OORick
Hammer in Transition 
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OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (February 8, 2010)
OO Nation: All discussion pertaining to RAW (airing February 1, 2010) should be done in this thread. It will remain pinned at the top of the
Current Events section for the remainder of the week. In discussing the program, we'd love it if you shared your numerical rating for
the show (from a low of 0.0 to a high of 5.0, in any increment of one-tenth of a point). For full details on the ratings scale and how to join in on
this informal "Battle of the Brands," please be sure to check out the OOfficial
Guidelines for TV Ratings/Discussion Threads.
Tonight on RAW: Triple H and Shawn Michaels will finally defend those pesky Unified Tag Titles; they've had -- what? -- that one match
against the Harts over on SD since winning them, I think; then they weaseled out of another defense two weeks ago on SD... but tonight, DX *must*
defend the straps in a triple threat match against the deserving #1 contenders, CM Punk/Luke Gallows, and the very persuasive, Shatner-convincing duo
of Big Show/Miz... a title change is all-but-certain, as it would allow DX to split and pursue their singles agendas; HBK's preferred schedule
(no working Tuesday night tapings, except for special occassions) means DX was never gonna make the most of the "brand-hopping" aspect of the
unified titles, anyway, so they belong on somebody who will... on one hand, Punk and his Straight Edge Society are red hot right now, and would play
as well on Mondays as they do on Fridays... on the other, Punk's qualified for the Elimination Chamber, while neither Show nor Miz has anything
better to do at the PPV than defend the tag titles (and would make for some fun interactions on their visits to SD, as Show and Jericho would be gold,
and Miz always seems to get the best out of Johnny Morrison), so if Show is healthy enough to hold up his end of tag matches, they're a viable
option, too...
Also tonight: various hostilities among the entrants to RAW's Chamber match (Sheamus, Cena, Orton, DiBiase, Kofi, and the otherwise-occupied
HHH) should keep the title picture spicy; DX splitting has already been discussed, but you also have the matter of Legacy's looming break-up to
deal with; and who knows? Maybe Big Show even tries to get back into the Chamber after the cheap/flukey way he lost to Kofi last week... Vince McMahon
will no doubt have a lot to say about Bret Hart; the only questions are whether Batista will visit from SD to address his motivations (and further his
now-certain WM26 feud with Cena), and whether Bret Hart will show up to begin his run as a weekly fixture on RAW (and his likely
partnership/mentorship with Cena)... one of these weeks, they will hold the long-established tourney finals for the Diva Title, Gail Kim vs. Maryse;
or maybe they'll just keep milking this with pointless backstage skits where Maryse pretends to be nice, but then says (presumably) bitchy
things in French that obviously NOBODY will ever be able to understand... and our Guest Host will be some diptard NASCAR nonlebrity; if he talked to
his fellow redneck buddies who hosted last year, I'm wagering he really has it in for some guy named "Kofi Johnston"; I'm also wagering
that even if he avoids mind-numbing, Orton-caliber flubbed lines, I -- along with the vast majority of the viewing audience -- will have a really
tough time giving a shit about anything the dude attempts to do, so let's hope WWE keeps that in mind when formatting tonight's show...
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Let your voice be heard and your thoughts on Brand Supremacy be known. Don't wait till after 11pm to post,
either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Creepy Little Bastard 
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Tag title match will be elimination style.
Which team goes out first? DX might make the most sense if the plan was to set-up a StraightEdge Society vs Miz/Big Show feud. With Elimination Rules
it sets up the possibility DX gets DQ'd/Counted Out without ending the match - so they'd be eliminated from the match and lose the titles
with the added protection that titles usually can't change hands on a DQ.
Punk/Gallows would make the most sense in that having the titles would allow Punk to move around on all shows. He could make the titles have certain
importance in that he could explain that by having the titles and the ability to jump brands it allows him to expand his audience and save more souls.
However Punk is above the tag titles, could Joey Mercury debut tonight, or wait until after Mania? Could the SES win the titles, but then Punk moves
on to Mysterio and have a mystery replacement at WM fatal fourway with BigShow/Miz, Hart Dynasty, Cryme Tyme?
