DevilSoprano
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Okay, you people are insane. And I even thought it was a better than average Raw. So I suppose if we're rating it on a scale it's a 4.5 or
4.6 based on the last 6 months or so, but on a general wrestling scale this was no better than a simple 2.5 show. Solid TV style match, typical
advancement of angles, and just a totally overall meh show. Which is a TON better than it has been, but still not a good show by any stretch.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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No way Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon will be a singles match. Bret was walking gingerly out there tonight - he can't take bumps anymore. I think
Vince backing out of agreeing will lay the groundwork to set-up Cena/Hart vs Batista/McMahon.
It will never happen, but if the wanted to turn Cena heel they could have him in cahoots with Vince.
So all current ECW talent are free agents in two weeks? I assume most will stay and sign with NXT. I hope they give reason for the vets to stay there
so it isn't just assumed they know they suck and can't compete on the other brands. Christian and Benjamin should surely leave, however
Regal, Goldust, Ryder, Archer and the rest should probably stay. I could see Kovlov heading to Raw to be paired up with Santino if their sitcom is
still in the works.
Three-way tag match is certainly not how I would have booked it. What is the wwe's infatuation with Jared. Must be a sponsorship thing.
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Chris Is Good517
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Hot damn, that was the closest Raw has come to hitting a home run in a very long time. I'm very comfortable giving it a 4.0 and a great
big "atta boy" because top to bottom that's the most I can remember enjoying a night of wrestling in years. It was like the perfect blend of
good wrestling and good storytelling and I'm officially interested in both WrestleMania and the remainder of the build to it.
Carl Edwards was actually one of the better hosts they've had, I thought; and he was definitely miles and miles ahead of those other mongoloid
NASCAR guys from the last time.
Seeing Christian on Raw was a really nice surprise, good promo, and Sheamus' best match yet where he got to go over strong without doing any
serious damage to Christian. Here's hoping maybe Christian moves with Raw after the ECW finale.
The tag title match was also very good from the match itself to both the pre and post-match shenanigans. CM Punk's deadpan delivery of "bring
me Jared the Subway guy" was hilarious, the match was exciting, and I have no issue with ShowMiz winning the belts as I enjoy Punk and Miz pretty
equally and was able to see the benefits of either team going over.
Did HBK superkick Teddy or Carlito? I know we're supposed to think he kicked Teddy but it sure as hell looked like Carlito took that hit.
Gail vs. Jillian was too short to bother me, and Maryse is getting better and better at talking. I also enjoyed the "vintage nerd" line, although
the meme is getting kind of old now since we've all known Cole is an annoying little catchphrase-spouting suck-ass for years before WWE finally
figured it out.
DiBiase Sr. getting inducted into the HoF? That works, and that old footage made me misty-eyed for the old days.
I rolled my eyes at the Springer bit but I decided not to let the dread of what next week might bring ruin how good tonight's show had been up
to that point, so I didn't let it bother me.
Cody vs. Orton might have annoyed me if it had gone on longer than three minutes, but it didn't and I have to say that all this dissention among
Legacy is the most interesting thing that they've done. When Sheamus came out and attacked Orton I was positive Cody and Sheamus were in
cahoots, especially when Cody came in with the chair, but maybe not? Anyway, it was nice to get to see the actual champion twice in one show for a
change and Cody going over Orton is intriguing.
Sure, I might have been annoyed at Cena immasculating Teddy Jr. but when it led to the best promo I can remember Cena or McMahon doing in
forever I can overlook it. Seriously, I don't know if I was just in a good mood or those guys were really on point or if I just care that much
about Bret or what but I enjoyed the hell out of that promo and the subsequent Bret appearance, even if Bret did look a little old and sad, nearly
killing himself while destroying the Raw set.
More shows like this one, please.
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DevilSoprano
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I should probably stop reading/commenting in the wrestling threads because I just don't get it or see it. How is this show anything above
average?
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the goon
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I think the most awesome/surreal line uttered in the history of wrestling is when CM Punk said "Luke, Serena...go get me Jared from Subway."
Good show tonight. I thought the second hour wasn't as good as the first, but overall an entertaining outing and I think the WWE is benefiting
from their usual "Road To WrestleMania" stretch, as both Smackdown and RAW have kept me entertained the past few weeks.
