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Subject: Hey, there's a PPV in four hours: WWE Backlash 2017
Paddlefoot
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 04:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by cardscott5
Paddlefoot - why are you fucking around with livestreams? Use periscope. Or just pay $10 like an adult.
Because I'm poor, and a shitty person in general. Network is $15 extra per month here in Soviet Canuckistan and the ones who control the bills
in this house don't want to add any more to the TV package.
Instructions on Periscope will be appreciated. Got malwared bad last month (locked up the laptop but good) so I'm a little wary of any new
downloading though.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
OORick
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 04:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by gobbledygooker
I think my one argument against Rick's very-well-laid-out scenario above would be that Guerrero was fucking molten hot when they switched over
to JBL, which nobody wanted to see, whereas Orton is just a big cup of "meh" and there were quite a few cheers for Mahal with him losing tonight.
This is true, but in case it's not a well-known matter of public record: Eddie was a trainwreck backstage.
Business was down with him as champ, no matter how good his performances, and he internalized it, big time. WWE was in a position where they either
kept riding him as champ (and given Eddie's history of "personal demons," this was not advisable), or took the strap off him and went another
direction.
In 2004, it was a true "shit or get off the pot" moment, and that's pretty much the only reason why JBL happened the way he did (it helped
that he and Eddie were legit friends)... here in 2017, there is no vaguely similar sense of immediacy. Orton's not good, but he's not bad,
and if you want to make a change, it should be for cause, not because you want to troll the smarks.
Rick
First 9
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 04:43 AM
Rick still is right with the point that they had to crown a new Champion back in 04. Eddie himself wanted to drop the Title. I will disagree with the
notion that they had nooptions back then.
RVD and Booker T had both just been drafted to SD and either one could have quickly been built up to take on Eddie. Hell, RVD was still getting great
actions despite being Evolution's bitch on RAW. Besides that there was Taker and if they wanted to hotshot him, Cena aswell.
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Odd thing to compete with TNA over, considering TNA can barely run a show in the US, in an amusement park where they're probably getting one
hell of a discount on the building they use.
Which makes their success over there dumbfouding. Maybe it's the network deal they managed to get or LOLTNA booking madness gels well with the
Bollywood Action film fans.
quote:Originally posted by the goon
Non-silver lining: 14-time world champion Randy Orton when he inevitably wins the belt back.
You know with Cena's Taker-like schedule, Orton could catch up to him and before we know it we can get Cena vs Orton 3 Stages of Hell in a Cell
to determine who will break Ric Flair's record. If Jinder can spare us from that, all hail the Maharaja!
DKBroiler
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 04:55 AM
Despite the fact that I turned it off an hour early to get some sleep () and I'm still up an hour after it's over ()
I'm all for Project Jinder ().
No really. I actually think this might work. I mean look what a push like this did for Jack Swa... um ...
Braun Strowman guy.
GodEatGod
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 04:56 AM
I'll second loving Orton murdering Jinder's oompa loompas. Those were some crazy ass bumps off those suplexes onto the announce tables.
As for Jindermania running wild - eh. I mean, am I psyched for it? Nope. But it's kind of a null set - Orton was boring as shit as champion. I
expect Jinder will be boring as champion. I assume it's setting up AJ to take the belt back finally at some point.
I mean, personally, if I were booking, I'd probably have AJ Styles stay champion till his legs fall off cause he's that damn good, but
that's just not how the WWE rolls these days (and probably won't afer the last guy they invested in that way pretty much told them to go
fuck themselves).
"It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don't like something, it is empirically not good. I don't like
Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
williamssl
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
quote:Originally posted by First 9
Silver Lining
We've been spared from Orton vs Corbin as a Main Event for the forseeable future.
Non-silver lining: 14-time world champion Randy Orton when he inevitably wins the belt back.
100000000000000000000000x this. Maybe a few more zeros.
Don't Mess With Texas
Flash
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:40 AM
Geez, looking over tonight's card gets me to wondering if we might be entering a new Canadian golden age of wrestling not seen since Jericho,
Edge, Christian, Benoit, Test, and Trish (and 50% of the Rock) were all heavily featured as almost every match had a Canuck in it (Dillinger, Breeze,
Zayn, Nattie, Owens, Mahal)
janerd75
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
Geez, looking over tonight's card gets me to wondering if we might be entering a new Canadian golden age of wrestling not seen since Jericho,
Edge, Christian, Benoit, Test, and Trish (and 50% of the Rock) were all heavily featured as almost every match had a Canuck in it (Dillinger, Breeze,
Zayn, Nattie, Owens, Mahal)
Uh, you can keep the homicidal maniac but no takebacksies on the Steen Machine, Mr. Hat. Soory not soory.
