five months."
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 09:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
You're looking at this wrong punker, skidsberto has been telling us for a while now that it doesn't matter how much the paying customers
in Dallas shit on the main event. The important thing is that Vince gets to finish telling us the remarkable story of LOLreignswins!1! Because fuck
us, thats why.
Shit, you're right... I forgot about how incredible the story has been with Roman. I mean, who needs something like, "underdog, anti-authority
rebel Dean Ambrose fights against all odds to main even Mania and win his first World Championship," when we instead get, "wet haired guy wins third
championship in the span of five months."
Poor berto hasn't even posted in this thread, but haters gotta hate.
On another thought, could RR have had the Ambrose position? Did he get it and folks just missed that he was supposed to be the underdog? clearly he
was anti-authority. Somehow VKM & team missed badly, I'm curious how/where.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." D.
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 11:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by merc
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
You're looking at this wrong punker, skidsberto has been telling us for a while now that it doesn't matter how much the paying customers
in Dallas shit on the main event. The important thing is that Vince gets to finish telling us the remarkable story of LOLreignswins!1! Because fuck
us, thats why.
Shit, you're right... I forgot about how incredible the story has been with Roman. I mean, who needs something like, "underdog, anti-authority
rebel Dean Ambrose fights against all odds to main even Mania and win his first World Championship," when we instead get, "wet haired guy wins third
championship in the span of five months."
Poor berto hasn't even posted in this thread, but haters gotta hate.
On another thought, could RR have had the Ambrose position? Did he get it and folks just missed that he was supposed to be the underdog? clearly he
was anti-authority. Somehow VKM & team missed badly, I'm curious how/where.
The biggest problem with Reigns and his inability to connect with the crowd as a whole is that he's been miscast in his role. I mean think about
it, it's been pretty much a foregone conclusion since The Shield burst onto the scene that Roman was Vince's "next big thing". Back when
The Shield was around, Roman was over as hell because he had Seth and Dean around to help camouflage his shortcomings as a performer. He was initially
just the stoic bruiser everyone wanted to take the hot tag.
Once Seth turned, Roman was inexplicably hellbent on taking out The Authority instead of pursuing a blood-feud against the man, his supposed
"brother", who cheap-shotted him a steel chair. Dean went after Seth, the logical choice, and ended up having probably the feud of the year (at the
very least it overshadowed any program Roman was involved in.)
The fears that Roman was going to get the Cena-push were almost immediately validated. And with so much of their core-audience having at least a
passing familiarity with what this whole "internet" thing is, the resentment started to grow. Fans were already pissed that Daniel Bryan
wasn't getting a fair shake at things, and now this guy is gonna just stroll right into the main event scene like so many arena walkways
without paying some dues?
Admittedly this backlash is primarily amongst adult fans. Kids love the shit out of Roman (well, except this
one) I know that whenever my friends and I have get togethers for the big PPVs the kids are typically behind him. I've asked why and the
general consensus is "he looks cool", but what's more telling is that while they love Roman all of them have a wrestler that they like better.
Bryan, Ambrose, Nikki Bella, Undertaker. So yeah, "he looks cool" but his connection (at least among this controlled group) is fleeting and
I'm willing to bet that that has a lot to do with how shallow he is as a character and how green he is as a performer.
He doesn't connect with you because what few character traits he does possess, they don't ring true. Him being booked as a supposed
underdog when the general viewing public knows that the opposite is true makes for some shitty TV. Steve Austin was believable in his role because of
the path that led him there. By all accounts a journeyman wrestler who never got a real fair shake and just didn't fit the mold for "top guy".
Once he got his opportunity he took the ball and ran with it. He did so with the passion of a man who truly did have to fight and scratch and claw his
way to the top because that was the ACTUAL path his career had taken.
People connect with guys like Bryan and Ambrose for that exact same reasons.