Good opening segment and I thought Christian was a nice surprise. I was really enjoying his match with Sheamus until the ending kind of came from out
of nowhere. I don't really have a problem with Sheamus going over, but it seemed like Christian was in control for most of the match and then
Sheamus just hit the big boot and his finisher (what's it called again?) and it was over. The crowd seemed pretty deflated by the finish as
well.
I really dug the triple threat match, but I was disappointed to see Punk/Gallows go out first. I thought they had a legit shot to win the belts (since
Punk on RAW and Smackdown would be awesome) and was actually kind of surprised to see Show and Miz pick up the belts. And Miz is really getting quite
the push now, getting to carry three belts around.
And I'm looking forward to some kind of confrontation between Show-Miz and Jericho on Smackdown. If we were in some kind of alternate Bizarro
world where Jericho was a face, him teaming back up with Edge to take on those two would be pretty awesome.
I loved the stuff with Michaels after the match. This appears to be heading to a full heel turn for him (maybe costing Taker the title at EC is the
final straw?) and I'm all for it. At this point it almost seems like Triple H/Michaels could be plausible for WrestleMania, but I assume the
plan is still for Taker/Michaels to happen.
Maryse's dress was fucking great.
Pretty surprising to see Cody go over Orton. God, I hope Cody isn't getting a push.
I liked the main event segment, though it was maybe a tad overlong (and did we really need to see the Bret/Vince segment from last week again?)
Bret coming out was a nice surprise, as I really wasn't sure if he would be there. Though I agree with C.MontgomeryPunk, I can't see Bret
wrestling a match against Vince. He looked kind of awkward just throwing punches at the security guards. I assume we'll either get Bret/Cena vs.
Vince/Batista or just Cena/Batista one on one with Bret/Vince in their respective corners.
All in all, good RAW tonight. Two good matches in the first hour, nothing offensively bad (well, the Diva's match kind of sucked, mainly because
it was so short) and storylines that are gonna keep me tuning in. I'll go 3.1.
EDIT: I forgot to add that Michaels not doing the kip up because of what happened last week was fucking awesome. It's reasons like that that
Michaels is still the man.
[Edited on 2-9-2010 by the goon]
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
I should probably stop reading/commenting in the wrestling threads because I just don't get it or see it. How is this show anything above
average?
I don't know, man. Tell me, what's it like to hate everything?
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TommyD420
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Sheamus/Christian was ok.
Tag match was decent-to-pretty good.
Women's match was a pointless squash.
Both Rhodes and DiBiase were involved in matches that were just angles to advance other people.
Bret/Vince. Combined age? 116. Couldn't care less.
Cena/Batista - I care even less about this.
DX/Shawn - And this I care the least about.
Show didn't do anything particularly wrong, and it was pretty well-paced for a change. My score: 2.5
These scores of 4.5 and higher? I have absolutely no clue where they're coming from. That means tonight's show was in the top 10% of
wrestling shows you've ever seen, ever.
There weren't any particular problems with tonight's show, and I didn't want to cut my wrists open just to know I was still alive in
the middle.
Yes, that's a good thing for RAW these days. I was kind of entertained, and there was some wrestling action for a change.
It wasn't in the top 50% of wrestling shows I've ever seen, never mind top 10%.
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LuckyLopez
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I didn't love the show but I get why others did. "Road to Wrestlemania" euphoria, DX stuff, Miz markdom, Bret markdom, Dibiase markdom,
Christian, Sheamus looking good for once, Legacy going somewhere, no Diva crappiness to speak of, the midget did virtually nothing, the host did the
bare minimum. I certainly understand why people who aren't just completely apathetic to WWE like I am would walk away from this show with a lot
of positive to say.
For me it was a show that never really lost my attention, which is a genuine rarity for WWE these days. That certainly speaks very highly of the
show.
4.5s and 4.6s still feel really high to me but wrestling is largely emotional and subjective.
EDIT: And as I've said before, I don't see regarding the ratings as "Top X% of shows ever" to be terribly practical or realistic.
[Edited on 2-9-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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DevilSoprano
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That's my point. I didn't even hate this Raw. It was okay, not bad by any stretch but it was nowhere near a great show.
Anything above 3.5 tells me that it was a very good - great show and I just don't see that at all. Just as if anything under a 2.0 would tell me
it was a very bad - horrible show. This was neither. Some okayish matches with the triple threat tag and Christian/Sheamus even if I disagreed with
both winners. But the matches were okay. Again, not very good or great, but not jokes either. And the divas match was kept at the perfect 45 second
length. Punk had a great line. Cena cut a better than normal promo but he still delved into his horrible yelling for moments.
