C.MontgomeryPunk
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It's possible. I don't know how painting your top star as a meth head junkie is good booking though nor is pissing off your PPV buying
base, not to mention he has a court date next week on drug charges where the deal will be struck and his fate will be known.
They are storylining Hardy's absence at the tapings in progress though, so who knows. And some things don't add up with putting Hardy out
in front of the camera in such a messed up state.
[Edited on 3-15-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
What's with the Karate Kid? Mr. Myagi tells Daniel-san to whack off, and now Jackie Chan is telling Jaden Smith to Jack it off...
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DevilSoprano
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 01:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by G-B
I've been dismissing this whole "it was a work" idea all along, but one thought came to mind. What time did the PPV end? (I didn't
watch it)
1045ish with about a 5-10 minute video package after the pinfall.
[Edited on 3-15-2011 by DevilSoprano]
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BC
Man of a Thousand Holds
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 02:18 AM |
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There is no defense for it.
BUT
At least when TNA does it, it's an aberration. When WWE does it, it's called Raw.
Hello ladies, look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me, but if he stopped using ladies'
scented body wash and switch to Old Spice, he could smell like he's me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on a boat; with a man
your man could smell like. What's in your hand? Back at me. I have it. It's an oyster with two tickets to that thing you love. Look
again, the tickets are now diamonds. Anything is possible when your man smells like Old Spice and not a lady. I'm on a horse.
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theflammablemanimal
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 02:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
It's possible. I don't know how painting your top star as a meth head junkie is good booking though nor is pissing off your PPV buying
base, not to mention he has a court date next week on drug charges where the deal will be struck and his fate will be known.
Well, he is the Morningstar, the Antichrist of professional wrestling.
The first and only undisputed OO draft champion of the world
Get the pistons pumping and let the pigeons loose on my yambag
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G-B
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 02:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
1045ish with about a 5-10 minute video package after the pinfall.
Yeah, if you couple in the Bischoff stalling, this wasn't a work. Possible a re-work on the fly, but in no way was this part of a long-term
plan.
And for the RAW comment I saw: And it's not called RAW when the WWE does it, because the WWE wouldn't do this in 2011. Hardy
wouldn't have been seen on TV at all under that condition in the WWE, unless it was face down on the floor backstage after an attack. TNA
either chose to let it play out in front of the world, or if it was really discovered by Brian Hebner as Hardy walked out, then something is really
wrong with their backstage agents.
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Matte
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 02:33 AM |
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I think he just meant the two minute match thing.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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G-Spot
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 02:41 AM |
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Jericho just tweeted...
"TNA + Jeff Hardy=I don't buy it... #winning"
"G-Spot rocks the g-spot!!!
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Cherokee Jack
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He did mean the two-minute match thing.
And as I responded in chat, when WWE does it, it's called Raw, which means people aren't paying 40 bucks for it.
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Paddlefoot
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 03:13 AM |
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What a jackass loser. That wasn't Jake Roberts levels of bad but it certainly exceeded Scott Hall levels of bad.
The fundamental thing you need to understand when talking to deficit hawks is that when they say something is painful or that cuts will hurt people,
you need to recognize that what they really mean is that the cuts will be painful TO SOMEONE ELSE and hurt people THEY DON�T KNOW AND WILL NEVER MEET.
That�s why it�s so easy (for them) to be condescending assholes about the budget.
- John Cole
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DevilSoprano
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 03:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by G-B
quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
1045ish with about a 5-10 minute video package after the pinfall.
Yeah, if you couple in the Bischoff stalling, this wasn't a work. Possible a re-work on the fly, but in no way was this part of a long-term
plan.
And for the RAW comment I saw: And it's not called RAW when the WWE does it, because the WWE wouldn't do this in 2011. Hardy
wouldn't have been seen on TV at all under that condition in the WWE, unless it was face down on the floor backstage after an attack. TNA
either chose to let it play out in front of the world, or if it was really discovered by Brian Hebner as Hardy walked out, then something is really
wrong with their backstage agents.
I give you Brian Christopher tonight as a counter.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
I give you Brian Christopher tonight as a counter.
Main event of a PPV vs throwaway segment on free tv.
Nice counter.
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Matte
radedar suprstr
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I still think Brian was just fat, not high. But I could be wrong, maybe we get reports of it soon.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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Paddlefoot
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 04:29 AM |
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Unfortunately Sop's correct. When Christopher came out the first thing I thought of was that he'd been sharing the same pipe with Jeff all
weekend. What's with guys from the South anyway? When they decide to spiral out of control on incredibly dangerous drugs they sure go for broke.