With Roman, there's really never been any doubt. He's barely a 6 year "veteran" who has been protected, and groomed at every turn to be
the next big thing. You're not invested in his matches because he never really loses. You're not compelled by threats made against him,
because most of the time he just grins like a smug jackass whenever confronted with adversity. There's no drama whenever Roman's involved.
He's a product of focus-group booking, and the result is just a hollow character that fails to resonate with fans on a meaningful level.
I can only enjoy Roman's segments and matches with a heavy helping of schadenfreude. That's not to say that I wish ill of the man, or even
the company. But I can't help but grin like a smug jackass when a company that plays up their social media presence and "putting smiles on
faces" as much as WWE does gets shat upon by paying customers unhappy with the product they're provided with. Now, I'm not saying that
the main event of Wrestlemania has to be changed but damn do I hope they have an ace up their sleeve. They've managed to salvage the last 2
Wrestlemania main events at the last moment, which in and of itself is telling. I personally hope that we can make it to Wrestlemania 33 without
another Royal Rumble debacle and without the main event match being the focus of fan outrage.
I'm sure they can do it, but when you're dealing with someone as eccentrically narrow-minded as Vince can be, I just don't know. The
more they stay the course, the more they are hurting Roman in the long run. You can make money with the guy, but an audible needs to be called to
rectify the situation before fans forever associate him with...whatever the hell he's supposed to be right now.
[Edited on 3/13/2016 by CM Crunk]
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posted on 3-13-2016 at 11:57 PM
I'm pretty sure the best thing they could do for poor Roman at this point is to have him lose at mania, and than have him turn on The Rock.
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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posted on 3-14-2016 at 02:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
With Roman, there's really never been any doubt. He's barely a 6 year "veteran" who has been protected, and groomed at every turn to be
the next big thing. You're not invested in his matches because he never really loses. You're not compelled by threats made against him,
because most of the time he just grins like a smug jackass whenever confronted with adversity. There's no drama whenever Roman's involved.
He's a product of focus-group booking, and the result is just a hollow character that fails to resonate with fans on a meaningful level.
Excellent analysis and I think ^this^ is the most critical paragraph. This shit works the best when there is high end drama and gravitas attached to
any particular guy. Of the Shield guys, there are reams of YouTube videos showcasing the evolutions of Tyler Black and Jon Moxley. They crawled
through VFW's and high school gyms covered in shit only to come out clean on the other side. Their immediate peers are Daniel Bryan and the long
gone CM Punk, who was robustly chanted for at Roadblock, btw. Roman's immediate analogues are Rock and Cena. In the former's case, both
were raised on The Football and come from wrasslin' families, and in the latter's, they both were pretty boy muscle dudes that came up
with nowhere near the experience of the other two Shield members. However, in the case of both Cena and Rock, they both have heaping does of "It"
that they developed over the years.
My concern for Roman, that even though he's kinda on a similar trajectory as early Rock and Cena, is that the eras they came up in are entirely
different. Rock finally got over as a heel in the insane Attitude Era days of gang themed factions, and Cena not much long after with his wigger chic,
but had guys like Kurt holding his hand. Roman's getting the same kind of push where the, fuck me sorry, reigns are far tighter, puckered, and
scripted than at any time before. Cena and Rock were allowed to find their voice in the most raucous and uncontrolled of environments. I do not think,
from what we've seen so far from him, he will be able to "break out" like Vince clearly intends under current conditions.
Rock and Cena are once in a lifetime guys. (Okay, twice ), but they yanked Vince's balls off and ran with them on their own accord. And sure,
I can understand the Company's temptation for wanting a clean-cut, muscular, relatively trouble free guy as the face that runs the place. After
having the drug-fueled hand grenade that was Shawn, the surly recalcitrant asshole that was Austin, and the terminal malcontent that was Punk all
screaming to be the top guy, I can absolutely see why they'd want someone relatively trouble free and Cena-esque in the position. Two problems
with that, though. First, Cena ground it out to become that top guy and absolutely learned how to handle the worst crowds could throw at him. Second,
which was my whole point I've been trying to get to and an addendum to Crunker's central thesis, is where's the drama in all this?
