SpiNNeR72
Showstopper  
Posts 560
Registered 10-21-2006 Location Shetland Member Is Offline Mood: Amused!
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 09:10 PM |
|
|
Gotta be Ryback by that logic.
Heel or Face I think its safe to say most people would rather have Shamus around.
However it is totally understandable why either of them would, at this time, be tempted to move on somewhere where they have a real shot of being
"the" star.
As for the Austin Podcast rumors, all good and very likely to happen, with the exception of the Undertaker.
It would fucking rule, but I can't see him appearing on anything like that, at least for now.
[Edited on 3-14-2016 by SpiNNeR72]
|
|
|
Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
Posts 5152
Registered 1-19-2008 Location basement Member Is Offline Mood: 2WeeksToDunkleMania!
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 09:20 PM |
|
|
I can't think of any of them that are dumb enough to walk away from a dream job. Barrett stands out because it could be a case of him not
realizing, like DB was until he had to face up to the facts, that he's too injury-prone to be considered a top player anymore. Another one might
be ADR if he thinks he hasn't gotten the push he wanted when he returned but in his interviews he seems like a pretty mellow guy and he's
happy to be back. Sheamus? Maybe, but like Barrett the injuries are what's harming him because apparently the company still loves the big lug.
The only one I could think of could be Lesnar. He didn't hold back a few months ago on saying that he was pissed off at losing his cut of PPV
revenue due to the way the existence of the Network has changed the old system of payouts. Maybe he wants to do more appearances but WWE simply
doesn't want to pony up the cash for him to do that, or that they want to keep his appearances sporadic in order to maintain his mystique as The
Beast. Can't plausibly deny from his past career decisions that he has a big head and if a known troublemaker like Sable's back home
telling him he deserves better maybe he wants out again.
Be funny if it was Roman Reigns who wants to go elsewhere where the fans won't shit all over him because his ego can't take the criticism
and booing anymore. Hey, what's Greece Dominus doing in the Impact Zone, Josh? 
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
|
|
|
denverpunk
The Rowdy One
Posts 2347
Registered 6-27-2007 Location Mile-Hi Member Is Offline Mood: Stoked
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 09:26 PM |
|
|
I could see it being Sheamus, who has gone from WWE champ to jobbing to New Day in the past year. I think it'd be dumb for him to leave, but
it's not beyond imagination that he's unhappy.
EDIT: Oooh, I just saw Crunk mention Cody. That I could see. He has the talent and the gimmick to be at least in the upper-middle card, and
there he is jobbing to Zack Ryder on Superstars. I could totally see him in 'fuck this company' mode.
[Edited on 3-14-2016 by denverpunk]
|
|
|
Seanofthedead
Turd Generation Superstar
Posts 23
Registered 1-3-2009 Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 09:56 PM |
|
|
I can't see it being Breeze. While he's clearly getting a raw deal at the moment, he's meant to be one of HHH's projects and I
could see him being told to ride out this rough patch. I'd even say that since his sudden non-push, I've been pleasantly surprised that he
hasn't been Adam Rose'd where his character was buried. In fact whilst he's been totally removed from anything of note, when he has
wrestled on TV it's been in loses to champions, so I kinda hope someone is still looking out for him and protecting him for when the dust has
settled from whatever caused his 'fall' from favour. Plus for someone who's wanted this his whole life, would you give it up after 6
months? He's not the first person to experience this.
Someone like Cody Rhodes or Sheamus seems more likely - particularly Sheamus given Barrett is off, they're both from the Beitish Isles and
don't they travel together.
|
|
|
CM Crunk
Showstopper
Posts 945
Registered 7-20-2011 Location The Coachella Valley, California Member Is Offline Mood: BEAVERLUTION!
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 10:00 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
I could see it being Sheamus, who has gone from WWE champ to jobbing to New Day in the past year. I think it'd be dumb for him to leave, but
it's not beyond imagination that he's unhappy.
EDIT: Oooh, I just saw Crunk mention Cody. That I could see. He has the talent and the gimmick to be at least in the upper-middle card, and
there he is jobbing to Zack Ryder on Superstars. I could totally see him in 'fuck this company' mode.
[Edited on 3-14-2016 by denverpunk]
Sheamus I'm split on. On one hand he probably covers the "fans will be happy that he gave notice" criteria. But--aside from him just taking
some time off before eventually resigning I just don't see him going anywhere just solely for the fact that he's a Triple H guy.
Cody...oh Cody, Cody, Cody. I absolutely love the Stardust gimmick, and think they missed out big time on elevating him (along with The Ascension)
last year. But perhaps it's finally run it's course. He did seem to be wrestling with a chip on his shoulder on Saturday at
Roadblock. But I can't imagine the average fan being "happy" that he's given his notice. Unless that "happy" is based off of the great
things he could do elsewhere? Probably not, because it's the internet and everyone is a fucking shithead.