The fundamental thing you need to understand when talking to deficit hawks is that when they say something is painful or that cuts will hurt people,
you need to recognize that what they really mean is that the cuts will be painful TO SOMEONE ELSE and hurt people THEY DON�T KNOW AND WILL NEVER MEET.
That�s why it�s so easy (for them) to be condescending assholes about the budget.
- John Cole
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Frank Lloyd Wright
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 05:20 AM |
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Brian Christopher wasn't the world champion of my organization just 3 weeks ago. This is like trying to compare apples to oranges.
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DrBoz
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 05:48 AM |
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I'll admit I haven't watched TNA in quite some time, but I do follow what's going on here and there. I gotta say, this Hardy thing
is so ridiculous I'm tempted to believe it isn't real. You mean to tell me NO ONE realized he was that fucked up at any point in time
prior to him staggering down the ramp, yet Brian Hebner figured it out in about a minute? Or if they DID realize he was that fucked up, everyone
decided they would at least "give it a go" to see if he could make it through the main event of a PPV?
I can't imagine Steve Borden agreeing to step in the ring with Hardy in that condition. If the disgust walking up the ramp was real and not
"Sting" talking, no way.
But at the same time, if this IS a work it is quite possibly the worst idea I've seen in wrestling in many years. Beyond Katie Vick bad.
Beyond Mae Young giving birth to a hand. Beyond David Arquette WCW Champion. Jeff Hardy has a court date this week and they decide to run a
storyline with him totally fucked up on a PPV? And he agrees to it? And no one stands up and says, "Um, maybe this isn't a great idea right
now" or SOMEthing?
Regardless, TNA looks horrible. Either it's awful storytelling (maybe more like poorly timed storytelling) or it's horrendous decision
making. This is more than just an oopsie.
At least with Jeff Hardy you can just not be surprised by it all. Either that or you have a new found respect for his ability to play "fucked up,"
because he did a bang up job. I'm inclined to believe the latter. There's no way he was that fucked up and able to put on face paint.
Unless maybe he ran into Miley Cyrus 15 minutes before his match.
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Matte
radedar suprstr
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I think Dev was just referring to this part of the quote: "Hardy wouldn't have been seen on TV at all under that condition in the WWE, unless
it was face down on the floor backstage after an attack." Meaning that they wouldn't send him out in the public eye at all in his drugged up
condition, but then Brian proved that wrong tonight by coming out and cutting a piss poor promo while in a similar drugged up condition.
It is a decent comparison depending on what exactly is being compared, and I think all that was being compared here was simply sending someone into
the public eye while under the influence.
EDIT: I'm not buying any rumors of this being a work. No way. Hardy fucked up, and that's it. But while I'm sure it could've
been covered for/dealt with differently, it's a shady situation. Maybe Hardy was held up in a private locker room for an hour prior to the
match. You never know what was happening before he walked down the ramp. You can think that you do, and you can say that there's no way he
didn't talk to anyone prior to the match, but you can't be sure of it.
[Edited on 3-15-2011 by Matte]
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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King of Pain
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quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
So maybe it's time to finally get rid of that lavender piece of pleather with the mardi gras mask on it and get an actual legitimate
championship title that actually looks like a world class belt.
Would Sting have to beat Eric Young to get the original TNA title belt?
There's nothing in the rulebook that says an elephant can't play.
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Flash
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 06:57 AM |
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I don't know what Hardy's drug of choice (all of them... ?) but maybe like Matte said, he was kept seperate in his own locker room for a
while and got through the day's requirements fine. Maybe with 20 minutes to bell he decided to smoke/shoot up some "crack"(or what ever) and
that's why no one had a chance to catch on to his condition?
Like I said, I'll wait and see how TNA addresses this before I completely condemn them.
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Katie Vick killer
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quote:
Originally posted by JB KING
http://www.noelshack.com/upload/4322798966871_jeffsnifftheline.png
Good Lord...link name pretty mch says it all
I think "Snort the line" sounds better.
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firewoman
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More "rumors" as I'm not sure where this guy gets his info:
http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/headlines/302183841.shtml
I'll spare you the pop ups though:
quote:
Ah, I knew this was coming. What went down? Well basically, Jeff Hardy showed up under the influence of something. TNA knew he was screwed up,
but Sting, Hardy and TNA agreed that they would run a short match with Sting going over. The idea being that if Hardy wasn't in condition to
perform, they could cover it with a brawl (Thus the last minute No DQ stipulation) and they would keep it short, send everyone home happy and not have
to do anything major.
While you might consider that "unprofessional", it's hardly the first time a wrestler has worked a match screwed up. TNA only went with it,
because Sting and Hardy both agreed.