When it becomes so obvious and telegraphed who's going to be leading the charge, how is it inappropriate for any of us as fans, at least the
more reasonable amongst us, to voice our very real concerns to the E that they are entering a world of pain if they continue on this path?
Cena eventually righted his ship after many, many years of hard work. Orton never really did and was only good in fits and starts. How is Roman
supposed to get over as The Guy when they're clearly hiding him from crowds that are on to his schtick? Is that because Vince has really lost it
and thinks somehow we don't notice when Roman powders out of big three-way matches, even the Royal Goddamned Rumble!?!, for long stretches of
time, or even now with him conveniently missing all these "smark" cities along the way to WM? Have any of you ever seen anything like this being
done before with a guy that not only eventually got over, but became an absolute sensation? I just don't get the swapping of roles, now that HHH
is face-ish and Roman's...getting smatterings of X-Pac heat. I just don't get why the heel turn hasn't happened yet while, again
different upbringings in the industry, it worked so well for his Shield brother Seth and Cousin The Rock before that. And I especially don't get
it when a super over heel Roman could easily feud with a super over face/anti-hero Dean Ambrose. That is the kind of history and backstory that
legendary feuds are built on, not Roman vs. The Authority, because there are a half-dozen guys that came before him that have already done that
waaaaaay better than the drama-free version of the story they're trying to tell now.
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
I'm pretty sure the best thing they could do for poor Roman at this point is to have him lose at mania, and than have him turn on The Rock.
Even though I just was ranting about the Rock, I totally forgot about him being a viable candidate for Roman's turn. He would be the perfect
person, of course. Just have him at ringside and in his corner and when HHH gets the 1-2-3 and bails, Rock can go in to pick up the pieces and give
him the "you tried and failed but you gotta get back up on that horse" speech. Superman punch, spear, "I don't need your help and I'm
tired of living in your shadow, cuz" speech from Reigns. Heel. Fucking. Turn. Cena will 99.9% never go heel, but there's absolutely no reason
Roman can't at this stage of his career. In fact I think he needs it in order to save it from any long term damage being done.
Also of note that there is "a problem" as this is the Roadblock thread and the main focus of discussion is about a guy that wasn't even
involved with it. Yes, I realize I'm contributing and I hope it's coming off as constructive. But something is rotten in Stamford and it
ain't me, or millions aaaaaaaand millions of other like me for noticing.
I like Roman. I want him to be a monster heel. New outfit. New music. I do not want to hear a cascade of booing retards in Dallas shitting on what no
doubt could be, context aside and in a vacuum, a hell of a match. Your mileage, however, may vary.
Fuck Everybody
The science is settled: I'm fucking retarded.
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posted on 3-14-2016 at 02:30 AM
You know how some of us dislike that sometimes they go overboard with how strong the Pedigree is?The Pedigree HHH gave Bryan that left him out cold
enough for Orton to slowly cash in and then there's the Pedigree that he gave Ziggler in their SS match that left him out cold for all of
Sting's debut,staredown with HHH, and exit?
It's nice that this time it goes both ways and he is selling Ambrose's finisher like the ultimate move. I still think it's not that
great of a finisher but good for HHH selling like if it was a Stunner from Stone Cold.
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posted on 3-14-2016 at 03:16 AM
I don't think the issue with Roman is that he never loses. I think lots of the guys who get crowd support were protected too. I'd be
interested in seeing Ambrose's W-L record. It can't be far behind Reigns.
The issue with Reigns is dead-on his not connecting with audiences in his promo delivery and the content of said promos.
He can't use the anti-Authority vibe that Bryan and Stone Cold etc had. He has to do the 'earning a place among his peers'
approach.
And on top of that, he's actually very good in the silent badass role because when he puts effort in his body language, he is charismatic. He
gets these little sneers and jaw clenches etc that work. When he lost to Brock, his smiling defiantly was the one thing people really remember.