I'm not giving up on Cody. Or Stardust. Stardust can still work, damnit.
You are the vulgarian, you fuck!
|
|
|
CM Crunk
Showstopper
Posts 945
Registered 7-20-2011 Location The Coachella Valley, California Member Is Offline Mood: BEAVERLUTION!
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 10:18 PM |
|
|
Looks like Mick Foley's getting his own show on The WWE Network...
quote:
Courtesy of
PWInsider.com
The WWE Network will be officially launching a new series starring WWE Hall of Famer Mick Foley, with his daughter Noelle heavily featured,
PWInsider.com has learned.
We are told that a pilot for the show is already completed, is said to be very funny, and that the company is working on plans for the series right
now. Foley had a stand-up comedy special on the WWE Network previously, but we are told this is more in line with the weekly series Edge and
Christian have on the Network right now.
Foley is currently in the midst of his annual charity raffle for a Wrestlemania 32 weekend experience with all proceeds going to RAINN, the Rape,
Abuse and Incest National Network. For complete details on that raffle, how you can enter, what you could win and most importantly, how you can
assist a very worthy charity, visit www.RealMickFoley.com.
Between this and Austin's comments about holding back on his opinions so as not to rock the boat, it seems as if WWE's best bet at
silencing the critiques of their most respected alumni is to just offer them a show on The Network. All snark aside, it's always nice to see
Mick.
...
Coming this summer: Look out Anthony Bourdain! WWE Legend Bret "The Hitman" Hart returns to the WWE airwaves with his new travelogue show "Staring
Wistfully Out The Window Of A Tim Hortons" only on the award winning WWE NETWORK!
[Edited on 3/14/2016 by CM Crunk]
You are the vulgarian, you fuck!
|
|
|
Gobshite
The Great One 
Posts 3206
Registered 1-30-2004 Location Right here, in Birmingham, England!! Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 10:52 PM |
|
|
Breeze can't really be THAT pissed... It might just be my only half paying attention to him in NXT, but he was never portrayed as a threat in
NXT, he always lost the important matches... So his place on the main roster card isn't exactly surprising.
If he thinks he's being mis used now... Former NXT champion Big E was stuck in a rut before New Day... Hell, even when New Day started, nobody
envisioned they'd end up where they are now. He needs to stick with it, he'll get a decent crack eventually- there's no guarantee
it'll be in 2016, but he will get a shot.
I also imagine it has to be someone who's contract is due for renewal this year. So anyone who has signed a main roster deal within the past
year (including Breeze) is out of the running.
I have six invites I can crash out for membership to pwtorrents.net - if you want one, U2U me!
|
|
|
Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
Posts 5152
Registered 1-19-2008 Location basement Member Is Offline Mood: 2WeeksToDunkleMania!
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 11:13 PM |
|
|
I'd be pissed off too if I was taken out of a storyline with Summer Rae for no reason the way Breeze was. Like her BFF Renee Young said about
her "seriously, have you guys even seen that ass?!?!?".
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
|
|
|
bigfatgoalie
The Man
Posts 6074
Registered 1-16-2002 Location Stratusphere Member Is Offline Mood: Stratusfied
|
| posted on 3-14-2016 at 11:32 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* The rumors of internal strife at the WWE won't die. There is a great deal of scuttlebutt backstage regarding problems between Vince and
StepHHH. Details are scarce but the return of Shane either was a reaction to those problems or further escalated them. Interesting to see if this
"rift" is real. Everyone took for granted that StepHHH would take over the company once Vince had moved on. With Shane's return and the
"issues" between Vince and StepHHH, the future ownership and direction of the company might be in doubt now. Count me on Team Shane.
And to make sure I'm clear...Triple H's actual work as a exec is not a sign that he'd be good at running the WWE/would give the IWC
a more enjoyable product. But Shane WOULD be good at the job because? Fuck Triple H? Tacos?
Ignoring actual information based on hatred is Drumpf levels of stupid.
|
|
|
Flash
The Rowdy One
Posts 2618
Registered 4-22-2005 Location Brantford, Ontario Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 12:56 AM |
|
|
I think the appeal of a Shane McMahon usurping of the long await ascension of StepHHH to the top spot is because it feels like a fresh a voice.... the
thing is, if most rumours are to be believed we probably haven't genuinely gotten a look at what StepHHH would do as Vince has long micromanaged
everything so the two heir apparent's have been forced to work within his framework.
There's probably a tipping point when you go from being the great future hope to one of the much hated "They".... Shane has literally become
an outsider, and thus a fresher breath of hope and rallying point for change because he took off to see what he could do under his own name.