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
I do think the Jinder swerve is an Indian market play, but also I think they think the brown villain angle has legs in Trump's Muslim ban era.
Jinder's playing the prejudice card pretty consistently and that means it's deliberate from Vince. I think they hope political relevance
gets them some mainstream notice. They can't do the blatant stereotype heel anymore like the 80s, so they give the heels cover by having them
point out prejudice in the US (which does exist, but isn't ubiquitous) while being personally obnoxious (as seen in the segment last week on SD
when Orton called Jinder an ass.)
"I'm a team player."
the goon
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 06:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by OORick
To circle back around to my original point: unlike 2004, WWE didn't "need" Mahal to win tonight because they simply had no better options.
This is the deepest roster in the history of the company, and to randomly reach down and tell the fans this career scrubberoonie is the new WWE
Champion, instead of taking somebody the fans are already invested in and putting them in that slot, is sheer silliness.
This. You've got a Smackdown roster that has AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, Dolph Ziggler, Sami Zayn, and hell, even Baron Corbin.
But hey, let's make Jinder Mahal the WWE champion (while AJ and Owens fight over the secondary title).
Also, I can't wait for Jinder's original and groundbreaking promo on Tuesday about how we all doubted him because he's not American.
janerd75
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 07:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by OORick
quote:Originally posted by janerd75
Alright, The Rick, 'splain us outta this one.
Why am I on the hot seat?
[Analysis I requested.]
Rick
Because you're the Captain, savvy?
"It will happen when it happens and not a moment before." - Me
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 08:53 AM
The title change makes sense for one big reason....AJ and Nakamura for the title at Mania.
At least right now, that seems to be the plan. So you kind of need to keep them away from the main belt for a bit.
Jinder can have a rematch with Orton in June, beat Sami in July, and lose to AJ at SummerSlam...or to Cena if he's ready to return. Either guy
winning sets up a rematch in September, Owens in October, leading team SmackDown at Survivor series, Owens or Dolph in December, and finally AJ vs
Cena at the Rumble.
For Nakamura he can have feuds with Corbin, Owens, Sami, Orton, and Jinder to get to the Rumble where he either wins, or is featured for most of the
match. If Nakamura doesn't win the Rumble, he can win a #1 contender's match in Febuary to setup the Mania match with AJ.
Or...Jinder may just get over. And if he does...run with the guy until he gets stale. And then move on to setting things up for AJ vs Nakamura.
salmonjunkie
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 09:21 AM
Jinder won't be droppinv the title to Orton. It'll be to a returning Rusev. Jindermania vs Rusev Madness! The Mega Powers collide!
royberto
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 09:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by OORick
That lack of options does not exist here in 2017, so the 'splaination is that WWE is willing to shoot itself in the foot in order to "get" the
entire collection of fans who "knew" Jinder couldn't be WWE Champ. To quote James Ellsworth, DUH.
Or the far more likely 'splanation which is they are making a new show in India and are tapping into the India market big time. So,
they wanted a champ representing that market.
Your 'splanation is smarks flattering themselves.
PB-13
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 09:54 AM
Read results. No real inclination to watch the show. I like how the trolls are out in such force that I automatically have my guard up with regards
to any wrestling opinions.
-PB
RIP My Friend Mark, 1991-2016
CCharger
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 02:41 PM
I was rooting so hard for a Jinder win for reasons I expressed previously:
ABJECT CHAOS
Mahal may not be the world's best wrestler, but at least his win his different than what we're used to, and his remarkable rise from
jobber to world champion is intriguing. What's the alternative? Orton and Rusev trading the title back and forth all year? Fuck that noise. I
like my wrestling unpredictable.
I'm all in on Jin.
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted."
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--- Stephen Miller, Trump senior White House advisor, Feb. 12, 2017
gobbledygooker
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 03:10 PM
Double post. Carry-on.
[Edited on 5-22-2017 by gobbledygooker]
"Hulk Hogan have the sex with some dumb bitch on the TV. The girl smart if she make the $$ from his bald ass but she also desperate to have sex with
the howdy doody like Hulk Hogan. He worse than Mel Gibson and I think now %10000 he prove he have grasshopper dick and raisin balls." - The Iron
Sheik
gobbledygooker
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 04:02 PM
Pre-Jinder win, I couldn't help but think of the awesomeness that would arise if only the WWE would have taken my fantasy booking awesomeness
and had Orton turn heel to feud for the belt with AJ and then they could start a secondary feud with KO vs. Nakamura and the tag team fun that could
result in having AJ/Nakamura vs. Orton/KO.
