southermagu
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I don't know about anyone else, but it looks to me like Orton shifted his weight on the suplex.
They whole "fist pumping at Kennedy" thing makes it look like he did it on purpose to injure him.
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So Orton intentionally injured Kennedy putting his own health at risk doing so and then celebrated his success with a fist pump? That sounds pretty
silly, doesn't it?
I don't know. I'm gonna just assume the guy known for being sloppy and prone to injuring himself and others did what he does well. And
the guy known for anger issues and unprofessional behavior let his anger get the best of him and broke character. Seems more believable.
[Edited on 5-30-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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southermagu
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I don't know. That whole spot just looked weird.
As as risking your own health to be dick to another wrestler, Bob Holly did just that with Lesnar and got his neck broken.
It wouldn't be the first time someone was an idiot.
Add to that the fact that Kennedy came up lame from that and it doesn't look like they were cooperating.
On the other hand, maybe Kennedy pulled a move out of his ass and THAT'S why Orton wasn't prepared.....
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theflammablemanimal
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They'll probably let Orton take credit for putting him out of commission. I don't know how Lucky gets the exact clips he wants, but
Kennedy clearly grabs his wrist after being RKO'd by Orton. Orton cues that up on Raw, says he shattered Kennedy's wrist and ended his
career like he'll end Batista's, and Kennedy is never heard from again (except in TNA which doesn't exist in the WWE Universe)
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southermagu
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I've watched it a few more times, and it just looks like a fucked up spot by both guys.
None the less, I am very surprised they let Kennedy go this quick, but it may in fact just have to do with saving salary and letting him get well
healed.
I guess Regal is the only one who can stiff Randy on a suplex...
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
They'll probably let Orton take credit for putting him out of commission. I don't know how Lucky gets the exact clips he wants, but
Kennedy clearly grabs his wrist after being RKO'd by Orton. Orton cues that up on Raw, says he shattered Kennedy's wrist and ended his
career like he'll end Batista's, and Kennedy is never heard from again (except in TNA which doesn't exist in the WWE Universe)
Except that Kennedy clearly grabs his wrist after he fucked up that back body drop first. I'm incredibly drunk right now so I apologize if
I'm misreading your post, but it looks like you're trying really hard not to let the facts get in the way of a good story
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Except that Kennedy clearly grabs his wrist after he fucked up that back body drop first. I'm incredibly drunk right now so I apologize if
I'm misreading your post, but it looks like you're trying really hard not to let the facts get in the way of a good story
Yeah, and the WWE never let facts get in the way of their story. I'm not saying Kennedy didn't get hurt on that spot, but WWE could easily
edit it to make it look like he got hurt on the RKO and give Orton credit for taking him out.
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DrBoz
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Hell, Orton's reaction was basically a Fuck You to Kennedy anyway for giving him an ouchie. They could just spin it to be a "Fuck you I just
destroyed your wrist with my awesome counter move by shifting my body weight to land full force on your wrist, sacrificing life and limb to end your
career" or whatever.
I watched the clip a few times and I'm not sure who is at "fault" for whatever happened. Is it Kennedy's job to make sure Orton
doesn't land a certain way? Did he do something "off script" and that threw off Orton? Did Orton throw his weight too far back and end up
taking the bump improperly? That's what I can't really tell. I mean it's one thing if Kennedy performed a move improperly and put
Orton in jeopardy. It's another thing if Orton is just pissed that Kennedy performed a move that focused on a body part he'd hurt in the
past.
Incidentally, Orton is not exactly a pillar of strength with his body. How many months (years) has he lost since his debut because of injuries? His
first couple years he seemed to be hurt quite a bit.
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by DrBoz
I mean it's one thing if Kennedy performed a move improperly and put Orton in jeopardy. It's another thing if Orton is just pissed that
Kennedy performed a move that focused on a body part he'd hurt in the past.
Is it really? Certainly if you wrestle Steve Austin you should respect his neck issues and not do anything that could threaten him. If you wrestle
Victoria you don't hook on a figure four and work over her clearly bad knee. Orton missed time recently with an injury that stays pretty
vulnerable after surgery/rehab. Certainly knowing your opponents' injuries and avoiding potential injury is part of the wrestler's job
from where I stand.