Going way back to years ago Shane was supposedly really good to work with; while that's nice and all, kudos to Stephanie for putting in the time
and hours to do all the tough every day stuff.... so I could see how both would have their good and bad points.... not saying either one isn't
capable of succeeding, but it's just as likely that Shane could get lost in the now very corporate structure of the WWE as it is that Stephanie
and her rumoured to be pretty approachable by talent hubby HHH won't be prepared to put their own stamp on the show once it's theirs
entirely... both are just as possible.
Honestly, I'm guessing Shane takes a powder down the line from the business again. Not that it isn't in his blood, but by all accounts
Vince isn't the easiest to work with, and it's probably tougher coming into that snake pit once you've been your own man elsewhere,
AND have to potentially opposed your very entrenched sister and borther-in-law down the line.
|
|
|
S Kid J E T S 48
The Immortal One 
Posts 4053
Registered 10-12-2007 Location New York Member Is Offline Mood: Acute
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 01:06 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
* Cageside Seats is reporting that a rather well known superstar gave his notice immediately after his match on RAW. No indication on who that was.
ETA: Flash posted this seconds before I did.
Had originally heard this in a different context without the "wrestled on Raw" part (which probably means I'm wrong with it better defined),
but when I heard we'll enjoy the guy who is leaving, the first guy I thought of was Damien Sandow, who has been completely forgotten about and
we can all agree needs a new start.
Can't imagine being happy about most top-end guys leaving, even Breeze, when it's a big step down going elsewhere (though someone like
Sheamus would probably kill it in Japan), so that's the perspective I got from that news.
quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
I'm not giving up on Cody. Or Stardust. Stardust can still work, damnit.
100x this.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
|
|
|
nOOb
The Man 
Posts 6555
Registered 5-24-2004 Member Is Offline Mood: Hot Dog!
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 01:33 AM |
|
|
Isn't Shane McMahon the same guy who thinks of cruiserweights as "flippy shit" and stated he hasn't cared about tag team wrestling since
the Road Warriors? He's a good business man, but we have literally zero idea what he'll be running the show. Triple H and Stephanie have
at least shown that they're willing to create a Diva's division that has weened itself off of relying on a reality TV show and hiring and
building up talent under 6'6" and 275lbs.
"The Seahawks are cool. Me and Tubby here hung out with them once at a Bruno Mars concert."-Jay and Silent Bob representing the Broncos on FOX NFL
Sunday.
|
|
|
S Kid J E T S 48
The Immortal One
Posts 4053
Registered 10-12-2007 Location New York Member Is Offline Mood: Acute
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 01:43 AM |
|
|
Post-Vince, I just can't see any of them alone having all the instincts and skills to run every part of WWE like one person does now. For
better or worse, it's hard to argue what a unique type of CEO Vince McMahon is and it's hard to replicate his work ethic and commitment to
having absolutely no life out of wrestling.
That sure doesn't seem like something shared by the next generation. They might eat and drink it but they might not sleep it.
Not that it is anywhere near a requisite for the position, but with that in mind, there's sure enough of a business to split between the 3 of
them that can each fit their strengths. HHH clearly has his strengths with talent. Stephanie has a lot of the relations stuff down, along with
creative. Shane has always seemed good with business and digital ends of things. Obviously there will be contention to see who gets the top position,
but if they can actually get Vince to commit to a succession plan in the next 5 years, maybe they can do it with some ease that we don't really
expect right now.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
|
|
|
Foxcalibur
Fella
Posts 375
Registered 12-18-2014 Location San Francisco Member Is Offline Mood: Paid for the drivel
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 07:15 AM |
|
|
So, ol' Foxy would e shocked to learn there's any real heat around Shane's return to WWE.
This is the exact sort of thing WWE would let leak, thinking themselves all slick as they tap into the IWC zeitgeist. The downfall of StepHHH? The
potential whimsical wonderment of Shane taking over (despite no evidence he'd excel at the job even IF he wanted it)? They're feeding us
meta catnip to make us give fucks about in-story McMahon Family Drama(tm). Please, spare your fucks. You never know when you'll need them.
Most likely, Shane is here for a short stint to breathe some fresh life into the product, maybe give creative a break from the utterly lame Authority
for a while. He'll go executive it up elsewhere soon enough. At worst, Steph's historically brittle ego might be sharp-elbowed with her
brother, precisely because he comes and goes while she's a lifer. But I'm sure everyone still knows where they stand.
There almost certainly is no "Old King Vince calls back Good Prince Shane to save the kingdom from Evil Princess Stephanye and her scheming husband
Lord Haitchingforde" going on.