And then Jinder won and derailed all of that thinking!
I'm still not mad at it, 12 hours later. And it looks like AJ/KO will be continuing for now given how that match ended, which I'm also
fine with. As someone mentioned above, HOPEFULLY the end game will somehow be AJ and Nakamura in the title picture come Summerslam and/or
WrestleMania so they can't be in any rush to get there.
Also - I don't normally watch Talking Smack or any of the post-PPV extra stuff on the Network but I happened to see Sami Zayn on the
post-Backlash thing last night and couldn't help but be saddened by his "Hey, nobody thought Mahal would be world champion six months ago and
there he is! And maybe nobody thinks Sami Zayn will be world champion in six months but you never know and that might be me in six months!" Keep
telling yourself that, Sami.
ETA - It will also be interesting seeing where Orton goes from here, after what I assume will be the obvious rematch. Which is the first time
I've used "Orton" and "interesting" in a sentence in, oh, about a year. So there's that.
[Edited on 5-22-2017 by gobbledygooker]
"Hulk Hogan have the sex with some dumb bitch on the TV. The girl smart if she make the $$ from his bald ass but she also desperate to have sex with
the howdy doody like Hulk Hogan. He worse than Mel Gibson and I think now %10000 he prove he have grasshopper dick and raisin balls." - The Iron
Sheik
Count Zero
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 07:37 PM
I'm sad that I didn't come up with this on my own, but we've got stand back and appreciate what the WWE has done.
They took a jobber, and gave him the title over one of their hand-picked & favorite guys. It's a real jinderella story.
salmonjunkie
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 07:45 PM
I LOL'd when Randy made that face.
salmonjunkie
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 07:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
It's a real jinderella story.
Count Zero
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 08:14 PM
I wish I could say I came up with that myself, but I stole it from Stugotz & Mike Ryan (The Dan LeBatard Radio Show). I'm surprised NONE of us
came up with it, as far as I can recall. Jeezus. It's so obvious that I completely missed it. I was caught up in Jindermania and
couldn't see the Taj Mahal of comedy right in front of my face.
"It's a WWE tradition, to do something un-right." --Paddlefoot
PB-13
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 08:23 PM
No idea who Becky pissed off, but I guess Naomi's lost too much lately while being the champion and Charlotte wasn't losing.
Aiden's drawing good heat with his opera singer gimmick. Needs the NXT touch of people throwing roses into the ring.
I miss squash matches. People should get at least a couple on TV to establish their movesets before they even touch competitive matches. Instead
Nakamura's main-roster debut is an even match with Ziggler(who had zero momentum) rather than him decimating some ham-and-egger with knees.
Hope for the best for both of Breezango.
Hate situations like Zayn-Corbin where both guys clearly need a win.
Guess Tye needed to change his finisher because Styles does the Death Valley Driver onto the knee?
[Edited on 5-22-2017 by PB-13]
-PB
RIP My Friend Mark, 1991-2016
Paddlefoot
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 09:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
They took a jobber, and gave him the title over one of their hand-picked & favorite guys. It's a real....... jinderella story.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
Chris Is Good517
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 10:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
Mahal may not be the world's best wrestler, but at least his win his different than what we're used to, and his remarkable rise from
jobber to world champion is intriguing. What's the alternative? Orton and Rusev trading the title back and forth all year? Fuck that noise. I
like my wrestling unpredictable.
I'm all in on Jin.
I'm with you dude. I've been snacking on angry smark outrage all day.
"UGH, RANDY ORTON IS BORING. WE WANT NEW STARS.
NO, NOT HIM."
Look, guys, Orton's run was tediously boring garbage. Between the WrestleMania LED match and the House of Horrors, he may have just endured one
of the most comically terrible title runs of all time. It had to end. I too can think of about a dozen guys who deserved an opportunity before
Jinder's name entered the conversation, but he's been getting legit heel heat and he's been running with the ball since they
handed it to him a few weeks ago. Worst case scenario, he has a short run and we put him down in the Jack Swagger "why was this guy ever a
champion?" tier. Best case scenario, we have a new star. Maybe it isn't someone we wanted but I'm going to give the dude a fair chance.
Monday Night Flaw, a podcast about professional wrestling starring OO's own
Figure Foreskin as Andy the Smarmy Host and Chris Is Good517 as Cousin Balki.
) and I'm still up an hour after it's over (
I requested.] 
