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Umm, no they haven't. While Steph may have the title, Vince and Kevin Dunn are the ones calling the shots. Therefore, we really
don't know what she is truly capable of on her own. HHH running NXT tells me they both could be very good with Vince and Dunn completely out of
the way.
God, I'm going to regret replying to you, but I can't let this slide.
No, Kevin Dunn is not on the Creative team. He is the Executive Vice President in charge of TV Production. He is in charge of producing all the TV
shows, special events, skits, vignettes, entrances, etc. While he may hold great sway over Vince, he is not involved in the creative aspect of WWE. At
all. Period. Meanwhile, Stephanie was on the creative team from 2002 (starting as director of creative) until 2013 (by this time she was Executive
Vice President, Creative. In 2013, Trips was named Executive Vice President, Talent, Live Events, and Creative. However, Trips has been on the
creative team for many years.
So, sorry, Berto, but you are completely and categorically wrong.
As an aside, if you read carefully, you would have seen how I explained that Trips does NOT "run" NXT, and NXT's success probably won't
mean WWE will get better once StepHHH takes over.
ETA: I'm tired of this topic now.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by CCharger]
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Hey baby, I'm come an' blow up that bitch son of goblin then you can I fuck be with a real man.
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posted on 3-16-2016 at 12:20 AM
Microplay'd.
Okay, I probably can't get away with that. I'll see myself out. But I do emphatically agree with pretty-damn-near everything Charger
wrote. Those were good words.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by Count Zero]
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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If we're going to go by shoot interviews as legit evidence then we're obligated to keep in mind that there isn't an interview out
there where anyone says anything good at all about Kevin Dunn, and that the interviews in which he's mentioned generally say he's
Vince's uber-toady. And that Vince will radically alter storylines just on Dunn's recommendation even if they've been carefully put
together and taken a long time to create by StepHHH. It's fairly disingenuous at this stage to say that Dunn is just the boss of the gaffers and
grips who make sure the camera angles are right and the mics are in good working order.
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At the risk of being pedantic, I was responding to the suggestion by Royberto that StepHHH were in charge of Creative in title only and that Dunn was
in charge of Creative. That is just not true. Dunn does hold a great deal of sway over Vince's decision making as I pointed out, but he is
technically not on the Creative team.
Has this reached Trainwreck of the Year levels yet? I'd like to be nominated for something this year.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
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A few pages back I posted some WWE financial information that included some info on Dunn that revealed that at least from a non-talent compensation
standpoint, he's the #1 guy in the WWE. The link also sourced a good amount of stock making up part of his compensation package, and
there's also been stories out there about him buying up a good chunk of WWE stock when it has become available (back when Steph' sold
some, and one of their other VP's)
So if Vince were to keel over tomorrow and the WWE went all Game of Thrones for VKM's Iron Throne; Dunn is a guy who could be one of the more
interesting characters playing behind the scenes as yeah he'd probably lose some of his backstage clout by virtue of having his lips removed
from Vince's rotting corpse (er... well, unless the two have some sort of weird death pact); but between the stock, position as head of
production, tenure, spot on the board of directors, and inner circle status it's unlikely he'd easily be ridden out of town on a rail by
StepHHH as has been speculated in past.... Which makes him someone who could either help or hinder whomsoever is pencilled in to sit in the big boy
chair once Vince goes night night.
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posted on 3-16-2016 at 02:50 AM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
So if Vince were to keel over tomorrow and the WWE went all Game of Thrones for VKM's Iron Throne; Dunn is a guy who could be one of the more
interesting characters playing behind the scenes as yeah he'd probably lose some of his backstage clout by virtue of having his lips removed
from Vince's rotting corpse (er... well, unless the two have some sort of weird death pact)
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posted on 3-16-2016 at 02:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
Dunn is a guy who could be one of the more interesting characters playing behind the scenes as yeah he'd probably lose some of his backstage
clout by virtue of having his lips removed from Vince's rotting corpse (er... well, unless the two have some sort of weird death pact
Edit-- HA! Nice.
[Edited on 3-16-2016 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
HA! Nice.
Edit: Post #911!
[Edited on 3/16/2016 by CM Crunk]
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posted on 3-16-2016 at 02:59 AM
The really funny thing is that's the exact same image I had in my head when I wrote the thing.... Oh Simpson's.... how you've
completely integrated yourselves into our collective consciousness.