If there is, sign me up for Lord Haitchingforde's Dark Legion. We're not actually gonna see his full vision enacted until Vince dies or
has a stroke (neither of which I'm looking forward to) but I have a feeling quality will shoot way up.
NXT: It's like WWE, but fun!
|
|
|
CCharger
The Rowdy One 
Posts 2581
Registered 7-21-2010 Member Is OnlineMood: Obtuse
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 04:35 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
And to make sure I'm clear...Triple H's actual work as a exec is not a sign that he'd be good at running the WWE/would give the IWC
a more enjoyable product. But Shane WOULD be good at the job because? Fuck Triple H?
I could be snarky and reply "Well, how do YOU know Triple H would?", but it is actually a good question, and I will deign to reply. You're
probably trolling and fixing for a fight (that's kind of your gimmick around here, isn't it?), but I'm going to remain respectful
and try (try being the key word) to engage in some informed dialogue.
First, Shane has actually run a huge corporation before. HHH, well, hasn't. Shane is the chairman and principal executive officer of YOU on
Demand Holdings and was also Chief Executive Officer before relinquishing the position in July 2013. So Shane has real experience being the boss of a
company. Shane's been a head coach for six years. Triple H has only been an assistant coach for five. That's a pretty big difference,
no?
In terms of quality of content, mabey (ha!) you like the watered down, sanitized, mediocre product that the WWE has put out for the last 10 - 12
years. I know I haven't, and I'd say most of the IWC has been frustrated too . Who's been in charge of Creative during that time?
HHH or his wife Stephanie.
Shane, on the other hand, has been well known to be innovative and interesting creatively. Anecdotally, it was Shane who convinced his father to
emulate ECW and give the product a rougher edge which ushered in the Attitude Era. Shane also lobbied to have Vince buy ECW and run it as a separate
company rather than as a WWE brand. Same with WCW. Vince's ego fucked up both of those ideas.
Shane was also savvy enough to see the potential popularity of MMA before his father and many others did. He lobbied his father to buy UFC while the
price was right and his father passed. He finally convinced his father to buy PRIDE in 2006, but the deal fell through.
Corey Bauer, a long time member of the Creative Team, has this to say about Shane's occasional drop ins at the writing meetings:
�I liked his approach. It was very playful, and really just an exciting, �What if we did this?�� If you went into Shane�s department, it was fun,
laid-back, loose vibes. The energy and positivity wasn�t there in Creative the way it was in Digital. When it came out [in 2009] that he was leaving
the company, I spoke to people at WWE, a lot of people were walking around like someone had died. �Oh gosh, he�s going to leave us?��
Now, typically, your defense of HHH usually resembles something along the lines of:
NXT is great. No doubt. But ask yourself, how hands on is HHH with the creative aspect of NXT? He's on the road on Monday and Tuesdays, and
returns to Stamford for the rest of the week. In fact, the lead writer for NXT Ryan Ward (who was recently promoted to lead writer for Smackdown) has
been given much of the credit for the storylines and angles on the show. Before his passing, Dusty was the booker, not HHH. Despite claims that NXT is
"his baby", the truth is that HHH isn't sitting in gorilla at every show on the headsets calling all the shots, and he doesn't
micromanage the writing process. If you are going to give credit to HHH for NXT, it should be that he delegated the authority to good, experienced
people. Methinks this is yet another example of HHH taking credit for something he is tangentially responsible for. The success of NXT gives very
little indication of what HHH would do in Vince's spot.
There's another aspect of HHH and that is his wife. This isn't just about favoring Shane over HHH. It's about favoring Shane over
StepHHH - a fact you conveniently overlooked. Stephanie has far more experience in creative than Trips does. HHH has been in charge of creative since
2013. Prior to that, Stephanie ran it for 11 years. Eleven pretty meh to miserable years. Thanks to her, we now have overly scripted promos that take
up the first 30 minutes of RAW and pro wrestling becoming sports entertainment. With HHH in charge, we had Cena/Orton/Reigns pushed ahead of the
uber-popular Daniel Bryan and booking himself to win the title by literally beating nearly the entire roster. Brilliant! Let's not forget taking
the the white hot CM Punk and putting him against...Kevin Nash! And then booking himself to beat the white hot CM Punk before heading back into
retirement. SMART SO SMART
So perhaps we DO need to ask the question: what makes you think StepHHH would be great at running the company?
Let's not forget that by most accounts Stephanie is a NIGHTMARE to work for, and that HHH has taken enough heat from shoot interviews to fill up
his own YouTube channel. On the other hand, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone saying anything negative about Shane. Now, you might like the
hard nosed, cut throat, corporate asshole boss. In my opinion, morale goes a long way in building a successful company.
