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Subject: TNA: Victory Road PPV (Now with 2% PPV Discussion, 98% Talk About Jeff Hardy's Wasted 90 Second Performance!)
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 10:37 AM
The reason why Sting hasn't taken the fat paycheck is simple, he is a man of principal. He once said he would never wrestle for Vince McMahon,
perhaps he is merely choosing to stand by that rather then take the easy money. Maybe if Vince completely stepped aside he will make a WWE appearance,
but I somehow imagine he will forever remain the One big name from the Monday night wars to never wrestle for the wwf/e.
As for the PPV, it was a solid show that had some good match's but some horrible finishes. And the main event situation was inexcusable, that
was some pathetically lame crap from TNA.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
I've actually been wondering this even before the whole debacle tonight. Either wrestle the Undertaker at WrestleMania in the Georgia Dome in
what would be a history-making match seen by millions or take the TNA title off of Jeff Hardy in Fayetteville, NC. And that's not a knock
against TNA, but if you're Sting, why wouldn't you take the fat paycheck and WrestleMania moment, along with doing pretty much the only
thing you've never done in your career?
Sting's the dumbest man in pro wrestling?
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:25 AM
Judging by the past few years, I'll take the cynical view and say Sting didn't take the fat paycheck because he would have had to do the
job and then probably just chase the title and deal with a tougher schedule. Now he's already the champ, and he'll probably continue his
TNA run of never wrestling on free tv and almost never jobbing.
And this main event is completely on TNA. They should know they always need a backup plan for Hardy and, barring that, unless he smoked up right
before the match, they had a few hours to come up with an alternate plan, which should have taken all of 5 minutes.
But they have shown in the last few months that they are absolutely horrible at booking on the fly.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
And this main event is completely on TNA. They should know they always need a backup plan for Hardy
It's 100% on TNA. And it's not even having a backup plan... if management has time to say, "Fuck! Ok, uh, go out there and job in one
minute," then they have time to say, "Fuck you, Jeff, there's no way you're going out there. Send out RVD and Anderson for a triple
threat." That takes all of five seconds to think of.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
For all we know, the Sting/Hardy main event could've been a scheduled 20 minute match that had to be scrapped because of Jeff, whereas the
Miz/Lawler shit was booked ahead of time and went on as planned.
I understand and agree. However, as I said, it isn't so much "what was
originally planned" as "If Jeff was in no condition to wrestle, why do you still throw that out there as your main event, which is sure to piss off
everyone who forked over $40 (or whatever they're charging these days) enough to probably not want to purchase your product again?"
Have RVD or Anderson come out after the squash and demand an immediate shot (Anderson would probably make more sense, he has more heelish tendencies
about him). Have them lay out Jeff and end up in a triple threat. Whatever. Don't promote a PPV Main Event and just end it in 90 seconds
because Jeff can't get his shit together.
If Jeff Hardy ever has another reign as TNA World Champion, this company is dumber than any of us could have thought.
EDITED: to fix my quoting fuckup
[Edited on 3-14-2011 by Cherokee Jack]
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 02:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by denverpunk
At this point, the entire wrestling industry needs to rid itself of Jeff Hardy. People can dislike the Lawler/Miz feud if they'd like, but at
least the principals of that match didn't show up to the arena on an unholy cocktail of meth, Oxycontin, cheap bourbon, and barbiturates.
Really, that's COMPLETELY unfounded. Everyone knows he drinks the top shelf stuff.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 03:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
It's 100% on TNA. And it's not even having a backup plan... if management has time to say, "Fuck! Ok, uh, go out there and job in one
minute," then they have time to say, "Fuck you, Jeff, there's no way you're going out there. Send out RVD and Anderson for a triple
threat." That takes all of five seconds to think of.
This.
Also, and this can't really be stated enough, it's Jeff Hardy. I notice that not a single person here has had a reaction along the
lines of "Oh, Hardy showed up stoned/drunk and unable to perform? No shit? Weird." Putting Hardy in a prominent position where he is to be relied
upon to be responsible and make good decisions is akin to an NFL team going out this off-season and and bringing in Ryan Leaf to be their starting QB.
It's their decision, but they know exactly what they're getting and if they think they're going to get anything else, they're
stupid.
Mostly, though, TNA is stupid for not having some kind of contingency plan. Send fucking Rob Terry out there for ten minutes, for crying out loud. Do
something. If Hardy was in the condition it's being claimed he was in, it's not like he was going to care.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 03:52 PM
Assuming this Hardy stuff is true, that's the end of Immortal, right? I mean, Jeff's got to be fired and that group was already pretty
thin. Plus, who else in that group can step up? Jarrett? Matt? Or do they just screw logic and have Anderson join or, even worse, turn AJ again?