And hey. Kennedy and Orton may have worked out the move before hand and Orton just reacted bad to a slightly botched execution. Maybe Orton fucked it
up himself and was just taking it out on him. But it seems pretty logical to just assume that the guy known for being clumsy and an injury risk did
something clumsy risked injury. Where as as much as a douche bag Orton may be known as we've certainly never known him to do something as
morally reprehensible as try to intentionally injure someone or contribute to getting them fired for no good reason.
quote:
Incidentally, Orton is not exactly a pillar of strength with his body. How many months (years) has he lost since his debut because of
injuries? His first couple years he seemed to be hurt quite a bit.
Does it really makes sense to make comparisons like this? Orton's had his share of injuries, sure, but he doesn't strike me as
particularly injury prone unless you go back 5 or 6 years to when he was more or less a rookie and before he became a star with Evolution.
That's the thing. All wrestlers have injuries. That's the nature of the business. But Kennedy? Whether its mental, physical, or just
shit luck it seems impossible to argue that by any definition he isn't about as injury prone as anyone there is in wrestling. Has he even been
healthy for more than a month or two since winning MitB 3 WMs ago?
I don't think its happened here but across the web I've seen a lot of people making a lot of injury comparisons to anyone from Orton to
Batista to Edge to HHH to even John Cena (he of the 1 injury in years of main eventing). It just seems a little silly. No matter how much talent
anyone may think Kennedy has or how anyone may feel about his release it seems hard to argue that he hasn't been a wreck health wise. And its
not old age forcing stuff or a nagging injury that keeps getting reaggravated. Its just Kennedy.
Which is why I won't say "TNA could be better for him due to its limited work schedule." Because, sure, less matches means less opportunity
to injure yourself. But at this stage Kennedy's shown its not wear and tear that is his problem. He can hurt a completely random body part at
any time, it seems. (Which of course is the case with anyone, but Kennedy seems to make it a greater habit than the average wrestler.)
[Edited on 5-31-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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Cordas
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Not sure Mr Kennedy has hurt his wrist or not....
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1005927487382
Looks like both his wrists are fine, I would suggest he is quite clearly *not* laying the blame anywhere for his firing...
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DrBoz
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Lucky, I might just be remembering Orton's early career wrong. I remembered him being hurt a lot. My point in making that statement is that,
if Kennedy were released due to injury proneness, I'd thought Orton had a similar history early on as well. But I definitely could be wrong in
his injury past. And the reality is that his injury history centers on shoulder/neck issues, so I agree that should be taken into account in the
context of being safe in a match.
Of course this is the same Orton who, weeks after injuring his collarbone, was then involved in a motorcycle accident. He a) made the decision,
while injured, to ride a motorcycle and b) was not a seasoned rider. Yes, this was his decision and is a completely different thing than
placing his health in someone else's hands (especially someone with the history of Kennedy), but I'm struggling to see how the move in
question is such a no-no, aside from the person who did it. It doesn't feel like the equivalent of giving a piledriver to Austin, but that
might be my own ignorance of the impact of certain moves on certain body parts.
Also, while I absolutely agree that Orton has no history of intentionally hurting someone in the ring, he is not exactly a saint. This is a guy who
has been discharged from the Marines for bad behavior (maybe even went AWOL at one point, although I can't remember). He's been suspended
in the past for unprofessional conduct and/or drug use. He's also been linked to the use of steroids and/or HGH in the past. Frankly, both
Orton and Kennedy strike me as similarly douchey. Orton just seems to be much less of a liability in the ring than Kennedy.
All that being said, I actually don't mind Orton that much. I just wish he'd walk faster. And while I like Kennedy as well, he's
been gone so much that I certainly won't miss him.
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright
Whatever you do Orton haters, don't blame Randy for this one!
Went back and watched the match earlier and now knowing what's happened since, I noticed that Orton bails out of the ring a couple of times. At
one point, Miz backs Kennedy into the corner, and as they are making the change in partners, Kennedy hits Orton in the face with a left elbow (the
kind that basketball players throw when the refs aren't looking ... I loved Dontonio Wingfield in his one season as a Bearcat). Orton then
falls outside and gets pissed. When Orton tags in (before the backdrop), he says something to Kennedy and then he tries to quick-pin him ... twice.