So, let's sum this up. First, Shane has run a major company. StepHHH have not. The rather large sample size of StepHHH running creative and
putting out IWC-friendly product is lackluster at best and horrible at worst. If NXT is your go-to for Trip's creative brilliance, then you are
building your house on sand and not rock. Shane, meanwhile, has a track record of being innovative and ahead of the curve. Lastly, Shane is well-liked
and respected in the industry, whereas StepHHH's reputations as bosses is rather horrifying.
I'm not sure what your angle is. Do you have some quantitative evidence that PROVES StepHHH would make a great bosses of WWE? Please share it. I
don't have quantitative evidence that PROVES Shane would be a better boss either. Those are called opinions, and opinions can't be proven.
The difference is that I have evidence to support my opinion. Do you?
So, I'll turn your last, needless invective against you: ignoring actual information based on hatred is Drumpf levels of stupid. In this case,
the hatred is what you have for me, and the stupid one is you.
quote:
Tacos?
I fucking love tacos. There's a food truck near the penitentiary where I work, and I walk down there sometimes (except when it's raining)
and I get the carne asada tacos with extra guacamole. Fucking delicious.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
|
|
|
denverpunk
The Rowdy One
Posts 2347
Registered 6-27-2007 Location Mile-Hi Member Is Offline Mood: Stoked
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 05:03 PM |
|
|
Getting away from from all of that, the sheets say that Neville broke his ankle and shinbone against Y2J. Horrible luck for him.
|
|
|
Paddlefoot
Rocco Rock of Jabroni
Posts 5152
Registered 1-19-2008 Location basement Member Is Offline Mood: 2WeeksToDunkleMania!
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 05:20 PM |
|
|
StepHHH have Vince & Bukkky breathing down their necks every day in a manner that probably doesn't happen in Digital or any other department of
the company. The worst I heard about being in Creative came from guys like Freddie Prinze and Kevin Eck who (after they left the company) said it
wasn't terrible to work there but it was really intense and that everyone in the department really had to keep on their toes. That's to be
expected when in one or two seconds an injury in the ring can instantaneously derail an entire year's worth of storylines. Or in a department
where one of the quirkiest uber-bosses in the whole corporate world can change his mind on a whim not just before a match but even do it during a
match. No one said either that Shane doesn't have a great mind for the business but it's not a matter of taking sides here. Shane is good
at his job but then again, if the chaotic interference from Vince & Dunn came to a spontaneous end, StepHHH are probably great at their job too. So
what if Hunter's delegated a lot of tasks in NXT to able minds? That means he doesn't get credit for his baby turning out to be so
entertaining because it's a noted feature of all great bosses everywhere that they will delegate tasks to as many talented people as possible.
In contrast it's the shitty bosses that try to do everything on their own and keep pulling the rug out from underneath their subordinates
because they don't trust them or are jealous of them racking up their own accomplishments. Every one of us probably knows this ourselves because
if we're lucky every once in a while we get to work with the former kind of boss even though more often than not we're stuck with the
latter kind.
I'd also point out that even if Hunter's time as a boss at NXT hasn't been as long as Shane's was with his projects when he
left WWE, he's also been at the center of a lot of WWF/WWE activities for close to twenty years now. Wrestler, booker, public relations,
executive suite. He's pretty much a classic incarnation of someone who's worked his way up from scrubbing the toilets to a corner office
on the top floor. That's someone to be admired for working his ass off for a long time to get where he is now. I wouldn't go by shoot
interviews as evidence for him being some kind of mega-asshole, not when the majority of those shoot interviews usually involve someone who royally
fucked up their own careers and lives with their own stupid and aberrant personal behaviours. I have to agree with someone that says StepHHH are the
worst people that ever lived because some drugged-out fucking whore like Chyna or a genuine real-life lunatic like Scott Steiner say so? Umm, no, I
don't think so.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
|
|
|
denverpunk
The Rowdy One
Posts 2347
Registered 6-27-2007 Location Mile-Hi Member Is Offline Mood: Stoked
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 05:37 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
StepHHH have Vince & Bukkky breathing down their necks every day in a manner that probably doesn't happen in Digital or any other department of
the company. The worst I heard about being in Creative came from guys like Freddie Prinze and Kevin Eck who (after they left the company) said it
wasn't terrible to work there but it was really intense and that everyone in the department really had to keep on their toes. That's to be
expected when in one or two seconds an injury in the ring can instantaneously derail an entire year's worth of storylines. Or in a department
where one of the quirkiest uber-bosses in the whole corporate world can change his mind on a whim not just before a match but even do it during a
match. No one said either that Shane doesn't have a great mind for the business but it's not a matter of taking sides here. Shane is good
at his job but then again, if the chaotic interference from Vince & Dunn came to a spontaneous end, StepHHH are probably great at their job too. So
what if Hunter's delegated a lot of tasks in NXT to able minds? That means he doesn't get credit for his baby turning out to be so
entertaining because it's a noted feature of all great bosses everywhere that they will delegate tasks to as many talented people as possible.
