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Author: Subject: PPV DISCUSSION THREAD: BattleGround 2016
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posted on 7-25-2016 at 03:45 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Am I the only one not excited for the triple threat? I know I should be, but something about the suspension, the draft, and the build have me feeling lackluster for something that should be awesome.


No, you're not entirely alone... I think the fact that it's on a non-big PPV, and is being over shadowed by the brand split kind of makes something that should be a Wrestlemania main event level match we've all be waiting a long time to see feel shoe horned in.

Roman's suspension probably hurts it a bit too.

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posted on 7-25-2016 at 03:51 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
ReBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Edited for breaking the bOOards.

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I guess we can't accuse Roman of never changing his look now... he grew in his cheeks!

So if the rule of thumb of hair and heel turns plays out.....

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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:07 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Eva Marie needs to be ReBooooooo's valet going forward. Just embrace it. He could get a Wish Kid booed. People really hate this guy.





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:14 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
...Well. THAT was unexpected!





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
How's that second serving of humble pie, Roman?





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:17 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yes! Very good match by all three guys.

Becky was walking right behind Cena. That's a clear sign she's being buried.





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:26 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Wow, Ambrose wins clean. I like.

And does this mean that Ambrose/Cena or Ambrose/Styles are the two most logical choices for SummerSlam? Either way, I'm on board.

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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:32 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Yes! Very good match by all three guys.

Becky was walking right behind Cena. That's a clear sign she's being buried.


Ha! Beat me to it. However, Becky in normal clothes breaks my immersion which buries her further. She may as well call it a career.

What's Bethanie O'Lynch doing in the Impact Zone Taz!?!?!





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 04:46 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Yes! Very good match by all three guys.

Becky was walking right behind Cena. That's a clear sign she's being buried.


Ha! Beat me to it. However, Becky in normal clothes breaks my immersion which buries her further. She may as well call it a career.

What's Bethanie O'Lynch doing in the Impact Zone Taz!?!?!


How about Halle Berried?





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 05:27 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There can't ever be another first time ever Shield Triple Threat, I think Ambrose is safely past the Foley zone and will be a big player permanently.

Also, it might seem like damning praise but the last two Battlegrounds were forgettable and dissapointing, this one was a major step up. Hope it bodes well for SummerSlam.

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posted on 7-25-2016 at 05:38 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Ended up watching tonights show with my usual group that gets together for the big 4 shows, so I'll kind of have to reserve solid judgement until I can rewatch the show because I'm sure there is plenty that I missed.

What I will say though is that I'm surprised the whole gang got together tonight because a lot of them are filthy casuals. But they've been roped in by the Draft hype-train, so using them as a controlled study for my neck of the woods shows that WWE is on to something. The fact that they were pretty into the show as a whole speaks well too. The kids were wayyyy into Sami, Enzo & Cass, Sasha and lost their goddamn minds for Bayley (not gonna lie, some of us adults did too. *cough*) The vocal contingency for Roman that's been a regular fixture at our get togethers since his Rumble win last year have all but turned their backs on the guy, which is surprising because they were pretty into the guy as recently as this past Wrestlemania. They were pretty evenly split for Dean and Seth though, and everybody left happy.

Like I said, if this group of casuals is any indication of general interest in WWE as a whole, then Vince & Co. might be onto something. Although Roman might want to beg for a heel turn. AND FAST.





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 05:44 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
RAW's main event scene is a little lacking to pull that trigger just yet. Besides Brock, you'd have Sami Zayn on one corner and Reigns, Rollins, and Owens in the other. Zayn vs the World?

I know the Rollins face run is coming but I feel it's still too soon.

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RAW's main event scene is a little lacking to pull that trigger just yet. Besides Brock, you'd have Sami Zayn on one corner and Reigns, Rollins, and Owens in the other. Zayn vs the World?

I know the Rollins face run is coming but I feel it's still too soon.


Well, aside from going after Ambrose with a chair immediately afterwards, I definitely got a facey-vibe from Rollins when they were double-teaming Reigns. Hell most of the match, even. I wouldn't mind them pulling the trigger on a double turn for Seth and Roman. Ostensibly they've already turned anyway. Might as well cement the turns at Summerslam.





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Something that I just thought abour, with Cena just playing a part in a six-man, Orton and Jericho limited to a segment, and guys like Show nowhere to be found, was this the first ppv that was pretty much almost an entire showcase for ''The New Era''?

A tremendous Main Event, borderline MOTY candidate, an awesome debut, and overall a fun, fun show. The more I think it through the more I think this has been the best PPV of the year so far, with only MITB from last month coming close.

Yeah, I figure the Rollins/Reigns double turn is where there heading. Can't wait for into to eventually morph into Rollins vs HHH(thisis exactly what would happen) and get the battle of the Pedigrees.

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Something that I just thought abour, with Cena just playing a part in a six-man, Orton and Jericho limited to a segment, and guys like Show nowhere to be found, was this the first ppv that was pretty much almost an entire showcase for ''The New Era''?

A tremendous Main Event, borderline MOTY candidate, an awesome debut, and overall a fun, fun show. The more I think it through the more I think this has been the best PPV of the year so far, with only MITB from last month coming close.

Yeah, I figure the Rollins/Reigns double turn is where there heading. Can't wait for into to eventually morph into Rollins vs HHH(thisis exactly what would happen) and get the battle of the Pedigrees.


edit: Had to jump from my phone over to my laptop to do some proper formatting and to re-sort each list by debut from earliest to most recent. It should also be noted that I am not factoring in NXT/OVW/FCW debuts for any of the folks listed here. Only WWE debuts that the casual fan might be aware of.