And what does this mean for Matt? Will he be marginalized again once Jeff is gone or will they actually pretend he's a main eventer?
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 04:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by angstboy
Really, that's COMPLETELY unfounded. Everyone knows he drinks the top shelf stuff.
Yep, only the best Old Grandad for Jeff.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 04:39 PM
TNA has sent Jeff Hardy home from tapings this week. Oooo that'll teach him a lesson.
This can't reflect well in his plea bargaining attempt. I guess maybe he figures rehab or probation with drug testing will be in his deal so
he's going out with a bang or something.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 04:41 PM
Actually, the bigger story here is that TNA allowed a performer to work a live PPV while he was supremely fucked up.
What reason could they possibly have for allowing that to happen?
If I were Sting, I'd be ripping someone a new asshole.
And I'm sorry, but if this had been Vince, someone would have been sent home and then released shortly thereafter and we all know it.
I'm not a huge defender of the WWE and I've never looked at TNA as second rate just because they aren't WWE, but this shit is
unbelievable.
Apparently Amanda Bynes and Charlie Sheen are related, because she's full of the same kind of
crazy.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 05:23 PM
Jeff Hardy is on a drug...it's Jeff Hardy!
Winning...or jobbing I guess...
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 05:28 PM
I saw Jeff Hardy trend on Twitter last night and got scared he was dead. Of course, it would have been better if I had known there was a PPV last
night as I would have just thought he had a great match...etc.
TNA is most likely to blame for putting on a shitty end to last night's show, even if it was last minute or whatever...but my gripe is less with
that, and more with their lax substance abuse policy.
This has been building forever - we've known TNA doesn't do anywhere near the testing WWE does, whether its money reasons or not - they
have fostered an environment where stuff like this could happen.
It is less my concern that they wound up stuck doing something stupid at the end of the show, at the very least I could say, who knows if they had any
idea what Hardy was like until 2 seconds before he went out there and got stuck and didn't want to just throw performers out there on the fly
randomly.
But this should be the tipping point to them showing that they cannot just be the company that takes all. They can't think that every wrestler
death will just hit the brow of their competitor. If Hardy dies or kills someone in their ring, TNA will be done. They need to have the mettle to
say no to him, or force him out until he can get clean, whether it ruins their plans or their need for big stars.
We already know of his "condition" when he came back from an overseas tour where he was "tired". Buying his excuse or not, anything like that has
to get TNA to blow the fire alarm and be extra careful with him...either they did or didnt, but monitoring obviously hasn't worked, other than
to save Sting from working with someone that could have hurt him.
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For all we know, TNA could be the last shot at a major competitor for the WWE. If Hardy goes off the deep end one day and really does something
stupid, it could destroy them in a way Benoit almost destroyed the WWE. They need to step up, especially in this age of testing and concern, and try
to get Hardy help.
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On Sting not leaving for WWE so he could settle for this:
I'm not taking that tact. I'm sure any contract he would have gotten with the WWE would have made him not just appear at Wrestlemania,
but been for at least 6 months, and probably would include all TV and most house shows. There's no way at his age that I blame Sting for not
taking that, no matter what the money is. If he's saved up, a TNA income would be more than enough to suppliment him for all I could guess. If
he could work 2-3 days a month and get paid well, it probably made the most sense working with people he knows and trusts (well...disregard Hardy for
this minute, I mean Dixie and the writers) than going to unfamiliar WWE.
(And on the WWE thing, I can't imagine he didn't go because "he promised to never do anything with Vince McMahon or anything". If Bret
Hart forgave Vince, I can't imagine anyone's stigma against McMahon is strong enough to declare he's never working for him.)
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 05:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by CreativeInternetAliass
The reason why Sting hasn't taken the fat paycheck is simple, he is a man of principal. He once said he would never wrestle for Vince McMahon,
perhaps he is merely choosing to stand by that rather then take the easy money. Maybe if Vince completely stepped aside he will make a WWE appearance,
but I somehow imagine he will forever remain the One big name from the Monday night wars to never wrestle for the wwf/e.
As for the PPV, it was a solid show that had some good match's but some horrible finishes. And the main event situation was inexcusable, that
was some pathetically lame crap from TNA.
What principle? TNA is a lot more raunch than wwe is now. So if he wants to be that one guy who never worked for Vince, so be it, but it's not
based on any high and mighty principle.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 05:51 PM
Here's the whole debacle in case you didn't see it, minus Jeff's entrance. I don't know how long this will actually stay up,
though.
A few notable things-- It looks like Hebner throws up the X during Sting's entrance. And I get the impression that neither guy knew what was
going to go down until Bischoff whispers instructions to them while in the ring. Sting looks pretty disgusted after the match, and him shouting, "I
agree!," to the crowd's "Bullshit" chant was pretty funny.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 05:54 PM
I haven't heard anything suggesting this, but I think Sting was completely ready to step away from the business after he dropped the title (and
subsequent rematch) to AJ.