In contrast it's the shitty bosses that try to do everything on their own and keep pulling the rug out from underneath their subordinates
because they don't trust them or are jealous of them racking up their own accomplishments. Every one of us probably knows this ourselves because
if we're lucky every once in a while we get to work with the former kind of boss even though more often than not we're stuck with the
latter kind.
I'd also point out that even if Hunter's time as a boss at NXT hasn't been as long as Shane's was with his projects when he
left WWE, he's also been at the center of a lot of WWF/WWE activities for close to twenty years now. Wrestler, booker, public relations,
executive suite. He's pretty much a classic incarnation of someone who's worked his way up from scrubbing the toilets to a corner office
on the top floor. That's someone to be admired for working his ass off for a long time to get where he is now. I wouldn't go by shoot
interviews as evidence for him being some kind of mega-asshole, not when the majority of those shoot interviews usually involve someone who royally
fucked up their own careers and lives with their own stupid and aberrant personal behaviours. I have to agree with someone that says StepHHH are the
worst people that ever lived because some drugged-out fucking whore like Chyna or a genuine real-life lunatic like Scott Steiner say so? Umm, no, I
don't think so.
You pretty much beat me to it.
I think HHH doesn't get as much credit as he should because he's HHH, one of the more hateable on-screen characters of recent memory, and
a lot of that hate is probably deserved. At the same time, whether he is in the gorilla position at NXT or not, his hands are on that
organization, while Vince is mostly absent. Any boss has to delegate to the right people (like Shane is said he would), but Trips is clearly doing
that at NXT.
The most damning bit on recent Triple H was his booking of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, as Charger mentioned, and those are worthy arguments, but we have
to remember who is above StepHHH in the hierarchy and who really makes decisions in main roster WWE, and that man is Vince. He's the one who
singlehandedly ends pushes because he just feels like it. There are wrestlers (many of whom we like) who the hated Triple H wants to have larger
roles, but Vince overrides those wishes.
Let's be serious - I like Shane and I think he would be a fine CEO of WWE, but he ain't running anything anytime soon, and I'm not
even sure if he wants to. If he stays with the company, he'll probably have a very important role, but StepHHH, who have never left, are not
losing their spots to someone who left the company for eight years.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by denverpunk]
|
|
|
CCharger
The Rowdy One
Posts 2581
Registered 7-21-2010 Member Is OnlineMood: Obtuse
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 07:46 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
StepHHH have Vince & Bukkky breathing down their necks every day in a manner that probably doesn't happen in Digital or any other department of
the company.
This is a fair point. Vince always has the final say over everything. However, if you don't think StepHHH (as former and current EVP of
Creative) have their fingerprints ALL over the last 12 years of storylines, angles, character development and match finishes, I don't know what
to tell you. It is quite possible that Vince has been the stop-gap for even WORSE ideas.
quote:
The worst I heard about being in Creative came from guys like Freddie Prinze and Kevin Eck who (after they left the company) said it
wasn't terrible to work there but it was really intense and that everyone in the department really had to keep on their toes. That's to be
expected when in one or two seconds an injury in the ring can instantaneously derail an entire year's worth of storylines. Or in a department
where one of the quirkiest uber-bosses in the whole corporate world can change his mind on a whim not just before a match but even do it during a
match.
Fair point, but I'm not sure this fits into the larger point here. Also, there are plenty of anecdotes of Stephane being as much of a mercurial,
micro-managing, ball buster as her father.
quote:
No one said either that Shane doesn't have a great mind for the business but it's not a matter of taking sides here.
You could argue that Vince never had a great creative mind. Vince's strength has always been his business acumen and salesmanship. Sure, StepHHH
MIGHT (and as I said before the sample size says otherwise) be better than Vince creatively, but neither of them will be better than Vince the
businessman. Here's another quote from Bauer:
"I don't think he is a prolific mind. I don't think he is able to fill Vince McMahon's shoes because no one can. When Vince was at
his best, was a guy that could do marketing, a guy that could cut deals with licensing people like Mattel, LJN, Hasbro -- whatever it was. He was a
guy that could cut deals with Donald Trump, that could get on NBC with Dick Ebersol. He was able to create stars and be all these things and wear so
many hats. Executive producer, brander, marketing guy, the final say with booking. Just being the president of a company, the CEO of a company -- he
wore a lot of hats. I don't really think Hunter could do that."