But he can't chew gum and walk at the same time it seems. When he starts thinking about the SCRIPT he does the body language in a stilted way
too.
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Just getting the chance to watch this now;
*My WWE Network feed has really sucked the last few times I've tried to watch it- I'm in Canada, but use my Xbox one to watch the US
version and up until recently it's been fine, but lately he either takes too long to load so it times out, or keeps shifting between hi-def and
really blurry... Netflix and all the rest of the streaming toys work fine, so I don't think it's my connection.
*Nice start with the New Day, but I'm 0-1 thus far as they dispatch the L.O.N. I know it was only Sheamus and Barrett tonight and the full
L.O.N. could still be on deck for a WM challenge, but you kind have to think this has burst the L.O.N. bubble for good. They might have made for nice
muscle for the Authority, but after Wrestlemania I'm getting the vibe that the WWE is gearing up to change things up a bit.
*Great heel promo from Jericho.... had this played elsewhere in Canada the bit about Toronto being Canada's anus probably would have gotten him
some cheers though. Toronto is nice, exciting enough, but it also has a giant core of uber Liberal douche bags that has caused the rest of the country
to collectively hate Hogtown. Decent enough match with Swagger, but knowing Styles was pulling duty south of the border tonight and that there'd
be no story furthering run-ins, and that there was no way Swagger was getting the win here kind of left this one a bit DOA.
*I'm several months behind on NXT... maybe NXT Brooklyn? None the less, it's nice to check in with Enzo and Big Cass'... the two
just have such an energy to them that it's hard to not get caught up in them.... in saying that, and maybe it was just tonight, they
haven't really changed up the script much so I'd be worried that they could stagnate a bit.... it's nice to be over and play it
safe, but safe can be death too...
Still; Enzo is great... trash talking mid-match, and he's a pin-ball out there, so I can see big things for him. Big Cass' has improved
since I last saw him; and he's got the size and look that could take him far. Bonus, he genuinely seems comfortable out there on the
mic'....
I don't want to turn this into another Roman bashing thread (I've avoided spoilers and am writing this as I'm watching, but a
Saturday PPV is already on page 5... so either something good has happened, or something mind bumbling dumb happened.... or maybe Janerd posted too
many gifs and everyone got pissy, lol) but I think there will come a time when we compare Cass and Reigns build up.
*Wow- they are running this one like a house show with all the Toronto jabs to garner extra heat.... lot's of local sore spot shout outs
including the no cup for the Leafs comment from Charlotte.... yeah, well no inheritance for you Charlotte, cause your daddy partied and
alimony'd it all away! Great match, but the outcome was never in doubt.... not sure I liked the finish; just felt quick and lazy
Honestly, I know Flair is a legend, but I think the WWE needs to get him out of Charlotte's corner. The guy was very arguably not just a legend,
but THE legend at one point... but between all of his well known out of ring problems his legacy has suffered a bit; so in some of Charlotte's
matches watching him prancing around during her matches becomes distracting.... sometimes failure kind of trumps success. Plus, Flair is starting to
look more and more like the Cryptkeeper that it's hard not to see some of that in his daughter who's paternity is definitely not in
doubt.
*Poor Bray; sure he still get's his once upon a time cool, cryptic, but now just gibberish sounding because you know it doesn't amount to
anything promo's (although he was a bit more concise tonight).... but putting him right in a handicap match instead of pretending he's a
one on one threat to Brock... especially after doing some highlights of Brock taking apart the whole family has to be a bad sign..... Hell, even poor
Harper deserves a lot better.
I'm not saying pull the plug on the Wyatt Family; but there's talent there, and it's just not being used very well.
Didn't much appreciate the bait and switch on Bray taking a powder, and Brock essentially being wasted (which yeah, it makes him look like a
beast, but it's almost straight up squash/jobber days coming back).... nice gig if you can get it, throw a few suplexes around and hit the
showers.
