Paddlefoot
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I'm not sure if I want to see any of the released/future endeavoured end up in TNA because:
1) it won't do them any good because TNA won't stop being stupid just because some more WWE castaways arrive
2) it won't do TNA any good because none of these guys are big or talented enough to save TNA
3) odds are that Dixie will do something with them so moronic that it makes their last days in WWE look like fun for them in comparison
4) they aren't exempt in the slightest from getting shafted on their paycheques the way that too many other TNA people are, including ones that
are still there
All in all it's like being a bench-warmer in baseball or a fourth-line center in hockey looking for yet another team to sign to in the
off-season. Get old enough and they all turn into Crash Davis before too long. Happens to everyone who wasn't lucky/talented/favoured enough to
be one of the genuine stars. That feeder system at NXT is turning out to be far too good at creating fresh stars so the odds of any of the released
ones being brought back at all are much lower now than they were for veterans from the late 1990's who could cycle through WWF then WCW then ECW
and then come back in some capacity. The writing is really on the wall if WWE is so steeping in talent right now that they can legitimately tell Kurt
Angle or the Hardys that, no, you're not coming back because we simply don't need you and we're not obligated to put up with your
crazy bullshit again. At that stage with all those kind of obstacles, if I were young enough still and relatively uninjured, I'd pack it in and
move onto the next part of my life. Fun's fun and all but at some point they need to get serious and do something else.
Agree too with Anglefan about TNA simply not giving a damn at all about most of the people that work for them. Ask Daffney and the one Wolf who was
basically at the point of being Dynamite Kid-levels of crippled, and they still forced him to work, about how well TNA regards anyone with an injury.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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salmonjunkie
Best There Is Was or Ever Will Be 
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I don't think Cody is stupid enough to go to stupid TNA. Just saying he'd be hotshotted to the main event if he did. But really, I see
Japan, ROH, LU, or even NWA-affiliated indies as much more likely places he'll spend the next two or three years, rather than stupid TNA.
That applies to Wade, Ryback, Adam Rose, etc. No one who was released from WWE should go over to stupid TNA until they get their business shit back
together - and I honestly don't think that will happen. (exception - Wade's buddy Drew is champ over there. So I do think there's
a slight chance we'll see him show his face there briefly, even though I don't think it's the best move for him)
I pretty much can't type "TNA" without typing "stupid" in front of it these days. Stupid stupid stupid TNA.
Anyways, sorry I brought them up. Let's not talk about that silly company anymore for now. I'd much rather focus on just talking about
the individuals rather than stupid TNA.
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by salmonjunkie]
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williamssl
Steers and Queers
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But isn't TNA at this stage by definition stupid, in which case you could just type TNA and everyone would know you're talking about
stupid stupid TNA?
It's like when people say "close proximity". Proximity means "near or close".
Word economy.
Don't Mess With Texas
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vonLampertheim
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I know any kind of "What is so-and-so doing in the /insert second tier bingo hall/, /insert third tier announcer/?" reply gets dismissed as not
being serious, but Cody having monster two year run in NJPW as part of the Bullet Club would seriously be the best thing for his career. He would get
to learn all the intangibles about getting/staying over from a similarly-sized Kenny Omega, his stock rises exponentially and he breaks through that
midcard ceiling, NJPW gets one of WWE's best rough diamonds after losing talent to the recent WWE raid, and Cody can come back to the delight of
the WWE crowd in two years a la Luke Gallows. Plus, all the Iron Chef reruns he can stomach---Sakai ftw.
[Edited on 23-5-16 by vonLampertheim]
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Flash
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I can't see any of these guys going to TNA... I mean they'll have bills to pay, which would require actually being, you know, paid.
I don't see Cody ever coming back as a main eventer, but a consistent upper mid-carder once he can shake the quasi-jobber status with a few
years away is very likely... plus; who knows what two years from now might hold... I'm not talking about some mystical new promotion rising to
the level of respectability, but with the network, a true brand split isn't out of the question. Cody Rhodes probably isn't ever going to
be the Raw champ, but a Smackdown, or NXT champ isn't out of the question (and for the record him being Raw champ shouldn't be either).
Anyway.... best of luck to Cody; you were a master of turning the crap they gave you into some pretty entertaining stuff.