Punk is working with Mysterio at recent house shows so that still seems to be the plan.
My Mother was a preacher and my Father was a prizefighter...
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Devineman
And I am AWESOME 
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Watching my first RAW in two years tonight.
Apparently it's gotten worse than it was when Hornswoggle was the McMahon child, Punk was languishing in ECW, Morrison had just turned from
Nitro, and DeGeriatric X were the most entertaining part of the program.
Looking forward to it. Do you guys still do live chat during RAW?
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OORick
Hammer in Transition
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I had no idea the match was elimination-style...
Back in the day, I had a strong preference for the ECW/three-way-dance elimination rules as the less cheap/flukey way of doing things, but I gotta
admit: after 15 years, WWE's pretty much beaten me into submission and gotten me acclimated to the
sudden-death/single-fall/champion-doesn't-have-to-be-pinned-to-lose rules.
Could be doing it the "old" way tonight to faciliate some sort of cheap DX exit or storyline element related to their split... could also just be a
way of previewing the Chamber PPV, since I believe that's really the only gimmick match in WWE's aresenal that IS traditionally held under
elimination-style rules. We'll see.
And it also occurs to me that I said "Show and Miz have nothing better to do at the PPV than defend that tag titles," but that's not the
entire story. Miz is still, technically, the US Champ (even if nobody but him seems to care about it, and his only matches are unannounced impromptu
affairs on PPV), so he SHOULD have something better to do. He just doesn't. Yet.
But I figure if we're labeling Punk as "above the tag titles," we oughta at least recognize that there's a similar stumbling block
regarding Miz. I don't know if I agree with anyone being "above" the tag belts; sure DX has punted their reign, but Show and Jericho were both
huge singles stars who made THEIR reign work really well, hopping brands and being active without totally eschewing singles agendas. It could happen
that way again with either Punk or Miz.
I think I'd still prefer to give the nod to Punk just now. Not just because his act is red hot, but because with the Society, the alternative
will be there before too long to expand his flock and start defending the tag titles "Freebird Rules" style. Which frees him up to do
whatever's required of him, singles-wise, while still being the primary brand-hopping heat magnet behind Luke/NextRandomBaldie.
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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TexShark300
Rated R Superstar 
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Carl Edwards is the NASCAR guy who does the back flips of the car when he wins, so expect something zany along those lines tonight.
On that note, I'll be watching House. And Pawn Stars.
Life is about choices. You can choose to have a Good Attitude or you can choose to have a Bad Attitude.
- Msgt Hal D. Aaron
1953-2007
House watches TNA. He goes bowling. I Knew I liked that show for a reason.
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LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW 
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Does Lucky want to watch RAW tonight?
Pros:
- Tag Title Match I want to see with arguably the best act in wrestling in it.
- The possibility of Edge before his face turn makes him completely unenjoyable.
- The slight possibility that someone will jump over from ECW before they get kicked out for NXT.
Cons:
- Nascar host I couldn't care less about.
- Most likely no Bret but Cena serving as his stand in to advance a match I don't want to see at all.
- Divas action.
- The weakest championship run I can think of.
Neutral:
- Legacy breaking up with could be interesting or could be generic and boring like Legacy.
I miss anything?
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rabbxt
narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc narc 
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quote:
Originally posted by TexShark300
Carl Edwards is the NASCAR guy who does the back flips of the car when he wins
*drooooool
2007 BREAKTHROUGH POSTER OF THE YEAR
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Haven't you seen his videos? He's Xtreme!
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theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
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I still can't believe HBK didn't try to use his brandhopping abilities to show up on SD and get in the chamber. At the very least,
acknowledging that benefit of the tag titles would have made this match important and give DX a reason to care about losing. Otherwise, it's
been made pretty clear that they've got other priorities and could give a shit about the titles, which they really only won to piss off Jericho
anyway.
I think doing that would have added a little oomph to what will hopefully still be a good match between talented performers.
