Paddlefoot
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I was as good a reminder tonight as any, despite the relative hilarity and ingenuity of all the scheming and antics, that Jimmy is not the good guy in
all of this. Doing that to the seniors to get his payout was about as cruel as it gets. It's important to remember that, just like Walter White,
these guys are real monsters underneath everything else. Not as bad as Hector, Gus, Tuco, or Eladio, but bastards just the same. Goes back to grade
school English classes, in that just because someone's a protagonist of a story it doesn't make him the hero.
[Edited on 6/13/2017 by Paddlefoot]
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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CamstunPWG187
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Amen to that. Great episode and the ending was really a shocker. Little touches like "can you get me more coffee?" really make those kind of scenes
pop a little bit louder.
The old folks stuff was absolutely disgusting. What a horrible, horrible person Jimmy is.
Also, this episode marks the one true mistake Mike ever made, and that's being in the books of Madrigal, and thus, Pollos.
[Edited on 6-14-2017 by CamstunPWG187]
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janerd75
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| posted on 6-15-2017 at 02:25 AM |
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Damn shame Kim ran into that symbolism at the end of the episode. 
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
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punkerhardcore
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| posted on 6-15-2017 at 06:02 AM |
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That old blue haired had it coming. Nobody made her take those fancy sneakers.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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janerd75
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| posted on 6-21-2017 at 06:19 AM |
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For the first time ever, I think FTWD beat BCS in my week-to-week entertainment showdown. Especially considering it was the BCS finale, that's
saying quite a bit. However, I understand if YMMV.
It seemed much more like a decent mid-season 'filler' episode, especially with Chuck going all monotonously Twin Peak-y trying to find,
nay hunt down the source of the constant electricity in his house even after all the breakers were shut off. Regardless, methinks he didn't
really mean what he said to Jimmy and he is now regretting it in the most severe way, much to the contrary of his earlier advice to his brother.
Surprised there was no Mike involvement whatsoever. It was nice to see Gus give Nacho that knowing look at the end after it finally went down with
Hector, but I was expecting a bit more.
Looks like we're finally full steam ahead for meth production at the laundry joint next season, so that'll be cool.
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
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nOOb
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| posted on 6-21-2017 at 08:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
Also, this episode marks the one true mistake Mike ever made, and that's being in the books of Madrigal, and thus, Pollos.
[Edited on 6-14-2017 by CamstunPWG187]
I don't know if being part of the Pollos Hermanos family was really a mistake. Mainly because, this taken together with Breaking Bad, is Gus
really a bad guy (by these shows' standards)? Gus may have been the "big bad" Walter was trying to get to before he "got him", but
in the end Walter White wound up being one of the most straight up evil people on TV. He was in the empire business and Gus was an obstacle to that.
After the death of Gale, Gus left Walter to his own devices but ultimately tried to separate Jesse from Walter, possibly trying to save him from
Walter while trying to minimize Walter's presence.
Ultimately Madrigal tried to be an issue for Mike because they tried to clean up too many loose ends after Gus died, but his continued association
with Walter after Madrigal tried to kill him and then sided with Walter did him in. Had Walter not entered the equation, Mike probably lives to die a
natural death and leaves his grand daughter with a large chunk of college money. All Gus cared about was making drugs, good chicken, and a loyal
workforce for both while he plotted out his revenge.
But Saul had to set up the intro between Walt and Gus, so in a way Chuck was right: Jimmy really does break everything regardless of intent.
"The Seahawks are cool. Me and Tubby here hung out with them once at a Bruno Mars concert."-Jay and Silent Bob representing the Broncos on FOX NFL
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janerd75
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| posted on 6-21-2017 at 03:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
Also, this episode marks the one true mistake Mike ever made, and that's being in the books of Madrigal, and thus, Pollos.
[Edited on 6-14-2017 by CamstunPWG187]
I don't know if being part of the Pollos Hermanos family was really a mistake. Mainly because, this taken together with Breaking Bad, is Gus
really a bad guy (by these shows' standards)? Gus may have been the "big bad" Walter was trying to get to before he "got him", but
in the end Walter White wound up being one of the most straight up evil people on TV. He was in the empire business and Gus was an obstacle to that.
After the death of Gale, Gus left Walter to his own devices but ultimately tried to separate Jesse from Walter, possibly trying to save him from
Walter while trying to minimize Walter's presence.
Ultimately Madrigal tried to be an issue for Mike because they tried to clean up too many loose ends after Gus died, but his continued association
with Walter after Madrigal tried to kill him and then sided with Walter did him in. Had Walter not entered the equation, Mike probably lives to die a
natural death and leaves his grand daughter with a large chunk of college money. All Gus cared about was making drugs, good chicken, and a loyal
workforce for both while he plotted out his revenge.
But Saul had to set up the intro between Walt and Gus, so in a way Chuck was right: Jimmy really does break everything regardless of intent.