Again, not a bad show by any stretch. And if we're rating Raw on a scale of the past 6 months, maybe I can even see 4.0 ratings. But I
didn't know we were doing that. I thought we were trying to rate the show on the merits of what was on and I just can't see how this is
one of the best Raws you guys have seen in years. It was an okay show. 2.5-3.0 makes sense to me.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
I just can't see how this is one of the best Raws you guys have seen in years. It was an okay show.
Maybe you could post that same opinion 3 more times.
Did you think it was "just okay"? Do you not see how some of the rest of us really liked it? Because you certainly haven't made that sentiment
perfectly clear in any of your first trifecta of posts, including the second one where you threw yourself up on a cross of "maybe I should just stop
talking about wrestling with you guys because we disagree about opinions".
Look man, I'm not trying to jump your case, but for Christ's sakes, we fucking get that you thought it was average. The majority of us
thought it was "very good" to "fuck yeah!". Just because you didn't see it doesn't make us wrong and it certainly doesn't
elicit that self-martyrdom reaction of "Well guys, looks like we just don't see eye to eye enough for me to keep posting around here" *puts
hands in pockets and slowly shuffles away*
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OORick
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The mid-4 ratings seem, ummmm, hyperbolic. But after I gave a mid-3 last week, I'm game for a high-3 this week.
I can't say I was "swerved" by Bret coming out at the end... too much of my Smark Brain was still functioning at that point, and KNEW that you
don't short-change a well-hyped tag title match *AND* Michaels' semi-heel turn by putting it mid-show if you don't have a pay-off to
that segment.
The Hitman was the only adequate pay-off. And voila: there he was. As it almost needed to be, otherwise, I might have flip-flopped my ass off and
given this show a mid-2 rating.
Cena as Bret's mouthpiece ain't a bad idea so far. Bret's done great on the promo material he's had that's been "real"
so far, but gone in the shitter on more of the ham-handed scripted stuff where you could tell he was trying to remember lines (which isn't
really surprising given his past as a sub-par "character"). It's even a bit eerie: Cena speaking for Bret has made me appreciate when *he* is
on his promo game, too. Two weeks ago: he owned Vince in a "real" promo. Tonight, his first half was terrible (with his affected fake-angry street
voice, mostly directed at Batista), but his second half (a bit more calm and directed at Vince) was damned good, save a few shitty one-liners.
I think melding those two feuds will end up being a surprising highlight of WM26. I mean, obviously, after tonight, nobody can really be thinking
Bret's gonna be able to hold up his end in an actual one-on-one match, right? Tag match, or highly-active-corner-men SES (sports entertainment
segment). Either or. But it'll click.
Nice opening bit with Christian. But he's not Edge's brother anymore? Not even in storylines where it would suit the storyline to throw
that in? Oh well... I'm thinking he fits better on SD, anyway, where he can frolic with Edge and Jericho and Punk.
About the above ECW/NXT discussion: when did Ryder and Archer ever do anything to be tossed into the same "veteran" hat as Christian, Regal,
Goldust, and Shelton? Those two stay in the NXT oven and keep on baking until one of them is finished cooking, and the other gets future endeavored;
and yes, we all know which is which.
Agree with Christian and Shelton moving on to bigger and better, though. Agree on Regal staying (since he's an oddball "mentor" type who can
still fit in with a young cast, and do some managing, while also wrestling key matches). Agree on Kozlov to RAW if there's any hint of
Santino's thingie being anything more than a dot-com webcast; and even if that's all it is? Hell, Kozlov was at his best as the
uber-likeable/it-having "double-double-E" dork 3 years ago, so going to the "entertainment-y" show may not be a bad idea. Disagree strongly on
Goldust staying on NXT; he's too good (and his goofy character too valuable, especially if you started interacting him with Guest Hosts on RAW)
to stay there with an over-powering gimmick with generic douches trying to break out and get noticed.
Wow: I made an offhand joke in the above preview about them milking Gail/Maryse while doing crap-ass segments and Maryse pretending to be polite, but
then being bitchy in French, as if nobody would ever suspect her of being bitchy. Whee? Also, for the second week in a row, I consulted OOfficial
French Bi-Linguist Erin Anderson about this issue, and she assures me that Maryse's hidden promo translates to "What the fuck is wrong with
you, I have better things to do than to watch wrestling and help you scoop Keller, you dicklicker." Wow: I don't know what Gail ever did to
Maryse, but that's a pretty brutal verbal smackdown!