I wish we could have heard what was said but I'm thinking more and more that Orton got pissed at Kennedy over the whole match.
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quote:
Originally posted by DrBoz
This is a guy who has been discharged from the Marines for bad behavior (maybe even went AWOL at one point, although I can't remember).
He basically went crazy. Even tried to steal a penguin
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Am I the only one who thinks this has more to do with Kennedy being on two wellness strikes, a test on his first day back, and the three days it would
take to get the results?
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DrBoz
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quote:
Originally posted by borntorun
He basically went crazy. Even tried to steal a penguin
Haha, I totally forgot about that! My bad!
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quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
Am I the only one who thinks this has more to do with Kennedy being on two wellness strikes, a test on his first day back, and the three days it would
take to get the results?
If that's the case, then it was a very unintelligent decision on WWE's part to add him into the main
event mix just days prior to receiving his last-chance drug test, when they could have just waited one extra week to put him into the main event when
they would have been positive of his physical condition.
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But it would fit better with the "Kennedy's a dickhead when it comes to talking about drugs" pattern. He swears he's clean, then SI bust
him. He comes back, and gets busted again.
WWE quite possibly rushed his return due to the Nuggets hype (why is he jumping in Orton's business when they're still hyping
Orton/Batista?), so he wasn't clean, but was aware of this - so feigns injury at some point during the match just incase he goes bye-byes again.
He now has a strong point to distract everyone from the fact that he (along with Regal) has been skating on very thin ice for a long long time now.
If he isn't injured, (see video), then why else would they release him?
I seem to recall that they've announced wellness test failures recently - bet they don't have to (or won't) do it if the guy
isn't under contract anymore. JR said that he hopes to see Kennedy back within a year - 90 day no compete clause, then a new contract? Or will
he pull a Booker and go to the less invasive TNA?
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Cordas
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Maybe he has just had a run in with other talent....
Judging from the video he is saying quite clearly that he is fit and healthy, thus disproving one of the strongest rumours (damaged wrist). The fact
that he doesn't speak and his facial expressions are clearly those of someone *not* saying something, I doubt he would be stirring the pot in
this manner if he was fired over wellness issues.
Add in JR saying he hopes to see him back soon suggests to me that it might have been a personality clash with someone who doesn't want to work
with him and has used his clout with the back office to get him fired (wouldn't be the 1st time in wrestling that this has happened now would
it*). JR could be saying well he got fired for politics, give it a few months to blow over and then we will hire him back either on RAW or shove him
over to Smackdown.
* I ain't throwing allegations at Orton here, just commenting on the well documented history of this kind of power abuse by various cliques and
main eventers.
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LuckyLopez
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I do believe the Meltzers and Alvarez's of the world spent the weekend spinning tales that multiple main eventers complained about Kennedy and
didn't want to have to wrestle him, with Shawn Michaels right with Orton as top suspect.
My guess is Orton bitched, it was far from the first time an important guy bitched about Kennedy in the ring, and WWE decided that it wasn't
worth employing a guy who (a) has spent way more time on the DL than active roster the last few years, (b) is on two strikes, (c) has embarrassed them
publicly multiple times, (d) doesn't have a ton of value to TNA, and (e) has made a habit of pissing off his peers.
I mean, Kennedy may have had main event pontential but if half the main event roster doesn't want to wrestle him its kind of counter
productive.
Of course that's all going based off of rumor and innuendo. I'm still betting on him groping a McMahon. But I'm changing my pick
to Aurora Rose.
EDIT:
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/2584.html
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source: www.f4wonline.com
The word on Mr. Kennedy's surprising release from World Wrestling Entertainment Friday night is that almost injuring Randy Orton as well as
himself during his match on Raw last week was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Kennedy made his return to Raw on Monday night after a ten month hiatus rehabbing a badly injured shoulder. As bad luck would have it, Kennedy ended
up injuring his wrist after taking the RKO from Orton. More seriously in the eyes of management, Orton nearly re-injured his bad shoulder as a result
of an errant back suplex on the part of Kennedy, who dropped him on his shoulder rather than his back. This happened to be the same area where he
broke his collarbone exactly one year ago today at the One Night Stand pay-per-view, resulting in a several month absence from the ring. Orton was
visibly upset as he quickly slapped Kennedy on the back of the head (actually barely missed) and started pounding his fist on the mat before finally
selling the maneuver.