So what went wrong? Sting called the match early. Perhaps because of Hardy's stalling (which I think Hardy was actually doing to help pad the
match out but may have been misread by Sting) or because Sting's too old for this crap, he quickly ended the match. Hardy was caught off guard,
because he expected them to wrestle in a short, but fun brawl.
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The Threadkiller
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 02:31 PM |
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It certainly looks like Sting called the match early. I also wonder whether he legit stomped Bischoff's hand holding the mic following the
no-DQ stip. He had to be pissed that Bischoff wanted him to cover for Hardy by going the no-DQ route and taking a beating, especially if he was
booked to win this match and Bischoff flipped it on the audible.
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G-Spot
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 06:29 PM |
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quote:
http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/headlines/302183841.shtml
Who's to blame? Well, Sting called the match early. So if you're going to get technical, it's Sting who shortchanged the fans.
However, obviously showing up screwed up is Hardy's fault.
Why didn't TNA replace Hardy? Largely because they've been trying to build up a storyline keeping Anderson away from the belt and it
didn't make a whole helluva lot of sense to throw a last minute replacement in there. According to my sources, TNA was confident that they were
going to get a 5-10 minute match and that everyone was cool with that. When Sting called things off the way he did, TNA were caught completely
unprepared.
Ultimately nobody was really mad at Sting, but it was too late for TNA to do anything about it. Hardy was mad because he felt he could still deliver a
decent little brawl (and probably could have) and Sting was mad because he had been put in this situation to begin with.
To answer your second question, no I wouldn't fire Hardy. Yeah, he's a screw up. He still makes TNA a lot of money. Firing Jeff Hardy
would be like CBS firing Charlie Sheen... It doesn't benefit anyone but Hardy. A better course of action is to suspend him (which is seems
they're doing) and milk the fact that Sting slaughtered him at the PPV.
So they say Sting shortchanged the fans? Can you blame him? Why would anyone want to risk getting injured from someone who should not have been in the
ring in the first place? I'm sure Sting wanted to teach Hardy, and probably TNA as well, a lesson.
And they actually allowed Hardy to go out there in the first place? That has to be the stupidest thing yet!
Then they say they wouldn't fire Hardy, because of the money he brings in? Well, how much money will he bring in when he shows up next time,
completely unable to work, or even no-shows, because TNA have kept enabling him? How much money will he make them, when he is found somewhere dead
from an OD, because they kept enabling him? How much money will he make them, when he does injure someone, and nobody will want to work with him? If
he is allowed to keep getting away with this shit, with only a slap on the wrist, he will continue to push the boundaries, until something bad
actually happens, and then TNA will take a major hit for not cracking down hard to begin with. Hardy has continually shown he will not get
help/treatment. He hasn't shown any real remorse at what's happened in the past. I almost hope he is put away for couple of years.
If this isn't a work, then it is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in TNA, and professional wrestling. Let's face it, Vince would
never have even thought to put a guy out there and potentially harm himself or others. Why TNA would do it, is beyond imagining.
*Edited to add firewoman's link to the quotes*
[Edited on 3-15-2011 by G-Spot]
[Edited on 3-15-2011 by G-Spot]
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Fifth Horseman
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The above says it all for me, but I also have to ask - how much money does Jeff Hardy actually bring in for TNA? I'm not being facetious, I
would really like to know how - aside from the 26 items they have listed in the TNA Shopzone under his name - they quantify it. Because I also
suspect the merch isn't worth the trouble.
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firewoman
Man of a Thousand Holds
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 06:57 PM |
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Like I said, I can't vouch for the website.
Here's what doesn't feel right.
It's clear from the video that after Sting comes down
1. Hebner makes the Dreaded X
2. Hebner goes to the corner to talk to someone in a blue shirt.
3. THEN Bischoff comes out, and talks off the mic with both men.
Backstage you've got Bischoff, Hogan, Russo, Jarrett, Flair, Al Snow, DLo....LOTS of guys that have been in the business for a while. This
isn't the first rodeo for ANY of them, and while I don't always LIKE what they come up with, the totally craptacular way this ends makes
me think this really WAS booking on the fly.
So either they didn't know he was high (he could have hidden in his dressing room after working out the match with Sting earlier) or they
didn't know how high he was.
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punkerhardcore
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| posted on 3-15-2011 at 06:59 PM |
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quote:
Firing Jeff Hardy would be like CBS firing Charlie Sheen... It doesn't benefit anyone but Hardy.
It doesn't benefit Hardy at all... what a completely stupid notion by the person who wrote this. Sheen is a major, mainstream celebrity, who
could go to a ton of different networks that are all as high in profile as CBS. What would Hardy do if fired? I doubt the WWE would take him back
at this point, so he'd have to tour around with the indies for the rest of his career, or maybe open a school or something.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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