I'd say the wrong team won the tag titles, but after rolling it around in my brain all afternoon, it really did amount to a toss-up for me. Punk
is so red-hot right now that maybe you just don't fuck with success. Miz (even with a singles title) is the opposite, and has entered
wheel-spinning phase the past month or two, so this re-energizes him due to: (a) solid interactions with his partner, who he is using/abusing THE
EXACT SAME WAY as Show's old partner did, and (b) having to visit SD regularly, where both Show *and* Miz's old partners are hanging out,
leading to potentially awesome interactions.
If somebody hasn't already booked a throw-away 20 minute Friday Night Delight featuring Jericho/Morrison vs. Show/Miz, with all sorts of
schmozzy in-fighty elements, then WWE are retarded.
Also: ShowMiz. I'll endorse it. I didn't invent it, like I did JeriShow (or at least, I beat the internet to it, so far as I know), but
I'll endorse it. Doubly so since Show insisted upon it, and Miz demured faster than you could blink. Perfect amplification/semi-reversal of the
Show/Jericho dynamic: Show learned. Show adapted. Show makes little man his bitch. Nice.
Santino's new shirt may become the first new wrestling shirt I wear since 2004. I actually PAID FOR my own Kaientai/EVIL shirt in '04, and
still wear it today. Since then, I've been given almost a dozen freebies of the newer shirts, as will happen to any internet semi-star when he
makes his backstage rounds, and I cannot wear that shit in public. Not a one of them.
"Beware the Cobra," however? Yeah, that's a definite maybe. Especially if I didn't have to pay for it.
3.7.
Rick
EDITED TO ADD: in the time I took typing that, two other people latched onto Punk's perfectly-delivered line, "Luke, Serena: bring me Jared
from Subway." True story: when he delivered it, my real-time Guest Commentary From The Couch was "Wow. There's a sentence that has never been
uttered before in the history of the English language." Said commentary was met with only tepid chuckles. D'oh. I'm glad I'm not
the only one who was thinking along those lines. It was almost Jabba-esque in its own "Bring the Wookie Chewbacca to Me" sort of way. Diabolical.
And awesome.
[Edited on 2-9-2010 by OORick]
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Devineman
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A 'cornerman' WM with Hart/McMahon would suck.
It would basically blow the most legitimate feud in recent WWE history and turn it into the McMahon/Trump match again.
The way they are currently playing it out, with Cena hyping the whole 'old school respect' thing works with a straight match.
All that needs to really happen, is to put Hart and McMahon in a prerecorded street match for 5 minutes or so and let us watch Bret beat the toffee
out of Vince. They could go all out and drag the match on by using the garage gimmicks or whatever, but the main point stands that I'll buy WM
purely to see Bret KILL McMahon.
Putting him in the corner of something with a one punch layout at the end would be a huge anti-climax to what they could possibly do with it.
Surely, even somebody in the state of Bret could swing a few chairs and Kendo sticks? We aren't talking about a full on 5 star classic here no
matter what, so why bother with the formalities of the live event, and get most of it on tape, then have them finish in the ring. That means about 60
seconds of work for Bret on the actual night.
I can also see HBK jumping Bret in some sort of agreement with McMahon to trade him to SD, as part of his heel turn.
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OORick
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This ends with Vince in a Sharpshooter, tapping out for real, and even if a bell rings, it doesn't get released, because this ain't no
pre-scripted horseshit Sharpshooter. This one's for REALZ, bitches~!
That's all I need for happiness and closure.
And it doesn't have to be a one-on-one match for that. After seeing tonight what Bret's physicality level really is at this point:
I'm probably fine saying I don't even WANT it to be a one-on-one.
A cornermen sports entertainment segment -- along the lines of Vince/Trump or Jericho/Rourke -- would probably be a bit thin, but it'd get the
job done if that's all Bret can do. The tag match really is the one I'm hoping for, though... Cena could even be the ULTIMATE Ricky
Morton, milking the babyface-in-peril out of a sense of etiquette as he tries to "protect" Bret, then all Bret has to do is tag in at the perfect
moment, do 90 killer seconds of heat sequence, maybe a bit longer for a Pier Four Brawl/Schmozz, and then hit the finish: Bret over Vince, leaving
Cena/Batista to settle up another day.