EDIT:
Rabbxt, does your avatar represent what you want to see out of Carl Edwards tonight?
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by theflammablemanimal]
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Matte
radedar suprstr
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Working tonight, thankfully. I won't be home to force myself to watch RAW.
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williamssl
Steers and Queers 
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What are the "logic" rules that signify whether Matte vs. Rabbxt will post?
Don't Mess With Texas
Hi ,awesome post! Good thing ive'd drop by this thread. Nice guide for newbies like me. Hope to see more posts soon. Thanks again!
Regards,
cherrydews
Pret voiture
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gobbledygooker
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Originally posted by rabbxt
quote:
*drooooool
Ummmm....welcome back?
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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Biff_Manly
Rated R Superstar 
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Looks like he was separated from Gen Douche at birth. This is the future face of Nascar?
"Walter: I can solve everything by making this gramophone have sex with time."
--SCSA's Fringe on Ice Holiday Spectacular.
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firewoman
Rated R Superstar 
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If he comes out like that, RAW gets at least a 3.0 from me.
It's not enough to make me ever...EVER...watch NASCAR though.
[DevSop] god your sex life scares me
[SeamusMcNasty] And that is why I hate the Miz. He's got potential, but he just doesn't live up to it. Unlike Randy Orton, who has no
potential and lives right up to that.
MHJ: "if it is kinky, depraved, erotic, or a fetish, you will find it"
theflammabledouchimal: By the way, I heard that house shows have Morrison and Mcintyre teaming up to take on the team of Baretta/Croft, with Jericho
as special ref.
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Devineman
And I am AWESOME
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You know, after watching opening promo (I record it on Tivo to FF the ads/suck), there is no possible way that anybody in the whole wide world could
fuck up the Bret/Vince angle.
Seriously, my 8 year old could write this and it would be good. All the writers have to do, is get out of the way, the fans and Vince/Hart can do
this one their own.
It's the ultimate of all grudge matches, and they could go anywhere with it. Not just the 'you screwed me.you screwed you' type
stuff, but even the 'you destroyed my family' stuff or as Cena mentioned 'you are a bad man' stuff.
There's so many facets to this, that as soon as they overthink it, they'll blow it. I understand the need to heavily script the
performers on WWE, but sometimes when you have promo guys like Bret and Vince in there, you really do just need to let them get on with it and give,
at the most, bulletpoints.
Still, the opening promo sucked me in and I actually want to watch the show for the first time in a couple of years. Shame they brought on DX
Hornswoggle next.
EDIT : Nobody bother with the Live Chat thing any more?
DOUBLE EDIT : Guess not, I may as well carry on in this post then.
The Shaemus/Christian match was a little squashy at the end. Nothing says �legitimate Champion" like getting your ass handed to you by someone who
has being around for 10 years less than you. It seems that they['ve just given up on an angle for the ECW exit.
Hunter has aged terribly, Orton has doubled his body mass since last viewing. Still, Hunter can still actually wrestle though which is nice to see.
DX hasn't evolved in any way, shape or form, but when you sell as much merchandise and tickets as they do, do you really have to evolve? I
don't know.
Punk's new angle is awesome, and he's even going with the tried and true "crazy cult guy" beard. Someone on here posted about Mercury
coming in anddoing a "We're killing you because we love you" kind of like old Raven, and it fits really well.
I don't understand why Big Show is still employed. Apart from being a really big guy, I'm having trouble caring about him.
HBK just fell of the top rope, and Punk sold the elbow like he'd killed him, good job.
Maybe a little controversial, but I just hate the 'face in peril' tag team psychology now. The whole idea is surely to beat the face that
badly that the crowd don't expect to see the hot tag, which gives heat to the new guy coming in. Unfortunately, if 100% of the crowd know the
guys coming in eventually, all you are doing is slowing down the match and making it boring, there isn't any build up. Money Inc used to do it
well with the whole "cut off the corner" that Monsoon used to talk about and that made sense, but the commentators barely acknowledge it now. I
don't really know what I expected, but some freshness would have being nice.
