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Subject: TNA: Victory Road PPV (Now with 2% PPV Discussion, 98% Talk About Jeff Hardy's Wasted 90 Second Performance!)
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I will say this-- for as (supposedly) wasted as he was, Jeff did a remarkably good job on his facepaint.
That's what you think - he was actually trying to copy Sting's.
And I'm done with TNA. I've been watching less and less of it recently but I think I'm finished with it now. If someone could post a
vid of Mickie James' latest boobie jiggle each week then I'd be most grateful.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:25 PM
The re-booking should have Hardy not answer when his music hits. Sting gets on the mic and says since he came here to fight and since the fans came
to see a title match and since the #1 contenders match didn't have a finish let's have ourselves a three-way dance. Kennedy and RVD are
pro's enough to ad-lib a five minute match, Sting eventually wins of course. Kennedy and RVD are protected the next Thursday by saying "We
already fought a match that night, and Sting tried to take advantage of us to knock us both out of the #1 contenders slot. This would also set up the
eventual Kennedy/RVD vs Sting one-on-one match as still being fresh and viable.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:26 PM
I don't know if Jeff was trying to kick out, or just doing the thing people do when they get caught in a roll up and lose. I think it was the
latter. I don't know why TNA would throw him out in the match either. From the video, it seems they made the decision to change the match very,
very, very last minute, with Bischoff coming out and changing it. I think that's what the X was for. Then again, who knows. If TNA had doubts
about Hardy, they shouldn't have let him compete. Since the Anderson match went to a double count out, have one, or both of them, have a
backstage confrontation with Hardy right after, and beat the shit out of him and take his title shot. That would have worked better than that.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:47 PM
I wonder what was going on at 4:10ish (in the vid on the last page) - its as if Hardy puts something in his mouth after Bischoff shaking hands with
him..
But yeah, this was an epic fail for TNA. In a way, I understand them putting Jeff out so the fans could see it was him that was fucked up - dammit he
could harldy walk and stumbled into the ring. Sure, he usually walks like he's stoned but the difference was notable.
However - despite what others have said - this was NOT a snap/quick/last minute decision. As already mentioned Anderson and RVD were there, hell even
having them rush the ring to a no decision brawl after Sting pinned Hardy would have been acceptable, but no.
TNA TOOK THE TIME to prepare a full recap video package! They already DECIDED, with time to do that, that the main event was running short.
That. Sucks. And is lazy, so fucking lazy.
Fuckit, having Joe run out and flatten Sting with no explanation would have sent the fans home happy. Or even just have Angle appear on the ramp! So
so so simple. but no.
Fuck them.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 07:54 PM
Bad timing for Hardy and this attention (as I'm sure the Lafayetteville DA is following these news updates ) but he apparently meets with
them this Wednesday.
While I would have loved to have seen Sting take on the Undertaker at this years WM, I do tend to see Sting sticking with TNA after Booker bailed and
Nash buried them as a classy thing on his part. I doubt very much he would have had more than a small contract consisting of some TV and Mania, with
maybe a Maddison Sq gardens house show if that was on the books already, so I think the work schedules would probably have been the same. Considering
I read somewhere that Orton got like an 800k bonus for headlining WM a couple of years ago I don't think you can compare the money, but Sting is
probably sitting pretty from all those Turner cheques in the past... so if he didn't need the cash, good for him for sticking around to help TNA
out.
I'm wondering if it wasn't Sting who decided enough was enough and just hosed Jeff, not that I blame him for not wanting to work with a
guy in that state. It kinda looks to me like TNA did try and call an audible by having Bischoff come out to rejig the match into a no DQ that probably
would have seen more safe brawling and allowed for a better cover for Hardy where he was brutally beaten down? My guess is the call for the injured
"X" might have been some quick thinking on Hebnar's part to help cover for Hardy going down so quick as that is a fairly well known cue to the
back at this point. Maybe Sting was game with the plan until Hardy kept playing around with the shirt bit...?
This is just bad, and probably the last thing TNA wanted as the last few months have seen them with some egg on their face over the Nash/Booker T
jumps at the last minute, Angle's hints that all is not well between him and Dixie, and now this.
edit: that was quick... the youtube vid is down now. Also I messed up, the call for the "X" came before the match.... my bad.
[Edited on 3-14-2011 by Flash]
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:00 PM
I'm giving all the credit to Brian Hebner for this one. And I mean that in a good way.