It's almost perfect, if you do it that way.
BTW: can't believe I didn't think of this till now, but... how about Michaels going batshit on SD this week, but Teddy keeps saying he
can't do anything as far as trades go.... but then Vince shows up (or passes a message along through his surrogate, Vickie Guerrero) that says
HBK *is* traded to SD. And in return, RAW is getting Batista. *da da ddduuuuuuuuummmmmm*
Cena/Batista is on for real. HBK can punk out R-Truth and get in the Chamber to set up SD's WM26 matches (Michaels/Taker non-title, Edge/Jericho
for the title, is my idea). Then Taker goes away to have major joint replacement surgery and Shawn turns back babyface, and I'd give a limb for
an extended Punk/Michaels feud with full Jesus vs. Jesus overtones in play. NEE HAW~!
Works for me. Now, just make sure it works for Shawn and his "I can't work Tuesday nights because it makes the Baby Jesus cry" routine....
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
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Psycho Penguin
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I don't understand why so many people are so offended by a score of 4-4.6 for this show. What do you guys expect from RAW exactly? This had a
pretty good Christian/Sheamus opener that hit on several bullet points and FINALLY did what you all have been complaining about every week and
that's give Sheamus a credible win without making Christian look bad. This had a great and long triple threat elimination match for the tag
titles that continued a few different angles and gave us a fresh new tag team to support as champs. This advanced the main event angle without one of
the main players in it. They advanced SEVERAL storylines tonight - DX implosion, Bret/Vince/Cena/Batista, Miz/Big Show as a team, Sheamus fighting for
respect, the Legacy implosion that's going better than I expected, the woman's title match, even Santino/Swagger got a mention and slight
build, pretty much nothing was ignored except MVP. The only bad point was a harmless womans match that lasted, what a minute, and had Maryse on
commentary. The guest host seemed happy to be there, didn't fuck anything up, they built to next week's RAW well, and Jared from Subway
even made a non-useless appearance. Everything just felt different and fresh.. and the road to WM is unpredictable and makes for some compelling TV.
Everything flowed well, was entertaining, and never a dull moment. This would be a 4.5 show even if RA Wwas good every week. Please, oh dear fantasy
bookers, tell me how to make RAW a 5.0 show, and please don't include the words 'Evan Bourne' in the post please.
quote:
Nice opening bit with Christian. But he's not Edge's brother anymore? Not even in storylines where it would suit the storyline to
throw that in? Oh well... I'm thinking he fits better on SD, anyway, where he can frolic with Edge and Jericho and Punk.
About the above ECW/NXT discussion: when did Ryder and Archer ever do anything to be tossed into the same "veteran" hat as Christian, Regal,
Goldust, and Shelton? Those two stay in the NXT oven and keep on baking until one of them is finished cooking, and the other gets future endeavored;
and yes, we all know which is which.
Edge and Christian haven't been storyline brothers in like.. five years, since that tag match where JR referred to them as 'good
friends'. I believe you even spent an entire paragraph ranting about THE LACK OF CONTINUITY in a column back then. I'm guessing a RAW in
mid 2004, but might have been 2005.
Every wrestler in ECW is a free agent but obviously some will 'decide' to stay in NXT to get some seasoning or they get the best offer
there or think the best opportunity for themselves is there, obviously. I do see the main guys like Christian, Regal, Zeke, and maybe even Ryder
leaving, but not guys like Croft/Baretta and Archer. That'd be lunacy and would leave very little to work with in NXT.
[Edited on 2-9-2010 by Psycho Penguin]
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gobbledygooker
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To quote The Simpsons regarding Jared from Subway -
"He used to be fat, now he's just ugly."
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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DrBoz
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Just a few thoughts before I go out in this latest blizzard:
- Glad to see my prediction came true that Carl Edwards would be 900x better than Goofus and Goofus from a few months ago.
- Overall good show with decent matches and nothing even remotely awful, at least from my perspective.
- I understand the mixed voting on the show. I think there are two camps here (way more actually, but two in general). The first is looking at RAW
in the context of all RAW's ever and saying "That wasn't SO special." It's not that this camp thinks it was awful (well, except
for Moose who is in his own camp, but even HE didn't give his usual 0.0 this week), it's just that the memories of the glory years makes
it difficult to view last night as one of the best RAW's ever.