Why he returned after that, I don't know.
Why he's back now? Same answer.
Maybe Nash and Booker's departures made him feel like TNA needed him or something. I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of his
motivation. By all accounts, Sting is a nice guy.
ETA:
After having seen that, I'd have to say that Sting might be the nicest guy in wrestling. It's clear that Hardy wasn't there
to work and I'm pretty sure we just saw the rare screwjob that doesn't involve taking a title off a performer.
I'd have beaten the holy hell out of him.
[Edited on 3-14-2011 by southermagu]
Apparently Amanda Bynes and Charlie Sheen are related, because she's full of the same kind of
crazy.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 06:19 PM
:58 Seconds for the X. I swear, I haven't done that much digging into a video that didn't have a potential nip slip...well...ever. I
think Jeff thought he was kicking out of the Deathdrop, because it looked like he was trying to kick out, but Sting had all his weight on
him.
I think I understand why they held off on an immediate match afterward: TNA has a match planned for their next PPV and they didn't want to
throw off their entire schedule because a meth-head decided to come to work stoned. But they couldn't have had a backup plan to that?
You're telling me that they didn't have Abyss there or, like someone else mentioned, you couldn't pull someone like Rob Terry out
from the back to try and soften up Sting in a "warmup match" or something? I feel for TNA, but it's the bed they made for themselves.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 06:23 PM
"Things are op" - Jeff Hardy Tweet
I think he meant "ok" that or he went the Charlie Sheen road by calling himself overpowered.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 06:24 PM
The T-Shirt thing is incredibly weird and at least looking back, you can see something is up. Knowing what we know now as well, its obvious Bischoff
is giving instructions, and its less obvious, but seems like Sting held onto the pin while Hardy was actually trying to kick out.
Sting's a better guy than me...if I'm him and Hardy just fucked up the main event of a PPV, I go outside and get a chair and hit him the
same way he sloppily caused Kennedy to get a major concussion.
I'm sure they had no idea what they were doing at that moment with the confusion, but I found it funny that after a No-DQ match was set, Hebner
still called Sting off Hardy when Hardy put his body through the ropes.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 06:32 PM
I think DevSop suffered from an aneurysm trying to come up with some sort of justification to this bullshit. Which is too bad because I do want to
know his thoughts on this PPV and the company as a whole currently and how it may effect its future.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 06:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
What principle? TNA is a lot more raunch than wwe is now. So if he wants to be that one guy who never worked for Vince, so be it, but it's not
based on any high and mighty principle.
This. Sting now works for a company that used to have go go dancers and is currently booked by the guy who came up with much of the "offensive"
stuff in WWE (probably including HLA). And its jot like WCW was that pure to begin with.
By the way, since someone mentioned Abyss, is he injured or is there another reason that they wrote him (and apparently the global/legends/tv title)
off of tv?
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:06 PM
TNA is stupid. You re-write shit all the time, but you can't re-write this one? There are some comments over on 411 saying that if this were
the WWE, Hardy would have been fired on the spot. I say not true.
They'd have sent him and rebooked the event. No one would have seen Jeff Hardy, and the diffusion of the issue would have already started. But
that's how a major corporation with a wealth of knowledgeable people handle situations.
The video above is how TNA handles situations.
Back to the WWE, they would have suspended Hardy and sent him to rehab. If he refused, they'd fire him. They're smart like that. They
do their best to put it on the talent. You refused to go to rehab? That's on you...fired. You had a wellness violation after having 2
suspensions for prior violations? That's on you...fired.
Instead, Hulk Hogan tweets that he's trying to figure things out, brother.
I have a feeling I need to destroy TNA in my column this week. They've earned it.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:16 PM
I will say this-- for as (supposedly) wasted as he was, Jeff did a remarkably good job on his facepaint.
And I'll be the first one to rip TNA a new one for this particular main event, but a lot of comments on various news sites are saying the
company as a whole sucks, and I don't really think that's fair. Seems like the PPV was ok-to-good up until this... it was just a
shitty/panicked decision that I doubt will ever happen again.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:19 PM
After seeing the video, and agreeing that it looks like Bischoff called an audible, I wonder if anyone even knew Hardy was fucked up before Hebner
threw up the X?
I mean, saying Hardy has the shits and can't compete so you have to go against the biggest Immortal member we have, Rob Terry!! would make sense
but if they let Hardy get all the way to the ring and announce the match, then the options get a lot worse.
Not sure if that exonerates TNA at all because someone should have made sure he could go before he got all the way to the ring.
It sure looked like Hardy was trying his best to kick out. Bischoff whispers that you're high and you're about to get squashed to protect
everybody and you still try to kick out? What a douche.