*Zayn versus Stardust.... I'm actually pretty excited about this. I know it won't amount to much, but should be fun. I haven't seen
Zayn since he came back from injury outside of the Rumble appearance... seeing him is a bit of a reminder of how there are two worlds in the WWE....
there's the world the WWE wants where Reigns vs HHH or Brock is the biggest match EVAH!.... but there's also that nice little collection
of super talent guys that you just want to mix and match the pieces... ie Zayn might not fit into the WWE world where Reigns is champion (he still
could, but it's hard to get your hopes up), but Rollins.... Owens.... they'd tear the house down.
Someone needs to put Stardust in a comic, or in one of those Arrow/Flash/Supergirl shows.... even if it's just as a pre-opening credits villain
take down... Cody just dives right into the super villain role with such glee. Check him out in this weeks E&C; show where he comes face to face with
some kids alongside the dynamic duo of awesomeness.
*Well, time for that big will they or won't they moment as Ambrose and HHH head to the ring with about 30 minutes left.... while a solid show
thus far with lots of good ring action, the WWE hasn't exactly used tonight to kick any feud's into high gear, or reset anything... so for
their 2nd?... 3rd?... ever network exclusive PPV (main roster), and 3 weeks to WM you'd imagine they'd want to catch at least some
headlines coming out of tonight.
Full introductions for both guys; so they are definitely trying to give this one the big match feel... and of course the network feed starts acting up
even worse; really makes me fearful as to what a potential nightmare Wrestlemania might wind up being trying to watch... let's hope we can get
through the last few minutes of this though.... 5 minutes down and we're just through intro's... lot's of time to give us some good
stuff.
Nice start... real story telling... both guys get to lock up and throw some locks out there, but no one is really suffering yet, and it's a case
of I'm just toying with you, well two can play that game of one upping one another as it get's increasingly more brutal really works....
Anyone who chants CM Punk at this point is just a douche and deserves to be kicked in the dick hole with cleats.... You can hear one douche trying to
start an Undertaker chant as well.... honestly, HHH versus Ambrose and you pull that shit? This is why we can't have nice things and deserve
raping us with Roman Reigns Samoan cock once a month until we just submit and give up.
In the ring... well outside of it.... HHH continues to play the wily veteran against the I ain't the rookie you think I am Ambrose... not sure
if it's the slower pace, and them wanting to maybe keep things a bit safer three weeks out from mania (and with the litany of injuries to the
roster can you blame them?) but they just aren't quite getting to that big match feel just yet... Still, HHH is throwing some new holds out
there, so that's appreciated. Loved Ambrose grabbing Hunter's nose earlier though... ditto for that crazy slap-tastic rally by Dean as
well.
I'm digging this match... it's not as high energy as other PPV main events feel... maybe that's the smaller network feel versus the
big PPV's, my own "meh nothing good is going to happen" cynicism, or the design of the match, but it's working... some genuine story
telling, and the ramping up towards the finish is good... I swear I thought Dean was going to get that one pin fall... Okay that sharpshooter was just
awesome... wonder if it was called on the fly or pre-planned; either way nice touch. Dean holds the hold for the five count once HHH get's to
the ropes... great psychology and HHH is selling really well for Ambrose.... DIRTY DEEDS!!!
WTF....? 3 count?!!?!?!.... ah well, at least they didn't keep us in suspense long on that one.... great spot by HHH just full out using the
ropes. Was worried that would be the finish for a second... kudos to the WWE for not ending the match with the full on dusty finish and keeping things
going.... Crowd is really into this now.
Did the WWE change their tables? Made them a bit more Orton friendly? Just seems like there's a bigger surface there now to put guys through.
Wait... why the hell am I talking about tables... we got a heck of a match going on... nice table spot.... boo... right into the pedigree for the
loss. I don't like it, but it was a great match.