Shane is more like his dad that way. His strength is his business acumen, but he is also sharp creatively.
quote:
So what if Hunter's delegated a lot of tasks in NXT to able minds? That means he doesn't get credit for his baby turning out to be
so entertaining because it's a noted feature of all great bosses everywhere that they will delegate tasks to as many talented people as
possible. In contrast it's the shitty bosses that try to do everything on their own and keep pulling the rug out from underneath their
subordinates because they don't trust them or are jealous of them racking up their own accomplishments. Every one of us probably knows this
ourselves because if we're lucky every once in a while we get to work with the former kind of boss even though more often than not we're
stuck with the latter kind.
So HHH is a genius because NXT is his "baby" and "his brainchild" or because he's "hands off" and he "delegates"? It can't be
both. Either NXT is great because of HHH's amazing vision and ideas and management or it's great because he delegates that vision, those
ideas, and that management to others. It seems like you guys are hellbent on associating something we all like (NXT) with HHH and somehow assume that
means WWE will be like NXT when HHH takes over. Do you not see the mental gymnastics necessary to arrive at that notion?
quote:
I'd also point out that even if Hunter's time as a boss at NXT hasn't been as long as Shane's was with his projects
when he left WWE, he's also been at the center of a lot of WWF/WWE activities for close to twenty years now. Wrestler, booker, public relations,
executive suite.
Shane McMahon has been in the wrestling business literally his entire life. He began on teh ring crew, became a referee after college and four years
later entered the business end of WWE working his way up from sales and marketing to EVP of Global Marketing. Let's not mention his lengthy and
successful in-ring career as a performer. He has as much, if not more, knowledge of the wrestling business and WWE specifically than HHH.
quote:
He's pretty much a classic incarnation of someone who's worked his way up from scrubbing the toilets to a corner office on the top
floor. That's someone to be admired for working his ass off for a long time to get where he is now.
LOL
You mean, being taken in and taught the dirty politics of wrestling by Shawn Michaels and the Kliq? Then three years later, fucking and marrying the
boss's daughter, who also happened to be in charge of Creative (IF YOU LIKE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST GIVE ME A HELL YEAH) and parlaying that into a
14 championship career and a C-Suite level job? Yup. He's a real grinder.
Shane on the other hand, actually quit his easy gig working for his dad to strike out on his own and have success without his family's help. In
my book, that is more admirable than achieving success because you make Vince's daughter squeal at night.
quote:
I wouldn't go by shoot interviews as evidence for him being some kind of mega-asshole, not when the majority of those shoot interviews
usually involve someone who royally fucked up their own careers and lives with their own stupid and aberrant personal behaviours.
What people? Corey Bauer? Ivory? CM Punk? Paul London? Bret Hart? Granted, most if not all have an axe to grind, and shoot interviews aren't
anything to put too much weight into. But it does provide a little snapshot into have many people have had negative interactions with him. This
isn't Chyna or Scott Steiner. These are stable, intelligent, legitmate workers who have bad opinions of HHH and more than one have said he would
be bad for WWE.
quote:
I have to agree with someone that says StepHHH are the worst people that ever lived
Now you're moving the bar. I never said they are the worst people that ever lived. My point was and is that in a choice between StepHHH and
Shane to run WWE, I'd choose Shane for reasons that I spelled out earlier. Call me a fool blinded by HHH-hate, but it's just not true. HHH
is a character on a TV show. I also don't hate Paul Levesque. I think he has manipulated, politicked and pulled off some pretty shitty and dumb
things, and I think the product that the WWE puts out is worse because of him and his wife, but I don't hate him, and I am certainly not
blinded.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by CCharger]
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
|
|
|
merc
Showstopper
Posts 761
Registered 2-23-2006 Location New England Member Is Offline Mood: Where's MiCasa?
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 08:28 PM |
|
|
Whew, I'd like to thank you all for MOFO HUGE LAUGHS! (Except the Neville info ).
Time to remember that what you see on TV is FAKE. Made the fuck up, by fairly poor writers conveying direction from some group of leaders who may or
my not be visionary. To theorize on power structure based off of the televised program is awesomely funny. Thank you all!
I'd guess, this storyline provides opportunity for Stephen & HHH to learn other parts of what has become a major business, whilst letting number
one son reacquaint himself with production.
Sorry for any buzz kill. Please resume
#bertopostsmatter #Bertoiswinning
|
|
|
punkerhardcore
American Dream 
Posts 7620
Registered 7-16-2005 Member Is Offline Mood: Lickable
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 08:30 PM |
|
|
As if there's never been power struggles behind the scenes in a wrestling company before?