Have the Big Show and Miz got any prior history as a team? They look a bit.....unsuited. That felt more like they were the least important people,
hence won the belts because everybody else was busy.
Wow, Ted Dibiase must have a shit hot plastic surgeon, he looks 40 years younger.
HoF inductee is...Ted Dibiase. Well, that's just killed my joke. On the plus side, it gives them an excuse to show his skits, which were
brilliant.
Who is Jared and why is he pimping Subway? Is he some sort of celebrity or something?
Jerry Springer and RAW, a match made in trash TV heaven. Somebody should have thought of this sooner, as WWE is now just basically a Springer show
with more athleticism.
A heel vs heel match is tough, and Orton/Runnells did pretty well considering the run in was a heel aswell. Not particularly sure who is meant to be
getting cheered in a Sheamus/Orton fight, but whatever, it went on for the right amount of time.
Vince is still awesomely douchy, put a bit of weight on though. Cena's tank comment was fun, though he does this stupid screwed up face.
Angry Cena is pathetic, fake and annoying.
I don't really understand why Cena is the Bret stand in. If he was there anyway, couldn't we have heard Bret talk instead of him?
Anyway, based on the rating guidelines given, it was a decent show. I'll be watching again next week. The DX angle is semi-entertaining
(because I'm a huge HBK fan, and I'm hoping they can play a midlife crisis angle), the Bret stuff is great TV and Punk could go in fun
directions. I don't know who Sheamus is, and I don't particularly care, is he a transitional champ?
A solid show for me, and more than enough to keep me tuned in. A quite high 3.5 from me. Would have being a 4 if I cared about Orton/Sheamus but I
wasn't exactly sure what was happening there, and who was supposed to be angry at who for what.
[Edited on 9-2-10 by Devineman]
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ModSquad
The Online Onslaught 'Gustapo'
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quote:
Originally posted by rabbxt
*drooooool
quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Working tonight, thankfully. I won't be home to force myself to watch RAW.
Any particular reason why in under three minutes you posted one comment that didn't really add anything, logged out, logged into your other
account and posted yet another comment that didn't really add anything?
"The moment that The Rick tells me that I am in the wrong then I will stop. And since I have 10 years of reading his work under my belt I feel fairly
confident that he won't since he is a proponent of thinking differently. Save the threats."
Hot Tip: If the moderators tell you to do something, ask them how long they've been reading The Rick. If you've even got a week on
them, guess who knows better? It's you, superstar. It's you.
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The Riot Act
Hot, Spicy, ICHIBAN!!! 
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Maybe he does this all that the time and I've simply never noticed it before, but did anyone else think Cena sounded a bit like Morgan Freeman
after the commercial break when he was getting ready to call out Vince? Just the cadence of his speech and the little drawl he had sounded so familiar
to me. Maybe being in Lousianna had something to do with it?
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Psycho Penguin
And I am AWESOME
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Damn good show. Damn good. No idea where they're going with WM, which is awesome.
- Rhodes pins Orton then Sheamus attacks Orton and Rhodes saves him.. interesting.
- Miz and Big Show win the tag titles and DX teases a break up even more. HBK has to turn heel now. HHH vs HBK vs Taker at WM?
- They set up next week's show quite nicely.
- Tag match or singles match? Why are Cena and Batista involved in this mess?
Damn good show, like I said. 4.5
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nOOb
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by ModSquad
Any particular reason why in under three minutes you posted one comment that didn't really add anything, logged out, logged into your other
account and posted yet another comment that didn't really add anything?
Wait...are you telling me they're the same person? But...but I've seen them in the same topic at the same time! Next thing you're
going to tell me is that Clark Kent is Superman.
Editted to comment on this gem:
quote:
Originally posted by Devineman
Who is Jared and why is he pimping Subway? Is he some sort of celebrity or something?
Okay, I am completely convinced that the only reason you didn't know about OO being back is that you were in a coma for the past three years,
and that three year coma somehow retroactively went into effect for the five years previous to that. Everyone knows you Jared is.