OVERALL
Fun little PPV... but less a ROADBLOCK and more a speed bump... I wasn't exactly advocating the WWE using tonight to completely reset
Wrestlemania, but they had a few missions tonight; Make Wrestlemania a bit more must see, and maybe mix things up a bit and fix any near last minute
feud's going into mania... and really make people feel like they should go out and get the network just to see these mini-PPV's.
Yeah they got time to put some finishing touches on Wrestlemania, but tonight didn't really do anything to help that... Bray and Brock looks
like it could still be a thing, but honestly.... the night before the Royal Rumble it had potential, now it's not terribly appealing to me...
tonight was a cheat and waste of a Brock appearance. The main event was terrific, but in amongst the whole PPV it was more of the "hey, just YouTube
this one match"... which really... and this was my fear about doing HHH versus Ambrose now, leaves you feeling like THIS is the feud you want to see,
and we got more than the usual WWE cock-tease on it.... now we're just disappointingly left with something that we never really wanted....
It's like we're Gordie's parents in Stand By Me.... We just watched favoured son John Cusack die, and now we're left with
Richard Dreyfus's telling us stories while he watches kids through his window.
So solid, fun, good PPV... but outside of the last match pretty forgettable.... Well, unless the WWE has now decided to throw out version 17 of the
Wrestlemania plan and is now going to use tonight to set up Brock versus the Wyatt's again, and Ambrose get's tossed into the HHH-Reigns
match.... but really, tonight at least on the Brock front wasn't a good stepping stone to that, and it begs the questions of are those alternate
matches really that much better, and is this something we want?
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posted on 3-14-2016 at 10:54 PM
Crunk & Janerd,
Thanks for the analysis, I am far to beer centric to think that deeply.
I think the Daniel Bryan thing is accurate, but unfair. As we now know, DB wasn't a viable option.
I kind of had the thought that he hasn't been consistent in personality. I like his wise ass smirks and his "inside joke" looks to
camera/crowd. He just doesn't do that stuff enough for it to be a part of him, instead comments tend to be negative if at all when he does
it.
If he were doing that, with a decent mouth piece he could be over as hell as a tweener. Then think of the options.
Cheers!
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 12:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
You're looking at this wrong punker, skidsberto has been telling us for a while now that it doesn't matter how much the paying customers
in Dallas shit on the main event. The important thing is that Vince gets to finish telling us the remarkable story of LOLreignswins!1! Because fuck
us, thats why.
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
If at the end of the day Roman Reigns wins the belt at Mania and gets booed...does it actually matter?
There just isn't enough of a negative, whether it's one night of boos or even silence that seem to bring forth a need to not finish their
story (which has been going for far longer than Orton-Batista or even Reigns-Brock was) and not get that replayable championship moment for Roman
Reigns, who whether he turns heel later on or not, is definitely going to be a top star for them in the future.
One bad reaction (to what will probably still be a really good match) isn't going to throw them off enough for it to matter. And I know
that's not the answer many people want (and lord knows, I'm not arguing the merits of Reigns-HHH ever again), but that's a perfectly
logical way they're probably looking at this.
[Edited on 3-12-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
I mean it does make sense, its only been one bad reaction afterall
You know, I've been here a while and you can't be here on OO a while without knowing that if you're on the minority end of the
argument, you're going to absorb your shots. I don't think anyone would argue against that I've discussed this one subject with the
purpose any of us with a strong opinion on a matter would...and we've had some great conversations about it despite not agreeing at all. And
I've been lighthearted with this too (I don't think you can be anything else when you have janerd has one of your favorite posters) to
take the jokes at my expense when I deserve it...
So even with that in mind, Columbo...what in the fuck are you talking about?
First of all, lumping the hours I've spent actually caring about my position on this Reigns front with a guy in royberto who just showed up,
whose someone many have deemed to be trolling (and that I only became aware of Saturday, even more so, only saw his weeks-old Raw thread stuff minutes
ago), and you yourself has called a fucking idiot is fairly insulting, which frankly takes away the fun of discussing something that isn't
exactly life or death. [By the way, other than this thread, I haven't even brought up Roman Reigns since the post-FL thread weeks
ago...so...]