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quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
quote:Originally posted by Flash
So if Vince were to keel over tomorrow and the WWE went all Game of Thrones for VKM's Iron Throne; Dunn is a guy who could be one of the more
interesting characters playing behind the scenes as yeah he'd probably lose some of his backstage clout by virtue of having his lips removed
from Vince's rotting corpse (er... well, unless the two have some sort of weird death pact)
Anyone who knows how to transfer this in it's entirety over to another thread should get this one in the Memory Jogger thread as a POTY
candidate ASAP. Well done!
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quote:Originally posted by CCharger
At the risk of being pedantic, I was responding to the suggestion by Royberto that StepHHH were in charge of Creative in title only and that Dunn was
in charge of Creative. That is just not true. Dunn does hold a great deal of sway over Vince's decision making as I pointed out, but he is
technically not on the Creative team.
Has this reached Trainwreck of the Year levels yet? I'd like to be nominated for something this year.
Gonna have to call you on this one because Roy never said, or even suggested, that Dunn was in charge of Creative. You made this one up on your own.
All anyone, including Roy, ever suggested was that Dunn has as much (or even more) influence over Vince as StepHHH does. I don't doubt that
Steph can be a mega-bitch when she wants to because she's a McMahon after all. She's also trying lead a department that regularly gets
undercut by her own dad and his pet lackey. Don't know anyone in that situation, even someone more even tempered or mellow than Steph is, who
wouldn't get wildly pissed off a lot when that happens.
It all comes down to the fact that the main working relationship in WWE isn't StepHHH or Vince & StepHHH. It's this unholy monstrosity and
credible information over the years indicates it's what caused most of the problems, poor booking, and other bad decisions in the upper
offices:
Push Batista, not Daniel Bryan! Orton should beat Cesaro again tonight! Turn Lana into That 80's Girl! Roman Reigns is the future of the
company! Freemasons run the country! HISSSSSSSS!
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posted on 3-16-2016 at 03:26 AM
With all the wonky decisions that seem to be being made these days you have to wonder whats in the water at Titan Tower...
ETA: not sure if this has been reported yet but a photo has surfaced of former NXT head writer Ryan Byers (pictured center) heading up his first
creative meeting as head writer of Smackdown!:
[Edited on 3/16/2016 by CM Crunk]
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quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Anyone who knows how to transfer this in it's entirety over to another thread should get this one in the Memory Jogger thread as a POTY
candidate ASAP. Well done!
You registered eight years ago and you don't know how to copy a quote? You even quoted the post! Just take it and put it into the other thread!
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quote:Originally posted by Matte
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Anyone who knows how to transfer this in it's entirety over to another thread should get this one in the Memory Jogger thread as a POTY
candidate ASAP. Well done!
You registered eight years ago and you don't know how to copy a quote? You even quoted the post! Just take it and put it into the other thread!
Quiet you. Every time I try to do it from thread-to-thread I fuck it up somehow. Tried it multiple times previously and it never worked. OO
communicates differently with each separate computer and for some reason it won't let my one do that.
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quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
ETA: not sure if this has been reported yet but a photo has surfaced of former NXT head writer Ryan Byers (pictured center) heading up his first
creative meeting as head writer of Smackdown!:
* Word on the street is that former NXT head writer Ryan Byers has been urgently summoned back to the Performance Centre to rework Shinsuke
Nakamura's TitanTron video set to debut at NXT Dallas:
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quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:Originally posted by Matte
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Anyone who knows how to transfer this in it's entirety over to another thread should get this one in the Memory Jogger thread as a POTY
candidate ASAP. Well done!
You registered eight years ago and you don't know how to copy a quote? You even quoted the post! Just take it and put it into the other thread!
Quiet you. Every time I try to do it from thread-to-thread I fuck it up somehow. Tried it multiple times previously and it never worked. OO
communicates differently with each separate computer and for some reason it won't let my one do that.
I'll give it the ol' college try, if somebody else hasn't already? I can -usually- do copypasta. It's one of the few
internettery things I'm half-competent at.
ETA: Woooo! It worked! Copypasta is hot & saucy, and in the jogger thread. I could use a hot & saucy jogger right now. *Yes! Yes! YES!.gif goes
here*
[Edited on 3-16-2016 by Count Zero]
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Hee!
[Edited on 3/16/2016 by Paddlefoot]
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quote:Originally posted by CCharger
quote:Originally posted by royberto
Umm, no they haven't. While Steph may have the title, Vince and Kevin Dunn are the ones calling the shots. Therefore, we really
don't know what she is truly capable of on her own. HHH running NXT tells me they both could be very good with Vince and Dunn completely out of
the way.
God, I'm going to regret replying to you, but I can't let this slide.