The second camp is generally looking at RAW in the context of the past few years of shit we've been presented. From that point of view, 4.5
is not surprising at all. Hell, 4.8 is even reasonable in my opinion. I think this group is just so excited to have a decent show that didn't
suck that the ratings become inflated. There are some people that appear to truly believe this was a great effort, and has been said before, everyone
is allowed to have their own opinion. No opinion is wrong.
I think I'm somewhere in the middle. I recognize this was a pretty dang good show for the RAW of today. I also remember there was a time
where this kind of show would've been viewed as a "solid" week but not memorable beyond the next month. So for me, I'd go with a
3.4. I generally enjoyed myself, but I think the only reason this show might be memorable and special is because so many shows in the past few
years have been bad.
- Miz IS awesome. He is the best partner for Show. I know plenty of people love Jericho, but his act has grown very blah to me. Miz feels a lot
more energetic, exciting, and face-slappable. When I see/hear Miz, I want someone to kick his ass. When I see/hear Jericho, I hear Charlie
Brown's teacher. I also enjoy the name ShowMiz. A lot.
- Still don't like Maryse. Sorry. I really have no interest now since I found that GLOW video with that Heavy Metal blonde chick.
- Don't know if this was mentioned, but Carl Edwards also advertises for Subway (I'd imagine his car is sponsored at least in part by
them), so that might explain Jared being there too. I would've KILLED to see the SES shave Jared, but then he would just be ugly and bald too.
On second thought, his hair sucks anyway. He shoulda took a hit for the team on that one.
- Never mind about the initial rating. I'm going with 0.0 because Carl Edwards stayed fully clothed. I was kind of hoping to see him
and Cena in a tag match where they both took off their shirts in unison to the collective squeeeeeeeee of young girls (and twinks). Carl almost looks
like he could be Cena's little brother or something. Yes, I know I am obsessed with Carl. Deal with it!
- One last thing about the ratings. I'm wondering if the show seemed more exciting to some because of the crowd. They were REALLY into it much
of the night. A good crowd always makes a show feel more exciting in my opinion. WWE lucked out being in Louisiana last night. That might explain a
bit of the bump in some ratings.
"I guess my heaviest experience is gravity...keeps my feet down...it's like weighing me down...I can't get my arms up now...like my legs
fall...I'm falling down and I can't...it's making me heavier...I'm heavier...I can't move...Now I'm a dead dog in
water...I can't...I'm floating but I sink to the water...I'm a wet sandwich...wet with meat...I'm broken salami...tiny
mustaches are heavy...I'm falling...."
- Chester from Sifl and Olly
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Columbo
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I was quite enjoying Raw last night Christian-Sheamus was good, Nascar guy wasn�t too horrible and CM Punk is amazing. Then right before the tag
title match POW the cable went out for the 5th time since Saturday stupid fucking blizzards and stupid fucking Comcast!!!
Narrator: Tobias listens to a day's worth of his own words, to see what Michael was referring to...
Tobias F�nke: [on tape] ... even if it means me taking a chubby, I will suck it up.
Tobias F�nke: Nothing wrong with that.
Tobias F�nke: [on tape] Oh, I've been in the film business for a while, but I just can't seem to get one in the can.
Tobias F�nke: It's out of context.
Tobias F�nke: [on tape] I wouldn't mind kissing that man between the cheeks.
Narrator: ...and he realized there is something distinct about the way he speaks.
Tobias F�nke: Tobias, you blowhard.
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ashleyschafferbmw
ButtViper
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Very good show ...
Sheamus finally gets a clean win against a quality opponent - that's his first as Champ that I can recall (Evan Bourne does not count!)
I really think Sheamus has to win the Chamber match - if he drops the strap in 2 weeks, the last 3 months of build up/title run with him would be a
waste - because unless he gets a few decent wins under his belt - once he loses the belt he'll drop very fast to mid card status and never come
back
Christian teasing a RAW return was nice - so everyone in ECW is a FA in 2 weeks?, I wonder if this includes the younger stars that have been on the
show for a while now (Yoshii, Archer, Ryder, etc ...) or will they remain in NXT as the headliners until we get to know some of the FCW talent
Was very excited for tag match - I like the elimination style matches better than the first one to get pin wins, but that's my personal
opinion
Punk's line of "go get me Jared from Subway" was very funny
Only problem I had with the tag match was the commercial break right when the match started - and when we get back from the break the SES is pinned
and eliminated in about 1 minute (boo!)