Second of all, do you bother to understand context here? Because my response had nothing to do with what they *should* do. It was how I thought they
[WWE] would be reacting to this in the context of everyone thinking that the main event, and only the WM main event, would actually have long-ranging
disastrous effects, so lumping me in on the "THEY HAVE TO FINISH THE STORY FRONT" is ridiculous. I literally wrote in the last paragraph
"I'm not arguing the merits of Reigns-HHH ever again", so I don't even understand how you could miss that.
Third of all, before *Fast Lane*, I said while I understood if they go this manner, and can see many of the reasons why it's fine, that I think
*they should go to a 4-way at Mania* and have basically stayed as much away from this topic as possible, so not being able to get past some
generalities is ridiculous and doesn't exactly make me want to take anything you say seriously either.
I'm sure I'll get laughed at because of this, but jeez...a little respect (okay, asking a lot there...maybe just a bit less disrespect?).
Be mad at royberto but figure out the difference between people here. This has been one of the more passionate topics in the decade I've been
here and that's enjoyable. No problem being the foil here since I believe in it and it's good to help get the frustrations out on the
other side of the perspective.
But the second you aren't allowed to have a strong opinion which sways from the majority here without being dumped in with that kind of a
poster, it isn't even worth being around.
Which is why I'm announcing my retirement from OO. It's been a good run.
Unretiring in an hour for Raw. WOOOO.
[Afternoon cartoon lessons over]
P.S.
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
The biggest problem with Reigns and his inability to connect with the crowd as a whole is that he's been miscast in his role. I mean think about
it, it's been pretty much a foregone conclusion since The Shield burst onto the scene that Roman was Vince's "next big thing". Back when
The Shield was around, Roman was over as hell because he had Seth and Dean around to help camouflage his shortcomings as a performer. He was initially
just the stoic bruiser everyone wanted to take the hot tag.
Once Seth turned, Roman was inexplicably hellbent on taking out The Authority instead of pursuing a blood-feud against the man, his supposed
"brother", who cheap-shotted him a steel chair. Dean went after Seth, the logical choice, and ended up having probably the feud of the year (at the
very least it overshadowed any program Roman was involved in.)
Think many have said this before - but it goes well with this - had they decided to go the Cena route with him later on, and just stuck with the
"Goldberg-type" force he had been in The Shield in the immediate, he would never have lost his coolness with the adult crowd. Even if this push had
been foreseen by everyone as it ha been, there were ways around this and they made one too many mistakes (add in the mannerisms and promo-style
they've given him, and the Daniel Bryan RR moment which was more the powder-keg than the cause of all of this) that eventually piled up and
became too much. Even when they came up with good ideas to fix it, like post-TLC, they couldn't stick with it long enough to make it work and
their usual booking flaws crushed it. It's always going to be a little more harsh to him around RR/Mania when so much is at stake and everyone
cares more, but they've done a number on him that continues to create an uphill battle for him in their older millennial market.
[Edited on 3-14-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:17 AM
S Kid,
Don't take it to heart. You should take whatever he says with a grain of salt. You're talking to someone who won't accept Roman
Reigns for his faults, but at the same time once said that Finn Balor should be the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, even though his biggest faults are
all the same as Reigns' biggest faults. There is no reasoning with people like that.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 09:00 AM
* WWE breaks the old Nitro stage out of mothballs.
* They make sho' you ain't booty" might be among the 5 greatest slogans ever.
* Speaking of Nitro, I think Jericho did this same promo on Nitro a decade ago. Or maybe it was Raw.
* Jericho/Swagger? This isn't even a Raw now. This is a Smackdown.
* JBL behaving as the voice in his headset screams at him to after Y2J's win.
* Well, Enzo & Cass sure have their schtick down.
* NXT can do tag teams.
* Stupid Divas promo: "No title match." "Coward." "OK, title match." WTF?