No, Kevin Dunn is not on the Creative team. He is the Executive Vice President in charge of TV Production. He is in charge of producing all the TV
shows, special events, skits, vignettes, entrances, etc. While he may hold great sway over Vince, he is not involved in the creative aspect of WWE. At
all. Period. Meanwhile, Stephanie was on the creative team from 2002 (starting as director of creative) until 2013 (by this time she was Executive
Vice President, Creative. In 2013, Trips was named Executive Vice President, Talent, Live Events, and Creative. However, Trips has been on the
creative team for many years.
So, sorry, Berto, but you are completely and categorically wrong.
As an aside, if you read carefully, you would have seen how I explained that Trips does NOT "run" NXT, and NXT's success probably won't
mean WWE will get better once StepHHH takes over.
ETA: I'm tired of this topic now.
[Edited on 3-15-2016 by CCharger] No, I am not wrong. I ceded that Steph is on the creative team, but because Vince(with Dunn) calls all the
shots she really has no power or control. Ditto for HHH. HHH has even admitted that he really has no creative power on Raw/Smackdown because Vince is
in control and that it is futile to try to change Vince's mind. You can spit all the corporate titles at me you want. You can spew how long they
have been on the team. That doesn't automatically equate to real power. That does not change the fact that Vince calls the shots(with heavy
influence from Kevin Dunn) and that HHH/and Steph are along for the ride. We truly won't know what those two are capable of until Vince and
Kevin Dunn are gone, so your last statement is unprovable at best.
I know, you have a anti-HHH/Steph agenda to run so you will automatically declare my facts wrong, but whatever. I'm done with your trolling.
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quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Gonna have to call you on this one because Roy never said, or even suggested, that Dunn was in charge of Creative. You made this one up on your own.
All anyone, including Roy, ever suggested was that Dunn has as much (or even more) influence over Vince as StepHHH does. I don't doubt that
Steph can be a mega-bitch when she wants to because she's a McMahon after all. She's also trying lead a department that regularly gets
undercut by her own dad and his pet lackey. Don't know anyone in that situation, even someone more even tempered or mellow than Steph is, who
wouldn't get wildly pissed off a lot when that happens.
Exactly.
There have been a few former WWE writers that have publicly stated that Steph is great to be around when Vince isn't while she is a bitch to be
with when Vince is around. Sher ceratinly isn't going to go against her father even when she believes he has lost it. HHH ceratinly won't
because he does have a lot to lose, something Steph doesn't. He is going to pick his battles(i.e. fighting to get the post-TLC main event beat
down).
Additionally, we always hear about Vince re-writing the Raw script at the last moment and micromanaging almost regularly. So, how can we know what
Steph is actually capable of or actually writing if Vince is always doing that? How can we know what she can do if she is constantly undercut? WIth
HHH, we can look at NXT as tangible evidence of his capabilities because Vince & Kevin aren't mucking things up. And it seems that Steph would
love to take that and make that Monday Night Raw. It then stands to reason that they aren't the terrible people who will do nothing to improve
WWE after Vince is gone that they are made out to be.
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
[Edited on 3/16/2016 by CM Crunk]
Is that Kevin Dunn?
[Edited on 3-16-2016 by royberto]
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Re-railing the thread:
* Chris Jericho's interaction with Charles Robinson was a shoot. They were legit angry with each other. Things were smoothed over backstage and
there is no heat on anyone.
* Ken Anderson was recently fired for failing a drug test. He apparently showed up to a house show so intoxicated that he was not allowed to wrestle.
He was tested and subsequently fired after he refused to seek treatment.
* The WWE is planning some big changes to Roman Reigns once he wins the belt at Mania. They have already nixed his crowd entrance for a more
traditional one and he will be shedding the SHIELD gear because they want to show off his physique more.
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
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There have reportedly been recent disagreements between Triple H and Vince McMahon over how the company is using Brock Lesnar.
Vince feels Lesnar should be main eventing WrestleMania 32 because of all the money they are paying him, but there�s a lot of concern that the No
Holds Barred Street Fight against Dean Ambrose isn�t big enough to main event.
Triple H apparently wants his WWE World Heavyweight Title defense against Roman Reigns to headline but there�s speculation that Vince may be losing
faith in Reigns.
Some believe the logical main event would be Shane McMahon vs. The Undertaker inside Hell In a Cell but that would depend on how they decide to end
that match. The feeling is that either Hell In a Cell or the WWE World Title match will close the show.
This was not meant to take away from Ambrose but Vince really wanted more star power to go against Lesnar and has been really disappointed that they
couldn�t get The Rock to wrestle.
Countdown to Brock vs Cena/Orton/Triple H for the WWE title?
But I do emphatically agree with pretty-damn-near everything Charger
wrote. Those were good words. 