As for Adam Rose this was probably his only play... He likely knew once he came back from suspension he was destined for the chopping block, and while
he was suspended he couldn't make money.
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anglefan85
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Hmm, Cody Rhodes in the Bullet Club. I could get behind that.
The WWE: Where no one wins, unless you like Cena, in which case you are a sad little fanboy who will never get laid, but we are happy to take your
money away-Moosehead Jack
"She is an estrogen molotov cocktail. It'd be in your best interest not to piss her off."- My thoughts on Firewoman
"Kurt Angle is like a living vortex of the surreal. On the off chance he's not doing, saying or thinking crazy things, people connected to him
act crazy by association, caught in the gravitational pull of his insanity."- Ringout from FAN Forums
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salmonjunkie
Best There Is Was or Ever Will Be
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quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Hmm, Cody Rhodes in the Bullet Club. I could get behind that.
I second this
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anglefan85
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Now for some positive news for TNA:
www.wrestlezone.com/news/711249-pop-tv-president-speaks-out-on-tna-wrestlings-current-status-says-impact-wrestling-is-not-being-canceled-and-will-rema
in-on-the-network
They've got a multi-year deal. The network just forgot to mention them.
The WWE: Where no one wins, unless you like Cena, in which case you are a sad little fanboy who will never get laid, but we are happy to take your
money away-Moosehead Jack
"She is an estrogen molotov cocktail. It'd be in your best interest not to piss her off."- My thoughts on Firewoman
"Kurt Angle is like a living vortex of the surreal. On the off chance he's not doing, saying or thinking crazy things, people connected to him
act crazy by association, caught in the gravitational pull of his insanity."- Ringout from FAN Forums
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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In Pop-TV's defense keeping TNA is now about as significant as keeping the same custodial company for another year that sends cleaners out at
night to spruce up their office bathrooms and empty the waste bins. It's nice for the janitors but who the hell else really gives a fuck about
it.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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salmonjunkie
Best There Is Was or Ever Will Be
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Stupid TNA just won't die, will they? Ok, Fine.
My terrible prediction: Cody, Wade, and Ryback will all ambush Drew Galloway and be known as "The Group".
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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Jesus Christ, Josh! What are Moonrock, Ward Bennett, and The Large Man doing in the Impact Zone?!?!?!?
I don't know, Josh, but they seem to be taking their frustrations out on the other newcomer Ray Leppard, the Extreme Badger!
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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Flash
The Rowdy One
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Couple of rumours, or at least stuff getting fleshed out a bit more...
*Cody's departure from the WWE was apparently not on good terms, and there is talk that the WWE might try and stick it to him not just for the
old 90 no compete period, but for the length of time that was left on his contract. Apparently this beef was coming from Vince reneging on letting him
go back to being Cody.
I can see the 90 no compete, but the rest is probably just noise... The WWE hasn't had a lot of luck enforcing that stuff in the past, and
starving out the son of a legend, and a guy who gave you 10 years in his own right is heavy handed by even WWE standards.
*Mayor Kane? Apparently Kane, who's 49, is giving some serious thought to running for the mayor of Knox county Tennessee. Kane has been fairly
prominently attached to some different public positions in the past, lending his name in support to others who've run, and appearing in some
conservative papers/interviews.
At 49 the guy can't be long for the ring, although you wouldn't know it... is a mayor spot going to be the one that he opts to hang up the
mask for? The guy also owns an insurance agency for the past several years, so he seems like he's been planning for life after the WWE for a
while now.... although the idea of Kane selling you home insurance, completely with coverage for HELL FIRE... makes me laugh a bit.
*George "the animal" Steel is dealing with some pretty serious health conditions right now per his twitter... no details, but here's hoping he
pulls through.
*After Extreme Rules went off the air Rollins celebrated with the belt for a few moments and then left. Reigns then woke up from his nap and was
promptly booed out of the building. Apparently Bubba Ray took offense to the anti-Roman chants, and took to twitter to air his grievance.
*We may be getting a women's MITB match this year.... I just don't think they have enough depth to warrant this yet.
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ejspoon
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Adding Cody to the Bullet Club, at least the Elite version, might be a bit much considering Cole and Page just joined. But Cody vs. Lethal? All
sorts of awesome.