ShowMiz! awesome!!! So happy to see that the end of DX is so close
HBK's tail spin into the obsessive border line insane HBK is great - Sweet Chin Music to Teddy Long! Didn't see that coming!
Rhodes/Orton - is Cody in cahoots with Sheamus? I can see Rhodes helping Sheamus wins the Elimination Chamber - which would kill 2 birds with one
stone - Orton turns face (the crowds have been popping for him lately, his time as Super-Heel are over for now) and sets up a Triple Threat Match at
WM (Orton v. Rhodes v. Dibiase)
Diva match - more specifically Maryse's commentary was good, but too short - Cole had to cut her off mid sentance because the match ended very
abruptly
Cena / Dibiase no contest - I would have liked to hear Dibiase announced as the winner by DQ, thus adding a bit more fuel to the heat with Rhodes
(Told you I'm better than you, I beat Cena you didn't)
Cartoon Vince makes me laugh - call me a slappy - but his strut and facial expressions are priceless - "Personally I don't like you John, but
business wise I love you!" great line
Conversely super-serious Cena comes off as super-cheesy to me - I really don't enjoy his promos when his voice changes to the "I'm
yelling because this is serious" voice
Brett coming out was great - although I can't see him in a match (that piece of A/V equipment nearly took him out for good!) -I'd like to
see Brett invade SD this week too, and start ripping up the set for that show too!
At WM I don't think we'll even see a tag match - I think we are destined to see Cena v. Bats with Brett & Vince in their respective
corners, with some stipulation - like winner gets the loser alone & handcuffed in the ring for 5 minutes, and we get to see Brett unload on Vince for
5 straight minutes with chair shots and hockey punches and finishing it up with Vince bent backwards in the sharp shooter
High Points -
HBK = Crazy
Brett destroys set of RAW
ShowMiz wins!
Legacy implosion
Sheamus with a clean win (WWE realizing that the CHAMP has to be able to win matches to legitimize himself)
Low Points -
Not enough SES in ring
Maryse's commentary getting cut short
No MVP, Swagger, Bourne, Mark Henry, only a quick shot of Carlito back stage - so once the ECW free agents get picked up by RAW - I suppose we will
see even less of these mid carders - which is a bit of a shame because everyone except Henry can put on an entertaining match
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the goon
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
Doubly so since Show insisted upon it, and Miz demured faster than you could blink. Perfect amplification/semi-reversal of the Show/Jericho dynamic:
Show learned. Show adapted. Show makes little man his bitch. Nice.
I forgot to mention that in my first post, but I'm hoping they keep the ball rolling with that dynamic. I would love it if Miz acted all cocky,
but anytime the Big Show told him to do something or made a suggestion, he immediately folded and did whatever Show says. Kind of like if Miz acted
like he was the leader of the team, but Show is the one really in charge.
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S Kid J E T S 48
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Considering there was a stretch of weeks from like...October-December where people would give pre-show rants then give pre-show 1.0s and 0.0s, or say
something to the effect of "Hornswoggle was on tv for more than a minute, 0.5 for the show", I find it strange people even bother to complain when
the ratings go the other way in an extreme way. The ratings are for however a person feels like rating a show. There doesn't seem to be any
sort of guideline that anyone actually follows (I know one exists and have read it - doesn't seem to matter a lot of the time). Until ratings
are actually tabulated and recorded and analyzed, there's no reason for anyone to really get banged up about anyone's ratings.
Raw gets over a 3.0 because the show was tight the whole way with action.
It gets over a 4.0 because it took nothing off the table during the 2 hours.
It gets over a 4.5 because it gave us tons of change that put new stuff on the table.
We had a title change, a probable heel turn for a major star that many felt could never happen again, Legacy imploding in a slow but moving storyline,
Santino's new shirt, Christian showing up and-, in turn helping Sheamus get his first big victory (that he should have gotten at RR, but fine),
the Champ comes back later in the program to show he hasn't forgotten about Orton, great elimination tag match (only qualm for the entire night
being that they didn't need to have Punk/Gallows lose and just not do the elimination gimmick), fake kip ups, Maryse....just Maryse, Cena having
another great promo, and Bret coming for revenge.
There's a lot to be excited for, and there weren't any letdowns. I stand by my (whatever it means) 4.6.