Everyone.
[Edited on 2-9-2010 by nOOb]
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
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They probably have their own formerly fat guy to sell sandwiches in the UK.
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Devineman
And I am AWESOME
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quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
Okay, I am completely convinced that the only reason you didn't know about OO being back is that you were in a coma for the past three years,
and that three year coma somehow retroactively went into effect for the five years previous to that. Everyone knows you Jared is.
Everyone.
Nope, he never made it over here. I get the impression he is a guy who's in a famous Subway advert then? More to the point, what was he doing
on Raw?
EDIT : After checking Wiki, I see that a guy got famous because he lost a bit of weight, after careful diet and exercise. Was this a surprise to most
Americans? 
[Edited on 9-2-10 by Devineman]
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nobledictator
And I am AWESOME
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So another solid effort on Raw tonight.... I know Wrestlemania is coming up...but why can't they maintain this all year long and not just from
Royal Rumble on each year. They got the talent. I think Raw is being helped by a really strong midcard with for the first time in years potential
main eventers forth coming.
Sheamus vs Christian was fun, and Sheamus needed the win...too bad it was against Christian, but I have read somewhere (god only knows if its true)
that Vince said that Christian had the worst main event look of anyone he had seen smelling the main event...if that's so it explains
Christian's position in the company. Fun opening non the less.
I really though that Straight Edge Society was going to take in the titles and was quite shocked when it was Miz and Big Show. I sincerely believe
this was the plan even on Smackdown when they switched it. Again I question alot of what I read especially when it deals with wrestling...but if its
true that HBK wasn't fond of Punks gimmick maybe he nixed dropping the titles to them...maybe not. Still the match was great and you just know
that Miz and Show is going to implode in no time. The Miz is so awesome....score a pinfall over HBK too good for him.
You know for the first time ever ...well second Cody looked like he could be a player to me tonight...and not just because he got a win over Orton,
but he showed some personality. The other time I thought this was when Orton RKOed his dear daddy.... still think they missed a golden opportunity
there.
Womens match was blah, and what has happened to Gail Kim she is not as hot as she was. She looks like she has aged 10 eyars in like a few
months...maybe it was the make up. The finisher of hers was awesome though.
Man Dibiase looked like a bitch Id say, no favors for him. I didn't like the promo too much from Cena....and Im glad they are separating the
attack on Cena from Batista from Vince and Bret. I still dont' know what I think of the whole 3 appearances by bret...but I did love his trade
mark at the end saved the segment big for me :-). If the Bret/Vince lasts more than 3 minutes of actual fighting its gonna be a train wreck.
MVP of Raw this week: HBK (all around awesomeness)
Runner UP: Cody Rhodes (He showed me something this week and had decent character development)
Santino's shirt is awesome
Tonights Raw gets a 3.9 another very solid show...main event promo was okay not great so it brought it down for me...womens match too...rest of show
was fairly good.
In closing.... Teddy Long really should have stayed home.
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LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
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Jared is a dude who was once really fat but lost a ton of weight by eating a diet made up almost exclusively of the healthier items on Subway's
(a fastfood deli sandwich franchise) menu. Subway got wind of this and made them his spokesman, which he's been for over a decade. So
"Jared" is actually a quasi celebrity at this stage. Probably at least as much as some of the guest hosts.
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S Kid J E T S 48
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No time to really expand much, but Raw really sucked me in tonight. Just a lot of good stories going on, and the matches were quite good. The ending
surprise put it over the top. 4.6. The Road to Wrestlemania is officially on.
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mooseheadjack
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evidently WWE has lost me. I have ZERO interest in the Bret-Vince angle, and I honestly remember being impressed by very little of the show tonight.
At best it gets a 2.0 from me, and that is probably being generous
- The History of the OOWF: Archives at: www.oowfwrestling.com
- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
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nobledictator
And I am AWESOME
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So I watched Million Dollar Man growing up ...but after WM IV....Kicking the ball away from the kid was awesome...I hope that kid wasn' in on it
cause it would have been even more awesome to think so.
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