I won't pretend to know what REALLY goes on backstage at a wrestling show, but I bet it's a pretty chaotic place, especially on a night of
a pay-per-view. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Hardy only got a few "hey, how are yous" during the night, and walked down the ramp without
anyone having any idea as to what condition he was in. Maybe Hebner was the first guy all night to get a good look at him and figure it was worth
calling for help.
If that IS what really happened, then I can understand why Bischoff took that time on the mic, and it explains why a spontaneously blurted-out no-DQ
stip was ignored. And good on Sting for doing the match, but it's a damn shame that between him and Bischoff, the best they could come up with
was that.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:01 PM
Just popping in to provide a re-do of the youtube on the previous page (which has long since been yanked):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lckr9OLR2Ow
I'll refrain from editorializing about the VINTAGE~! Jeff Hardy and let the video speak for itself. I'm classy like that.
Somebody should add some CM Punk promos from summer '09. He's not classy like me.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:15 PM
Wow Sting's a little pissed off at the end walking up the ramp. Dunno what the crowd said to him that he agreed with, but I'll bet it was
something like "that's bullshit."
quote:Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
I'm giving all the credit to Brian Hebner for this one. And I mean that in a good way.
I won't pretend to know what REALLY goes on backstage at a wrestling show, but I bet it's a pretty chaotic place, especially on a night of
a pay-per-view. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Hardy only got a few "hey, how are yous" during the night, and walked down the ramp without
anyone having any idea as to what condition he was in. Maybe Hebner was the first guy all night to get a good look at him and figure it was worth
calling for help.
Yeah, it looks like he throws the X and then heads to the corner to meet with a production assistant or something, who then goes backstage to maybe
get someone.
[Edited on 3-14-2011 by firewoman]
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:44 PM
Sting looks pretty pissed off after winning the match. He gets up, puts his hands on his hips, doesn't look excited to win, just dangles the
belt to his side when it's given to him, and the whole time just has that angry and disappointed stare towards Hardy. Also, the look on
Hardy's face after the pin definitely suggests he wasn't in on the quick loss. I can't see when Hebner and Sting communicate on
this being the outcome, but I guess that what makes them pros.
So maybe it's time to finally get rid of that lavender piece of pleather with the mardi gras mask on it and get an actual legitimate
championship title that actually looks like a world class belt.
[Edited on 3-14-2011 by salmonjunkie]
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by firewoman
Wow Sting's a little pissed off at the end walking up the ramp. Dunno what the crowd said to him that he agreed with, but I'll bet it was
something like "that's bullshit."
quote:Originally posted by Fifth HorsemanI won't pretend to know what REALLY goes on backstage at a wrestling show, but I bet it's
a pretty chaotic place, especially on a night of a pay-per-view. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Hardy only got a few "hey, how are yous"
during the night, and walked down the ramp without anyone having any idea as to what condition he was in. Maybe Hebner was the first guy all night to
get a good look at him and figure it was worth calling for help.
Yeah, it looks like he throws the X and then heads to the corner to meet with a production assistant or something, who then goes backstage to maybe
get someone.
That all sounds good, but falls down, as I mentioned before, when you remember TNA had the time to put together a recap package to fill the PPV time.
They couldn't have done that in the 1-2 minutes they had once Hardy was in the ring. Sure, a good production team can knock one together fast,
but not *that* fast.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by OORick
Somebody should add some CM Punk promos from summer '09. He's not classy like me.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 08:55 PM
Is there a YouTube of the video package? Depending on what it was, they could have been putting it together throughout the show, and could have just
finished it up after adding the main event to it. I believe TNA often does recap videos for some of their shows, but I could be remembering that from
years ago.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 09:04 PM
Until I know exactly when they finally found out Jeff couldn't go, I have a hard time killing TNA for allowing him to go to the ring, the
squash, etc. Maybe there were better options, but to TNA its possible their main goal was to make sure Jeff Hardy didn't do anything to hurt
himself or Sting and they sent Bischoff out there to stop it.
Then, who knows who has final say what to do. Maybe Russo could call an audible or whatever, or maybe thats Bischoff's job, except he was at
the ring and unable to talk to anyone backstage...I don't know. It's a mess and at this point, I'm 100% blaming Hardy for last
night.