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
|
|
|
GodEatGod
Showstopper 
Posts 820
Registered 1-14-2004 Location Monroe, LA Member Is Offline Mood: Weird
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 08:50 PM |
|
|
I think the truth is simply somewhere in between - probably some of the great ideas have been HHH, some have been Vince, some have been Steph, some
have been writer X, Y, or Z. And some of the horrid, shitbag ideas have been from the same sources. Most people in any creative endeavor create a
mixture of good and bad. George Lucas created the original Star Wars trilogy, but he also created the prequels.
Making creative, entertaining shit on a consistent basis is really hard. That's why two thirds of movies suck. That's why there are bins
full of paperback books that no one ever reads. And that's just measuring by commercial success, which is no reliable indicator of quality.
We just don't know very much. Even insider sources are almost always slanted, have an agenda or are just an opinion half of the time, not even
counting the fact that they probably actively work the internet intentionally now.
Shane has had great business ventures. WWE, in spite of the complaints of many here, has been doing just fine, too - it's not Attitude Era, but
it's never going to be. The media environment's changed, nothing gets that kind of viewership anymore except the NFL.
I'm not saying that all is rosy and that HHH is the cure for all ills. He isn't. Neither is Shane. No matter who takes over, WWE will
continue as it always has - sometimes good, sometimes lousy and often stumbling its way into the next big thing.
I'm encouraged by HHH because I at least know he likes some of what I like, judging on who's been signed to NXT and how that product is
presented. Whether he's wholly responsible for it or not, he seems quite pleased with it and considers it successful. If that product is what
makes him happy, I feel good about his plans, at the very least. Shane is an entirely unknown quantity - I have no idea about his taste or what
wrestling he think is good. So, if forced to choose, I would choose the devil I know.
"It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don't like something, it is empirically not good. I don't like
Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
|
|
|
CCharger
The Rowdy One
Posts 2581
Registered 7-21-2010 Member Is OnlineMood: Obtuse
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 08:54 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I think the truth is simply somewhere in between - probably some of the great ideas have been HHH, some have been Vince, some have been Steph, some
have been writer X, Y, or Z. And some of the horrid, shitbag ideas have been from the same sources. Most people in any creative endeavor create a
mixture of good and bad. George Lucas created the original Star Wars trilogy, but he also created the prequels.
Making creative, entertaining shit on a consistent basis is really hard. That's why two thirds of movies suck. That's why there are bins
full of paperback books that no one ever reads. And that's just measuring by commercial success, which is no reliable indicator of quality.
We just don't know very much. Even insider sources are almost always slanted, have an agenda or are just an opinion half of the time, not even
counting the fact that they probably actively work the internet intentionally now.
Shane has had great business ventures. WWE, in spite of the complaints of many here, has been doing just fine, too - it's not Attitude Era, but
it's never going to be. The media environment's changed, nothing gets that kind of viewership anymore except the NFL.
I'm not saying that all is rosy and that HHH is the cure for all ills. He isn't. Neither is Shane. No matter who takes over, WWE will
continue as it always has - sometimes good, sometimes lousy and often stumbling its way into the next big thing.
I'm encouraged by HHH because I at least know he likes some of what I like, judging on who's been signed to NXT and how that product is
presented. Whether he's wholly responsible for it or not, he seems quite pleased with it and considers it successful. If that product is what
makes him happy, I feel good about his plans, at the very least. Shane is an entirely unknown quantity - I have no idea about his taste or what
wrestling he think is good. So, if forced to choose, I would choose the devil I know.
While I disagree with you, this post is coherent, well thought out, and fair. Thumbs up.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
|
|
|
royberto
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 84
Registered 2-27-2014 Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 11:36 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
In terms of quality of content, mabey (ha!) you like the watered down, sanitized, mediocre product that the WWE has put out for the last 10 - 12
years. I know I haven't, and I'd say most of the IWC has been frustrated too . Who's been in charge of Creative during that time?
HHH or his wife Stephanie.
Umm, no they haven't. While Steph may have the title, Vince and Kevin Dunn are the ones calling the shots.
Therefore, we really don't know what she is truly capable of on her own. HHH running NXT tells me they both could be very good with Vince and
Dunn completely out of the way.
|
|
|
royberto
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 84
Registered 2-27-2014 Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 3-15-2016 at 11:38 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I'm encouraged by HHH because I at least know he likes some of what I like, judging on who's been signed to NXT and how that product is
presented. Whether he's wholly responsible for it or not, he seems quite pleased with it and considers it successful. If that product is what
makes him happy, I feel good about his plans, at the very least. Shane is an entirely unknown quantity - I have no idea about his taste or what
wrestling he think is good. So, if forced to choose, I would choose the devil I know.
Well, back in the 90's Shane was a big fan of
ECW...
|
|
|
|