While Kennedy suffered an injury to his wrist as a result of an RKO from Orton, it wasn't believed to be serious.
Following the show, Orton and Kennedy had words backstage, although it was not heated. Very calmly, Orton dressed him down, telling him he needed to
be more careful so he wouldn't injure anyone else in the ring.
Internally, many are singling out Kennedy's sloppy maneuver on Orton as the final straw and caused Vince McMahon, following several attempts
over the years to push him, and numerous untimely setbacks, to finally make the decision to part ways with him.
[Edited on 6-1-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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The way that reads is that he was fired for one botched move. If it was part of a pattern or larger issue, I could see the reason for firing him, but
if it was just one mistake on Kennedy's part, then I'm confused.
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LuckyLopez
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It doesn't read that way to me at all.
quote:
Internally, many are singling out Kennedy's sloppy maneuver on Orton as the final straw and caused Vince McMahon, following several
attempts over the years to push him, and numerous untimely setbacks, to finally make the decision to part ways with him.
Obviously there's a lot missing from that interpretation but it more or less backs the basic idea of what we've been saying. "Enough is
enough." Whether it was injuries, stupid behavior, sloppiness, Wellness violations, or some character trait we don't even know about...
Kennedy's been a giant flop for 2-3 years. And it makes it sound like pissing off Orton by fucking up a move and nearly injuring him was just
the final thing that made WWE give up on him.
Its like Imus being kicked off the air or a manager being fired after a loss. They're not being fired over "one thing" they said or "one
game" they lost. They get fired because their bosses just grew tired of the headaches and problems that employing them guaranteed. They finally
decided that Kennedy was more trouble than he's worth, right or wrong.
Again, the weird thing about this is that WWE went from "contender to our top title" to "more trouble than he's worth" in the course of a
couple of days. But really, that sort of bipolar thinking and lack of planning has become pretty common for WWE.
[Edited on 6-1-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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quote:
Originally posted by The Riot Act
The way that reads is that he was fired for one botched move. If it was part of a pattern or larger issue, I could see the reason for firing him, but
if it was just one mistake on Kennedy's part, then I'm confused.
I'm wondering if the WWE felt Kennedy was to blame for Cena's arm injury in Fall 2007 (during a match on Raw, a week before the October
PPV). If so, having a rep of injuring/nearly injuring main eventers probably isn't a good thing.
How many wellness strikes did Kennedy have against him? I seem to remember only one, but I think a few people have said he had two. He had the
infamous one after proclaiming to be clean. When was the other one?
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If nearly causing an injury to Orton costs someone their job then to me it's kind of frightening to have to accept that Orton now really does
has that much stroke in WWE. I'm not going to stick up for Kennedy for all the reasons that have already been posted here. Aside from the early
days of the "Kennedy......Kennedy" thing and some appreciable ability on the mic the guy is mostly kind of generic. I'm not even going to say
that Orton would have been a major dick for bitching up a storm to Vince about Kennedy going after his often-injured shoulder/collarbone area. It just
kind of freaks me out a bit that by having the boss's ear in such a manner, Orton's now in the WWE stratosphere and can now push things
politically in way that was previously restricted to the McMahons, HHH, HBK, and maybe 'Taker. It just kind of leaves me cold that someone like
Orton who's still a total douche, and will inevitably show it again someday in another spectacularly stupid incident of his own, has that kind
of power within a company. This thread probably wouldn't even exist if Kennedy had only injured himself or had nearly taken out
Cody/Ted/Miz/whoever else.
It must be that because I still see Orton as so inherently valueless on almost all levels that I'm stunned/appalled/twitterpated at the concept
that someone not me (i.e., his current employer) looks at him as an untouchable thoroughbred. Such is the danger of indulging for too long in my own
personal biases against certain performers I suppose.
(FIXED for typos, etc.)
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The Riot Act
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
The funny thing is my very first thought was to go run to that thread and see if he was on whyme's list. Poor guy. Poor guy and his horrible,
horrible list.
I can't find whyme's list either here or at Pun's.
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LuckyLopez
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