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Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (March 14, 2016)
S Kid J E T S 48
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:29 AM
How do we...like...stop this Wrestlemania multi-divas match from happening?
Paddlefoot
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Any word yet on who quit? Aside from Ryback (good riddance) and maybe Sin Cara (meh) there's no way it can be any of the others that have
already performed tonight.
Was the rumor that someone downright quit or was it that someone pulled a Barrett and gave notice that he wasn't going to re-sign after his
current contract was up?
Got mentioned on the Rumours thread. Looked for follow up here in case anyone heard anything. Dirt sheets are saying nothing so far.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:36 AM
Oh my stars and garters, Lana.
The science is settled: Fuck Everybody
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:40 AM
Few things make me happier than Sami Zayn's theme song. Few things make me sadder than Brie Bella's theme song. In fact it's neck
and neck with her husbands retirement. Not sure whether that was a bad pun or not.
quote:Originally posted by merc
Both the Dolph cheers and (Steph prompted) yes chants were underwhelming. Methinks another misfire.
Yeah, I'm kinda with you there. However it was nice to see Dolph get a moment and make the most of it. Lord knows he's been owed one since
he understudied for Roman at Survivor Series 2014 and everything just got swept under the rug afterwards. ETA: TonyTH beat me to the punch as I was
cobbling this together, but the point still stands.
quote:Originally posted by Matte
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Any word yet on who quit? Aside from Ryback (good riddance) and maybe Sin Cara (meh) there's no way it can be any of the others that have
already performed tonight.
Was the rumor that someone downright quit or was it that someone pulled a Barrett and gave notice that he wasn't going to re-sign after his
current contract was up?
Alvarez said that they gave notice after their match at Raw last week. Not much else was expounded upon.
quote:Originally posted by Nobledictator1278
I appreciate what WWE is trying to do. There is no way in my mind that Dolph the character woudlnt' take that deal by HHH. His character has
been nothing forever.....and he was promised relevance. I wish WWE could follow some sort of logic with their characters.
Fucking-A right. You would think that with all the writers that they have on staff that somebody would think to create a series bible of some sort to
reference.
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Of course he'd take it. They've been building to this for 3 years and it's finally going to happen!
Wow. That's a deep, obscure pull that'd make Dennis Miller shrivel up like Methuselah skinny-dipping at Book Of Enoch Summer Camp in his
tween years, m'kay?
Jumping back to Nobles mentioning of having characters act accordingly, and adhere to continuity...While I was copy and pasting and typing this all
out a commercial for something related to Connor's Cure played in a background window. The main thing I noticed was Stephanie McMahon once again
putting herself out there to be humanitarian of the year and Daniel Bryan incredulously asking a kid "What?! You like Roman Reigns more than
ME?!"
Unless I missed some bit of nuance (Which is a possibility), are they really trying that hard to get Roman over? WTF?
[Edited on 3/15/2016 by CM Crunk]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:42 AM
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Enjoyed that beatdown. Think the involvement of a slowed down moment at the end of these things where the heels really heel it up by hitting their
finishers one at a time and pick apart the faces is always more effective...kind of an issue I actually have with the usual Wyatts beatdown that is
generally punchy-kicky and nothing else.
Agreed. A quality beatdown by four guys that should be played as monsters far more often than they're being used. The problem with going against
New Day as faces is that WWE apparently forgot that the only thing that made ND interesting was when they turned heel. They drew squat for reactions
when they debuted as faces and that no-response is exactly what they'll go back to if they've been turned again.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:47 AM
I disagree with you Paddlefoot. I think New Day evolved from when they started very bland. I think they have been faces really for a few months now
parading as heels.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:50 AM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Enjoyed that beatdown. Think the involvement of a slowed down moment at the end of these things where the heels really heel it up by hitting their
finishers one at a time and pick apart the faces is always more effective...kind of an issue I actually have with the usual Wyatts beatdown that is
generally punchy-kicky and nothing else.
Agreed. A quality beatdown by four guys that should be played as monsters far more often than they're being used. The problem with going against
New Day as faces is that WWE apparently forgot that the only thing that made ND interesting was when they turned heel. They drew squat for reactions
when they debuted as faces and that no-response is exactly what they'll go back to if they've been turned again.