Now that's some damn fine assessifying. On the Good/Bad scale I also had Walter quite a bit higher on the scale than Gus. Sure, Gus was a
literal drug lord in the traditional sense of the term and Walt was just a school teacher, but by the contrast of their respective arcs Walt was shown
to have far less scruples by disrupting and wrecking the lives of everyone around him, including his family. Gus was, as you mentioned, all about
making drugs, chicken, and good business for him and his workforce. He was consistent with his goals and forthright with his employees in both his day
and night jobs. And very Hannibal-esque in a sense. If you have manners and follow the rules, then there's no problem. Get rude or insulting?
Well, then chicken ain't the only thing that's going to be on the menu.
Funny that fuck-ups like Jimmy and Walt would be such disruptions for hardened killers and drug kingpins. Highly skilled in their areas of expertise
and yet so nearsighted when dealing with the big picture. And I'm starting to come around to the idea that the real star of the BCS/BB universe
is Bob Odenkirk's Jimmy/Saul. Walt had a spectacular arc going from somewhat nebbish high school science teacher to drug kingpin in a relatively
short amount of time. But in Jimmy/Saul we're essentially getting his whole life story of which BB, while intense and spectacular, was only a
short period of time for him overall. Like you mentioned, Jimmy really does break everything around him. Did so as a kid, as Slippin' Jimmy, as
a public defender, as a brother, as a boyfriend, as an attorney that lost his license, and finally as Saul when he put Walt with Gus. Man oh man am I
not particularly looking forward to the unintended consequences he has in store for Kim.
Also, my guess for next season: That wasn't Chuck's swan song and Jimmy will re-task himself to 'fixing' his brother which
will, as we know, not work out very well. On the fence if that was Don Hector's transformation into a stroked out invalid or if it was a swerve
and he'll get crippled up good and proper next season. The lack of Mike on the finale leads me in that direction, plus I hope to get more out of
Nacho and his Dad for that story.
ETA: Nevermind about my Chuck theory.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/arts/television/better-call-saul-finale-michael-mckean-chuck.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Ftelevision&
action=click&contentCollection;=television®ion;=rank&module;=package&version;=highlights&contentPlacement;=2&pgtype;=sectionfront
[Edited on 6-21-2017 by janerd75]
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G. Jonah Jameson
Man of a Thousand Holds
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| posted on 6-24-2017 at 03:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Anyone with better retention of details have any ideas who the body was in the desert that Mike dug up? Random Salamanca victim? The gold ring* seemed
prominent to the entire scene, as was that whoever it was seemed to be some sort of final straw for Mike to officially join up with Gus.
* do NOT suggest the Goatman, Janny  
[Edited on 6/7/2017 by Paddlefoot]
I was weeks behind on this season and just finished it tonight, so I've been deliberately avoiding this thread. But I thought the implication
was the body Mike found was the husband of the woman he bonded with in therapy. She said her husband's body was never found, the camera lingered
on the wedding ring of the corpse he dug up, he asked Nacho for a favor that presumably pertained to where bad people liked to bury bodies, etc. He
was trying to get her closure. That was my impression, at least.
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CVD39
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| posted on 6-24-2017 at 07:05 PM |
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Interesting. Didn't even think of that. Could be either. Maybe they mentioned it on the BCS podcast but I quit listening to that halfway
thru this season.
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CamstunPWG187
Man of a Thousand Holds
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| posted on 6-26-2017 at 06:24 PM |
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I still think it was the good samaritan that Hector shot.
Also, I didn't mean that signing with Madrigal was what did him in, but that it instead was the first huge mistake he ever made that went
against his instincts. It was huge in the sense that you might wonder how his savings for Kaylee would have been had he not been involved with them
at all, and instead did all of his offshore banking privately.
Naturally, he obviously made other huge mistakes that led to his demise, but that's the first time in the universe's history/timeline
where Mike ever made a mistake. He knew he shouldn't have done it and it haunted him during Season 5 of BB.
Don't forget, the only reason he chose to finally work with Walt is because his savings for Kaylee got completely eradicated in episode 2 of
season 5. Her account wouldn't have been flushed had he not been involved with Madrigal/Pollos. Basically, everything that happened can be
traced back to that signing in Lydia's office.
Also, the show hasn't been renewed for a fourth season and it's got me fucking worried.
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CVD39
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| posted on 6-27-2017 at 10:09 PM |
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It'll get renewed. Don't worry.
I don't remember the time line of that ladies husband going missing but he's probably been gone longer than him being the Good Samaritan,
right?
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punkerhardcore
American Dream
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| posted on 6-28-2017 at 01:12 AM |
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AMC announced the renewal, so breathe easy.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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CamstunPWG187
Man of a Thousand Holds
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| posted on 6-28-2017 at 03:55 PM |
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Good. Checking out the ratings, the finale was the highest rated episode of the season. That's a good sign.
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