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jefft221
And I am AWESOME
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I think WWE would have to keep paying Cody the rest of the contract if they want to keep him not wrestling for that plus 90 days.
I wonder if he'd be able to be Cody Rhodes elsewhere or have to be Cody Runnels.
Team Street Smarts?: Cody Streets & Damon Sandien?
I had thought about a Women's MITB match, but thought a twist on it would be different. I had dreamed up a "Bank-Vault" match instead. Still
have a contract but it's at the top of a cage. So confined to being in a ring, ~4-5 women would be plenty so depth of ~6-8 wouldn't be an
issue, might be a bit safer trying out a cage match than a ladder match with the women and would give it it's own identity apart from a MITB
ladder match.
But then WWE makes an Asylum match the month before and now that'd feel redundant.
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CCharger
The Rowdy One 
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quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Couple of rumours, or at least stuff getting fleshed out a bit more...
*Cody's departure from the WWE was apparently not on good terms, and there is talk that the WWE might try and stick it to him not just for the
old 90 no compete period, but for the length of time that was left on his contract.
I thought the CM Punk and ADR situation's both proved that independent contractors cannot be held to a no compete.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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Cody has to keep in mind that if he doesn't co-operate that they might take it out on Dustin and Eden, just like when AJ Lee had to bail out on
them when their fight with Punk just got too intense for her to stick around any more. Whether they actually would try to take some kind of petty
revenge is debatable but the apprehension will always be their with some of the potentially vindictive personalities at the top of the WWE food chain.
Kind of typical with all bosses everywhere. If you're lower on the totem pole than they are you never can full trust any of them.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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CCharger
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
CWhether they actually would try to take some kind of petty revenge is debatable.
Yeah, I can't imagine Vince or HHH ever being petty, vengeful, or vindictive.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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All I said was there's probably apprehension about revenge being taken and that's a healthy feeling for anyone anywhere in an inferior
power position to have, not just at WWE. Anyone who fully trusts their boss is a fucking idiot, and that applies to every employee or sub-contractor
on the planet. That being said when it comes down to the belief that Vince & StepHHH are extra-vindictive and out to nuke any employee that goes
astray there's a real lack of supporting evidence. They didn't do anything to derail Owen after Bret punched Vince out after the Screwjob;
if anything, going by some of those YouTube shoot interviews, both Vince and HBK said that the bad blood stopped with Bret and assured Owen it
wouldn't affect him at all. AJ probably would have been in more trouble for mouthing off at Stephanie on Twitter than she would have for being
married to Punk. Cody might not push the issue and just take the time off in order to ensure there's no repercussions for Dustin and Eden even
though in all likelihood they wouldn't do anything to them anyway.
I'm just guessing here but I assume that most of your venom for WWE comes from your support for CM Punk and how he was "mistreated" by WWE
even though he was a central figure and multiple-times title holder during his six or seven years there. Just wondering why you feel this way
considering, as I've stated, there's a clearly lack of evidence that WWE is out to "get" anyone. There's people they'll
clearly never hire again (Jarrett, Angle, Dupree) and they'll still botch more than enough storylines because they far too often can't see
a great talent even when it's standing right in front of them (Bryan). That's a far way from proof though that they're insanely
revenge-driven and out to mash those that fall into to their bad books into the ground. For all their quirks and eccentricities there's a hell
of a lot of other wrestling bosses out there that have been significantly worse to work for than the McMahons have been.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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CCharger
The Rowdy One
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I don't know if WWE is extra-vindictive. But apply it to the real world of business. If you work for a multi-million dollar media company and
one member of a married couple quits in a huff, how often does that company attempt to destroy or harm he remaining spouse? Not many. Why?