That is precisely what I'm worried about. I'd like to think that after they're done with LoN at Wrestlemania that they can go
overboard patting themselves on their backs the next night on the R.A.W. and slip back into their heelish ways when confronted by Enzo and Cass. I
don't like the thought of New Day getting defanged with a firm face-turn just because the higher-ups think they'll be able to sell more
merchandise. Last I checked they were doing fine on that front.
eta:
quote:Originally posted by Nobledictator1278
I disagree with you Paddlefoot. I think New Day evolved from when they started very bland. I think they have been faces really for a few months now
parading as heels.
I get what you're saying, and for the most part I agree. In fact I almost thing it's been their masquerading as heels that's worked
the most in their favor. The only thing that I can hope for in regards to any potential long run as faces is that they don't shift their act one
goddamn bit. Because that would truly be booty.
[Edited on 3/15/2016 by CM Crunk]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:50 AM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Got mentioned on the Rumours thread. Looked for follow up here in case anyone heard anything. Dirt sheets are saying nothing so far.
Ah, ok. I misinterpreted. I thought you were saying that the guy quit last week so it couldn't be anyone we see tonight. All cleared up.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:53 AM
So the thing that confuses me about project trick people into cheering for Roman take 297 is what the hell match can Mr. Ziggles get at Mania that
doesn't make him seem stupid? It will probably be something dumb like inserting himself into the IC shmozz.
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:53 AM
Hard to have a blood feud when you don't go after the people who took you out when they are right there. I hate when a team or a dude is in the
ring when someone comes out to the announce table. If the hatred was real they wouldn't' care who was in the ring.
The Usos should have just went right at the Dudley's.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:54 AM
Yeah, I gotta agree with the gentlepeoples who posted above me: Early New Day was "we've got the power of happy on our side!!! CHEER FOR US
PLEASE OH GOD I DON'T WANNA BE FUTURE ENDEAVORED!!!!"
Current New Day is "Booty-os" and "trombone sound effects" and a whole lot of other little things that they've added since then.
Even -I- have come around to see the glory of the not-preachers-anymore. I liked the guys as individuals, and thought "the (early) New Day" was
D.O.A. They've made the best out of a bad situation, and deserve to sell some t-shirts in boxes.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by Count Zero]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:56 AM
Lucille? C'mon, spoiler alerts guys.
The science is settled: Fuck Everybody
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 02:58 AM
I know WWE is bringing up new tag teams...but I still think New Day vs Wyatts could be alot of fun.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by Nobledictator1278]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:00 AM
Wait...isn't the whole "turn the face heel so we'll like them and that will enable them to become a great face" the argument being used
for wanting a [REDACTED] heel turn?
::gets electrocuted::
______
In all seriousness, as I wrote in the Roadblock thread before it got buried by tons of [REDACTED] talk, The New Day face turn was always necessary so
enable the eventual break up. With no face tag team on the main roster that can really challenge them (much like when The Shield turned after the
Wyatt feud), it was time. Doubt this could last forever, as great as they are, and it's always better to break up a team early so people
actually want them to unite later on.
I'm not saying it'll happen tomorrow...but they might want to strike while the iron is hot with Big E, who can easily play an entertaining
upper card heel with his body type and personality, and they're going to eventually run out of time on Kofi, who has finally found his tone with
this group. Next few months might be about lining them up for that eventually split and jump.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:04 AM
Somebody wake me up after the hopes are crushed?
(eta: okay, so now my signature is back? motherf... Internet, y u confuse me?)
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by Count Zero]
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Wait...isn't the whole "turn the face heel so we'll like them and that will enable them to become a great face" the argument being used
for wanting a [REDACTED] heel turn?
::gets electrocuted::
______
In all seriousness, as I wrote in the Roadblock thread before it got buried by tons of [REDACTED] talk, The New Day face turn was always necessary so
enable the eventual break up. With no face tag team on the main roster that can really challenge them (much like when The Shield turned after the
Wyatt feud), it was time. Doubt this could last forever, as great as they are, and it's always better to break up a team early so people
actually want them to unite later on.
I'm not saying it'll happen tomorrow...but they might want to strike while the iron is hot with Big E, who can easily play an entertaining
upper card heel with his body type and personality, and they're going to eventually run out of time on Kofi, who has finally found his tone with
this group. Next few months might be about lining them up for that eventually split and jump.