* Natalya again proving to be the most underappreciated woman on the roster.
* The Eater of Worlds scared shitless by the Beast. Bock-bock-ba-gock.
* Is this the first chance Canada has had to cheer Sami Zayn?
* Of all things, Toronto crowd dead for a Zayn match. Jericho was right.
* Cody proving again to be one of the most underappreciated men on the roster.
* Brilliant booking here with whole Ambrose Game Plan idea.
* This just in, HHH is still really good, even if his character has no business being in the ring right now, let alone champion.
* Hey, those are new monitors HHH is tossing around. Only took two decades for Vince to get rid of those metal box things.
* Well, as we all knew, nothing changed as far as WM, but they made it fun getting there tonight. BTW, where's the other main eventer, lo,
these 3 weeks from the biggest show of the year?
I do NOT love RKO, you sarcastic bastards.
"There are no politics in WWE." - Stephanie McMahon
"BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!" - Me
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quote:Originally posted by Dominator
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quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Second of all, do you bother to understand context here? Because my response had nothing to do with what they *should* do. It was how I thought they
[WWE] would be reacting to this in the context of everyone thinking that the main event, and only the WM main event, would actually have long-ranging
disastrous effects, so lumping me in on the "THEY HAVE TO FINISH THE STORY FRONT" is ridiculous. I literally wrote in the last paragraph
"I'm not arguing the merits of Reigns-HHH ever again", so I don't even understand how you could miss that.
But I feel like you have said that? More than once. You've definitely argued, "this Reigns story has been going on for so long that they need
to finish it," side of things.
Which is fine. You clearly are a Roman fan, (or are at least a fan of the story). To each their own (I guess)... but cripes, man... don't get
all "golly gee, I just can't understand why you're picking on me" when someone calls you out on something that you do. And have been
doing.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:17 PM
Skids you're one of my favorite posters here. Sorry for lumping you in with tRollberto. I was honestly just busting your balls about the "one
bad reaction" thing, and didn't mean to imply that you're an idiot.
quote:Originally posted by Slade
S Kid,
Don't take it to heart. You should take whatever he says with a grain of salt. You're talking to someone who won't accept Roman
Reigns for his faults, but at the same time once said that Finn Balor should be the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, even though his biggest faults are
all the same as Reigns' biggest faults. There is no reasoning with people like that.
Yeah its not like I didn't explain my "reasoning".
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
Also Finn could be WWE champion tomorrow and I'd be cool with it. While he may not be the greatest on the mic he always comes across as a
genuine human being, where RR in my opinion comes across as a subpar actor in a local dinner theatre. I'm willing to give the Cesaro, Finn, and
Nevilles of the world a chance because their performance is spectacular, but also because their love of wrestling shines through in their
personalities away from the ring. I don't get that from Roman it feels like its a job to him, like he wants to get in, get money, and get
out.
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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quote:Originally posted by Columbo
Skids you're one of my favorite posters here. Sorry for lumping you in with tRollberto. I was honestly just busting your balls about the "one
bad reaction" thing, and didn't mean to imply that you're an idiot.
), but they yanked Vince's balls off and ran with them on their own accord. And sure,
I can understand the Company's temptation for wanting a clean-cut, muscular, relatively trouble free guy as the face that runs the place. After
having the drug-fueled hand grenade that was Shawn, the surly recalcitrant asshole that was Austin, and the terminal malcontent that was Punk all
screaming to be the top guy, I can absolutely see why they'd want someone relatively trouble free and Cena-esque in the position. Two problems
with that, though. First, Cena ground it out to become that top guy and absolutely learned how to handle the worst crowds could throw at him. Second,
which was my whole point I've been trying to get to and an addendum to Crunker's central thesis, is where's the drama in all this?
When it becomes so obvious and telegraphed who's going to be leading the charge, how is it inappropriate for any of us as fans, at least the
more reasonable amongst us, to voice our very real concerns to the E that they are entering a world of pain if they continue on this path? 