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Frank Lloyd Wright
Showstopper 
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Nice surprise opener with Christian and Sheamus. His appearance was clearly done for the sole purpose of pimping NXT. I have never had a problem with
another brands champion taking the pinfall. Although that momentum swinging last 30 seconds came out of nowhere.
I have to say that all the backstage and in ring stuff going on between Legacy is the most interesting stuff they've ever done. For the simple
fact that you don't know where any of this is going yet. Can anyone explain Sheamus's hard on for Orton these last few weeks? I hope
this doesn't lead to a face turn by him. He has been popping the crowd a lot lately, but it would be a major mistake in my opinion.
The triple threat elimination match was excellent. It was obvious that DX was dropping the belts, the only question was to whom. You can make an
arguement for both ShowMiz and Straight Edge, considering how hot Punk and Miz are at the moment. But just seeing Miz carrying around 3 belts, after
the match, made a believer out of me.
If Maryse wasn't already great to begin with, she went ahead and threw that idiot Michael Cole under the bus and became even greater!
Just when Cena does something good like delivering a calm, straight to the point promo, he comes back this week and reverts back to form....loud,
obnoxious, pandering Cena. As much as I like Bret Hart, seeing him back in the ring doesn't look like its going to be a very good visual.
That's why its becoming more and more obvious that this will be a tag match involving both Cena and Batista....yippee!!
I think the true star of tonight's show was Shawn Michaels. He is playing this "gone over the edge" character beautifully. Something tells
me that R-Truth is going to get the Kofi treatment at the Elimination Chamber match. Michael's will be taking that spot one way or another.
Not a bad show...good guest hosting by Carl Edwards...final score 3.25
I have two ambitions in life: one is to drink every pub dry, the other is to sleep with every woman on earth -- Oliver Reed
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Stu
Caledonian Crippler 
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They probably have their own formerly fat guy to sell sandwiches in the UK.
Na, just a currently fat american comedian doing voiceover for the ads.
PRetty decent show. Edwards was likeable as host, if pretty forgettable, Miz Show/ShowMiz winning the tag titles and the match in general was good,
and DX's story progressed in an interesting way. I keep forgetting No Way Out has been renamed, so when Michael Cole was introducing Maryse, I
thought at first he was saying she was IN an Elimination Chamber match. Hopefully the payoff to the Divas Championship is that Gail, being Canadian,
knows more french than Maryse suspects and knows what her intentions are ahead of time. Legacy stuff wasn't really anything, but at least it was
brief, and I liked the stuff with Cena/Vince/Bret. Glad to see Dibiase get inducted, and I enjoyed the video package they made for it a whole lot.
3.5
The TWO TIME bOOardie Award and Signed Bret Hart DVD Winner!
"Well, Jeff�s puddle throws up the Shocker, so I guess some things never change."
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williamssl
Steers and Queers 
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Good show. Nothing OMG but that could be driven by getting spoilers because watching it on West Coast time.
Liked the DX stuff, but HBK looks like an idiot for not showing up on last week's SD when he COULD and stirring shit up then.
Does the demise of DX mean Hornswaggle get's taken off TV for the time being?
For all the "Moments Ago" shit they do overall, it would be nice to do that on the Maryse stuff where she speaks French and...actually tell people
what she said. I'm sure :30 seconds could be found and repurposed for that.
And within these threads there should be some equal opportunity WTFing????? re: some of the ratings. I see a "2.0 at best" which seems like it
should be getting called out for being on the low/stupid side.
Don't Mess With Texas
Hi ,awesome post! Good thing ive'd drop by this thread. Nice guide for newbies like me. Hope to see more posts soon. Thanks again!
Regards,
cherrydews
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Frank Lloyd Wright
Showstopper
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Does the demise of DX mean Hornswaggle get's taken off TV for the time being?
From your mouth to God's ears!
I have two ambitions in life: one is to drink every pub dry, the other is to sleep with every woman on earth -- Oliver Reed
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TheGuest
rOOkie
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quote:
Originally posted by Devineman
EDIT : Nobody bother with the Live Chat thing any more?
DOUBLE EDIT : Guess not, I may as well carry on in this post then.
It's changed since two years ago.
http://natecorbitt.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=chat
TheGuest: That annoying chat dude.
" 11:14 PM [Cherokee Jack] Guest: 1 for 15956 on the night
11:14 PM [Cherokee Jack] congratulations, sir
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11:14 PM [firewoman] it's okay guest. you can be right about something next week "
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