They'd get sued up the ass. WWE can get around this by blaming any burial on "creative direction" rather than any acrimony.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
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Not really. Not when it was widely available public information that the relationship between Punk and WWE had turned to shit long before he made his
final departure. I highly doubt that AJ was in any lasting trouble at all, even with the Twitter beef with Steph that happened, and that she'd
be in the thick of things for the women's title right now if she had stayed. She was simply too talented and visible and popular to downgrade
her to a Tamina or Rosa Mendes status, not when all those matches she could have had with the NXT call-ups were just begging to happen. When it gets
down to it I'd bet far more that she left simply out of loyalty to Punk, and to put an end to any internet soap opera over the issue, than
because of any problems she might have had with WWE management.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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CCharger
The Rowdy One
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I'm not talking about Punk. You're talking about Punk.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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bigfatgoalie
The Man
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quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I don't know if WWE is extra-vindictive. But apply it to the real world of business. If you work for a multi-million dollar media company and
one member of a married couple quits in a huff, how often does that company attempt to destroy or harm he remaining spouse? Not many. Why?
They'd get sued up the ass. WWE can get around this by blaming any burial on "creative direction" rather than any acrimony.
How often does WWE?
AJ got a prime spot on the Mania card AFTER Punk left.
Lana's social media blunders didn't hurt Rusev.
Drew McIntyre was just as involved in his wife's mania meltdown...and his depush had as much to do with injury.
On the subject of morale, what is interesting is that a lot of the guys speaking out recently had kinda peaked. Ryback, Barrett, and Cody were all
usable guys to have on the roster. But they were quickly out classed by guys like Owens, Rollins, Ambrose, and even Roman. But Rhodes has made it
clear that he thought he had shown he was a top talent. Which bring up an easy to answer question: is Cody Rhodes capable of being the blue chip guy
you build RAW around?
No.
On the same scale...Ryback complained about money, and how the guy who loses shouldn't be paid more. And I don't doubt the WWE pay scale
is bonkers...when you look at the top 10 paid performers...it does make sense. Should Ryback be making as much as Cena? Dear lord no. But if we are
basing it on value...he shouldn't be making as much as Ambrose or even Sheamus. I mean...has lacking Ryback hurt RAW or Smackdown?
No.
Will not having Cody hurt the product?
No.
Do I agree with Cody that he could have been better used? 100%. Do I accept that the writers probably ignored him because his ideas weren't
there own? Sure. Is a writer trying to hook up with young talent while avoiding his job deplorable? Very much. All of these are valid points.
But at the end of the day the main disagreement the leaving or soon to be leaving talent has is that they think they are more valuable (either in
turns of pay, push, or WM main event worthiness) than the WWE does. Does it completely discredit their complaints about how the WWE works? No. But it
is a reminder to take their bitterness in stride.
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The Hitcher
Fella
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Edens apparently asked for and been granted her release as of my Facebook feed so, probably a non starter on the en-shaftening.
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First 9
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Yeah, they're vindictive but only when they get hit in their wallet. Punk left in the middle of WM season forcing them to rearrange a huge
portion of their biggest event of the year and left them without one of their top players.
Cody asked for his release, Vince and HHH probably won't feel any real effects of his sudden departure, and they probably couldn't give a
fuck about Cody violating the 90 day no-compete clause. There's no avenue for Cody to compete that puts him in direct competition with WWE.
It's either Japan, Mexico, or the small American feds. The closest thing they might give a shit about is LU or TNA, who both have money issues
and probably couldn't afford him. Not to mention the shitload of tapings they sandwich together so who knows when the debut of Cody Runnels
would make it on the air.
Now Adam Rose on the other hand might get blacklisted for trying to make their drug policy look like an unfair and ineffective system. That's
their public image that runs of the risk of being tarnished, now that they probably won't just forget if Rose tries to come back.
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SpiNNeR72
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Lets face it, Cody was a good hand but, as the chants many years ago went, "you're not gold dust" I was shot down when I mentioned the end of
Stardust due to AJ Styles arrival, and still can't imagine anyone could have missed how much Cody based his character on Styles, but
whatever.
Fact is he can be a big name due to his heritage almost anywhere else, and will raise his value to return one day (we all know bridges get rebuilt)
However, something I have thought about a lot would seem to apply to a lot of these recent releases - we often hear the "if you dont wanna be champ
and lead the company then why are you here" type lines, but thats incredibly narrow minded.
There is nothing wrong with being a solid midcarder, and even a solid jobber. If I could be any wrestler on the current roster I'd pick Heath
Slater! Gets lots of cool spots without the presure of being in the top spot, or trying to stay/get there.
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