I think the only thing keeping me obtOOse in regards to The New Day is the fact that the three guys involved are on record saying that they
don't want to break up. Xavier has even said that his mission with The New Day is to get Kofi back into top title contention, and alluding to
the fact that tantrums like the ones on Randy Orton's part that supposedly derailed those plans would be far less effective so long as the three
of them were together and not divided.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:09 AM
I know there is alot of HHH hate out there, but I like the HHH as he is now, and its such a far cry from how he started with the Blue Blood gimmic.
When you think about HHH he really hasn't been that much of a heel....maybe doing the evil wifes bidding but really he has been level headed
badass that can back up what he says. HHH has basically said follow the company line and then folks don't follow it he has to deal with it.
I dont' think HHH has ever looked better in his career and I think is a bit underappreicated with folks and I think he even kill, best for
business gimmick is great for him. I like alot that he isn't being evil for the sake of being evil, but his character believes he is doing the
best for the company, his family and his kids. Thats the best kind of villain, a justified heel.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
I think the only thing keeping me obtOOse in regards to The New Day is the fact that the three guys involved are on record saying that they
don't want to break up. Xavier has even said that his mission with The New Day is to get Kofi back into top title contention, and alluding to
the fact that tantrums like the ones on Randy Orton's part that supposedly derailed those plans would be far less effective so long as the three
of them were together and not divided.
Is there a link (if this was a youtube or article instead of a podcast)? Definitely would like to check out whatever that interview was. Especially if
he brings up Orton...that sounds juicy.
I think the only problem with that is, it's harder to make that one guy in a group really stand out while they're all together. WWE tried
to do that with the Shield, which was a pretty separated group in terms of personality and ring work, and they really didn't evolve until they
separated.
As long as they're in the tag division too, WWE has never really pushed a singles guy from there. They just become the beatable guy vs. an
established singles guy (new exception: Kalisto).
Think it's possible though. They're unlike anything we've ever seen. Maybe they have something planned for the face turn that can
make them even bigger. If there's anyone the fans should trust to get themselves over now, its The New Day, who have freedom to do something
different than most WWE faces.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:18 AM
HHH is the king of making you think the underdog can win....
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Hunter is really pulling of those 2.999999 kickouts really well.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:21 AM
Well...that's been a decent-sized dream match of mine for a while (as known: Ziggler's one of my favorite wrestlers ever) and it lived up
to what I hoped it would. Glad I got to see that before HHH retired.
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:23 AM
The precise noise made by the crowd when Roman rushed the ring: Squeeeeboooooooo.
High-pitched excitement from the ladies & small folks (kids, not midgets) and then overwhelming boo-dom.
quote:Originally posted by Nobledictator1278
HHH is the king of making you think the underdog can win....
Even though I don't really like H^3.14, I will gladly admit this. I just
wish that sometimes the underdog WOULD win, because it would make things more fun & unpredictable. As it is, "the underdog almost wins" is the
HHHquivalent of Flair Goes To The Top Rope, only Flair occasionally LANDED the move.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by Count Zero]
Originally posted by williamssl
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:24 AM
Roman returns. To just about the reaction most of us expected. One thing that's intriguing, however, is Roman making his entrance via the ramp
and not through the crowd. Could Sin Cara's gimp suit not be the only bit of foreshadowing tonight?
Cole - "I'VE NEVER SEEN ROMAN REIGNS LIKE THIS!!!"
Yeah, and maybe he'd be getting cheered if we were a little more familiar with this type of behavior on his part.
Oh, and Skids, I'll have to check into it but I believe it was from a podcast that Xavier was a guest on months ago. But it could have also been
something as meaningless as an IGN interview. I'll get back to ya.
[Edited on 3/15/2016 by CM Crunk]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:24 AM
Man these fans must have had some taco bell before they came in....they're shitting all over this well Roman.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by Nobledictator1278]
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posted on 3-15-2016 at 03:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
Roman returns. To just about the reaction most of us expected. One thing that's intriguing, however, is Roman making his entrance via the ramp
and not through the crowd. Could Sin Cara's gimp suit not be the only bit of foreshadowing tonight?
Is he foreshadowing a new fear of walking down stairs?