Until more details fall out, the only place I really blame TNA, is just allowing this to get to this point between lack of a drug testing policy, and
lack of accountablity- knowing what you have in Jeff Hardy and not controlling it out of fear of losing him.
Now they've lost him. I don't know how they can trust him again.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 09:11 PM
Just read on his wiki entry that he got married on March 9th... maybe he thought he was still on his honeymoon?
As to TNA's involvement/culpability, I guess we'll get somewhat of an answer with this weeks tapings. While I don't expect them to
completely hang him out to dry, if they take the full bullet for him and just say "what an amazing upset" or some crap like that, then they deserve
to get scewered.
I've checked out both Hardy's twitter pages and thus far no comments, and even the "OMG NEWZ" sites are dredging up anything too
spectacular either, so I'm guessing TNA still doesn't know what they are going to do.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 09:19 PM
Suddenly Matte's sig just might win a booardie now. If there is a category for sigs.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 09:20 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG!
Matt Hardy Speaks!
quote:Matt Hardy Makes First Comments About Jeff's Situation
Mar 14, 2011 - 4:19:53 PM
Following reports that TNA star Jeff Hardy has been sent home from TNA due to his "condition" backstage at Sunday's Victory Road pay-per-view,
Jeff's brother Matt has issued his first public comments regarding the situation.
Matt tweeted on Monday afternoon:
"Well, today has been quite the interesting day to say the least. And yes, Jeff is fine. I'm (definitely) fine. Just sore from busting my ass
last night."
As previously reported, Jeff Hardy tweeted on Sunday night that "Things are op," which apparently means "things are okay."
I think the biggest news from this has been that Matt Hardy busted his ass for the first time in 3 years.
Otherwise, nothing at all.
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By the way...did other things happen on this PPV?
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 10:19 PM
Geez. That entire thing made me feel uncomfortable. I felt worse of all for Sting. I hope he didn't remain quiet and had some words with the TNA
higher ups about getting rid of this embarassment to their company.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 10:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Now they've lost him. I don't know how they can trust him again.
Ever see Team America World Police? Specifically 2:45-5:25 of this clip -
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 10:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
I'm giving all the credit to Brian Hebner for this one. And I mean that in a good way.
I won't pretend to know what REALLY goes on backstage at a wrestling show, but I bet it's a pretty chaotic place, especially on a night of
a pay-per-view. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Hardy only got a few "hey, how are yous" during the night, and walked down the ramp without
anyone having any idea as to what condition he was in. Maybe Hebner was the first guy all night to get a good look at him and figure it was worth
calling for help.
I find that a little hard to believe. I mean, surely Sting would have at least spoken to Hardy to go over the match they were supposed to have.
And Hardy was in his full gear and facepaint, so he must have been in the locker room at some point prior to the match.
The only part of this that really makes sense and doesn't surprise in the least is that Jeff Hardy was an embarrassment to the company and to
the business as a whole.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 10:51 PM
I certainly agree with that last sentiment.
Like I said, I don't know. Maybe he showed up in good condition, then did something there. Maybe they talked about it earlier in the week.
Maybe Sting did all the talking and Hardy just nodded his head in agreement. Whatever the scenario, I would think there would be more ramifications
than Hardy being kept off the tapings tonight, and Hogan tweeting that they're looking into the situation.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:18 PM
Or maybe because it's TNA they're going to make Jeff Hardy the Charlie Sheen of wrestling. I'm not serious, but I wouldn't put
it past them.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:32 PM
JB KING, looks like you might soon have a new image to post in every thread.
quote:@TheJimCornette Just watched #TNA ...I have to come up with a new face.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:34 PM
Not sure who's the bigger douchebag, Matt or Jeff: Leave it to MH to use Jeff's situation to help promote himself -- as if anyone gives a
shit about his match.
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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posted on 3-14-2011 at 11:54 PM
In regards to the recap package, live events aren't put together the same way as post-productions. There is a nifty little box called an EVS
that is server based playback. As the event goes, the operator clips off bits here and there, then can line them up in a playlist immediately. Those
recaps are assembled this way, allowing them to be built on the fly and to any length. There is no render time, so no delay.
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posted on 3-15-2011 at 12:13 AM
I've been dismissing this whole "it was a work" idea all along, but one thought came to mind. What time did the PPV end? (I didn't
watch it)
) but he apparently meets with
them this Wednesday. 