"Old WWE"
Name / Age / Debut Date

Bob Backlund / 66 / 1977
John Cena / 39 / June 27, 2002
The Miz / 35 / April 21, 2006
Zack Ryder / 31 / May 1, 2007
Maryse / 33 / May 21, 2007
Kofi Kingston / 34 / January 22, 2008
Natalya / 34 / April 11, 2008
Darren Young* / 36 / February 23, 2010
Jimmy Uso / 30 / May 24, 2010
Jey Uso / 30 / May 24, 2010
Fandango / 35 / October 23, 2012


"New WWE"

Dean Ambrose / 30 / November 18, 2012
Roman Reigns / 31 / November 18, 2012
Seth Rollins / 30 / November 18, 2012
Big E / 30 / December 17, 2012
Bray Wyatt / 29 / July 8, 2013
Erick Rowan / 34 / July 8, 2013
Xavier Woods / 29 / November 18, 2013
Rusev / 30 / January 26, 2014
Lana / 31 / January 31, 2014
Sami Zayn / 32 / May 4, 2015
Kevin Owens / 32 / May 18, 2015
Becky Lynch / 29 / July 13, 2015
Charlotte / 30 / July 13, 2015
Sasha Banks / 24 / July 13, 2015
Braun Strowman / 32 / August 24, 2015
Tyler Breeze / 28 / October 22, 2015
AJ Styles** / 39 / January 24, 2016
Big Cass / 29 / April 4, 2016
Enzo Amore / 29 / April 4, 2016
Karl Anderson** / 36 / April 4, 2016
Luke Gallows** / 32 / April 4, 2016
Dana Brooke / 27 / May 9, 2016
Bayley / 27 / July 24, 2016
Mojo Rawley / 30 / July 24, 2016


*I included Young in the "Old" class because even though he was on the first 'season' of NXT he was more or less a product of WWEs old way of doing things. Fandango as well. I think we can all agree that The Shield debut kind of signifies the official beginnings of what is now a "New Era" much like how the debut of Barry West's Flash in Showcase #4 in 1956 brought about the Silver Age of Comics--How many people did I just lose? Bottom line is that Fandango was one of the last high-profile debuts in 2012 before The Shield burst onto the scene later year...

**Styles, Gallows and Anderson made names for themselves outside of WWE. For the sake of this list, I'm making like Gallows and considering Festus a completely separate person.








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And look how many of the new guys were pretty much in the center stage. Main Event, MOTN, Pop of the night, fuck even arguably promo of the night with that incredible Enzo pre-show thrash talking.

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posted on 7-25-2016 at 02:18 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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RAW's main event scene is a little lacking to pull that trigger just yet. Besides Brock, you'd have Sami Zayn on one corner and Reigns, Rollins, and Owens in the other. Zayn vs the World?

I know the Rollins face run is coming but I feel it's still too soon.


You forgot Balor... Whom I assume debuts tonight?





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Very fun PPV. I have to admit I marked out for Bayley. I ffwd (early morning watch) middle matches. Wow for Zayn and Owens and 3T and both six mans were fun.

I am glad that Ambrose won. Logic would tell me that Rollins and Reigns are at the back of the line since they lost their last two title matches (and one draw). I am worried that they go against that logic and give one of them another shot. I am guessing AJ/Cena continue through SS so who's next...Bray Wyatt from Smackdown?

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I don't know what the fuck a Gronk is, but if it's part of the reason Mojo Rawley is on my TV right now I never want to find out.


I believe a Gronk is considered one step above an NFL tight end multiple murderer and/or a hopeful drug and alcohol related vomit asphixiation death if you're a Dolphins fan. As a non -sportsball fellow, I assume you understand most of the words I just wrote, though not in the order I used them.


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You forgot Balor... Whom I assume debuts tonight?


I would love to see Rollins demand a World Title simply for being the number one draft pick for Raw, and Balor comes out as the next highest pick to challenge him. I mean, we would all like Rollins vs Balor, right?





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posted on 7-25-2016 at 05:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Calling it now ... debut of the Balor "Club" tonight. I think they'll start a long term story that culminates in Styles vs Balor down the road at WrestleMania.

Pretty easy to do. They will be seperate for the next few months. Have a backstage "Club Meeting" at SummerSlam. Team up as a 4 man OMGFIRSTTIMEEVAR Club team at Survivor Series. The Rumble blows it all up as the Rumble so often does. Then they have a 30 minute classic at WM. A few rematches, and in a year we can move along to Balor as a fully made main eventer.





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Aside for the Becky/Natalya fiasco and Young/Miz, that was a solid show from top to bottom and I'd probably end up doing the same booking on the other matches on the card. I'll have to watch it again to make sure, but I'd probably place Zayn/Owens over Zayn/Nakamura as Match of the Year. An excellent match, and I'm glad that Zayn went over since I feel he needed the win more.

Also, when Owens told him towards the end of the match, "Don't make me do this," it made me think that he may have been hinting at the Package Piledriver. And then that moment towards the end when Zayn hit the Helluva Kick and Owens was knocked out and leaning on him, Zayn's facial expression said it all, where he was conflicted over whether or not he should hit another one and finish him off for sure.

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Becky jobs clean again at a PPV. And people will still claim she isn't being treated like shit.

RIP Beck'y's career. Just another victim of Vince's ego.

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