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Subject: (NO LONGER SPOILERS) Smackdown Spoilers: Fuck the WWE Edition (In Which OO Wets Itself at News of Orton's Title Win)
Flash
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 03:27 AM
While I can appreciate JR's perspective on things, I think he's underestimating how little faith those that are writing in have in how the
WWE has shown themselves to follow through on plans or to put on compelling TV anymore. Maybe its not a knee jerk reaction, maybe that was the
breaking point?
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 04:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
One, Jim Ross commented on the title switch:
"Christian and Randy Orton had a great TV match on Smackdown but I don't buy into the 'tragedy' that some fans flooded us with here
on our site due to Christian losing the World Title. It isn't as if the loss ended Christian's career and who's to say that
'Captain Charisma' won't regain the title at a later date? Those that truly understand the nature of the genre have a different
mindset than those who are knee jerking themselves silly."
So, a guy who just wrestled a tag team whipping match against another announcer in a storyline nearly two PPVs past it's expiry date is
suggesting that a certain set of fans don't understand the nature of the genre.
I like JR but...um, ok. Sure.
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 04:18 AM
JR's fucked in the head if he thinks that no one can see through WEE's cynicism in all of this. For a guy who got fired at least twice on
the most capricious of reasons, and got brought back in such a manner that it totally buried at least one of the guys (Joey Styles) who had replaced
him, he ought to know better.
Orton = t-shirt sales + screaming bitches + current random appearance in some movie. Christian just doesn't, despite having infinitely greater
wrestling* and promo abilities than Orton ever will. At least they could try to be honest about the reasons why if only for a little while.
* oh, oh, there's me using that bad word again.....
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 03:21 PM
JR's PR replies always bug the shit out of me. Not only are they condescending as hell, but I doubt he believes half the pap he writes. I
really don't see how any reasonable person could call a pure emotional response to a well-respected veteran being fucked as a 'knee-jerk
reaction', but I don't work in the Bizarro land called WWE. Over there, cats love dogs, and the Jews and Palestinians hug and call each
other 'brother'.
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 04:56 PM
RE: Orton's Popularity
I went over this about 15 months ago when he went from heel to face without doing anything, but here are my reasons why.
1) MOST IMPORTANT: He is awesome in the video game. Nothing more, nothing less. The guy has about 148 different signature moves and 900 variations
of the RKO, not to mention that he is rated about a 95 out of 100. What that means is that every kid with the game generally picks him because its
OMG WAY KEWLER than using Cena, but effects the same result. Please note that he started getting cheers two winters ago which was a month or two
after SD vs Raw 10 came out. Laugh this off if you want but I'm virtually certain this has a large something to do with it.
2) SECOND MOST IMPORTANT: 2 WrestleMania's ago he was put into a heel-heel-heel triple threat match where no one wanted DiBiase to win, only I
wanted Cody to win, and what was left were 20 minutes a show for 2 months where the fans needed to root for someone. They chose Orton by default
since he was the most famous by a wide margin.
3) Vince, and most of America are possibly gay for male models and every girl I know who has ever seen him wants to F his brains out.
4) He has a pretty good entrance theme.
5) If Cena is Rock than Orton is Stone Cold. Somewhere out there is a 12 year old who will tell you that Steve Austin was an overrated bum that
couldn't hold a candle to Orton. Somewhere else a kid is telling someone else that Nickleback kicks Pearl Jam's ass. So I guess what
I'm getting at is sometimes you can't account for taste... um... or stupidity.
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As for Christian, well, the dude got royally screwed, but Vince has zero history of pushing cruiserweights as World Champions unless he has no choice.
HBK was arguably the greatest of all time, and both he and Hitman only got where they got due to McMahon's steroid trial. Mysterio only got
his after Guerrero's death. Hell Eddie and Voldemort only got theirs after roiding up to become heavyweight's themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Christian's but he isn't as talented as any of the 5 men in the previous paragraph, and
with two mega stars in house already (Orton and Cena) Vince is far from being booked into a corner on this one.
Also, don't put it past Vince to have done this for nothing more than a big FU to Christian for dumping WWE in 2004. Dude holds grudges and has
a notedly sick sense of humor.
I'm with Punk.
denverpunk
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 07:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
5) If Cena is Rock than Orton is Stone Cold. Somewhere out there is a 12 year old who will tell you that Steve Austin was an overrated bum that
couldn't hold a candle to Orton. Somewhere else a kid is telling someone else that Nickleback kicks Pearl Jam's ass. So I guess what
I'm getting at is sometimes you can't account for taste... um... or stupidity.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Christian's but he isn't as talented as any of the 5 men in the previous paragraph, and
with two mega stars in house already (Orton and Cena) Vince is far from being booked into a corner on this one.
Randy is just like Stone Cold -- except Stone Cold was a terrific promo guy, connected with people other than little girls, and at one time was one
damned good technical wrestler.
About that last blurb...well, to each their own opinion, but that one seems a little laughable. Cody Rhodes has potential, but lacks gravitas and has
never been in a signature match -- Christian does and has been in several. Ted DiBiase has been lost at sea for about a year now, and has never shown
anything to suggest that he has a personality that we should give a damn about -- much less his father's. Randy Orton has value and sells
merch, but Christian does everything involving the 'entertainment' part of this business better than him: wrestle, talk, and not shit in
random gym bags. I'll concede Cena, since he works his ass off and connects to the fans better than anyone since the Rock.
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 07:41 PM
Ooo! Ooo! Totally meaningless thing here, but I feel less crazy: Orton directly used the Angle Slam as a setup to the RKO in this match, even though
it got countered. I swear he's done this before, too. This goes back to some other thread about the Angle/Orton move stealing thing which I
can't find.
I was super-upset about Christian's loss when I heard about it, but having seen it, there's a glimmer of hope that it leads to a heel turn
for one of the two and a big feud. I'd be totally fine with that.
The other object of consolation: if you remember the date of Osama's assassination, you'll remember the day Christian won the title for
the first time. Like, forever. Who else can you say that for?
X-Box Live: Mr Whale Jr. Message me who you are, though!
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 09:12 PM
Gotta love how JR thinks we should all have absolute faith in the writers, because they have never screwed up a major storyline or completely killed
someone's momentum.
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 09:49 PM
Denverpunk,
I was talking about HBK, Brett Hart, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as being more talented than Christian. Not Cody or Ted.
I'm with Punk.
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 09:52 PM
I've been watching Stargate: Universe all day, a desperate attempt to catch up ahead of the series finale. Incidentally, I have spoilers:
They're all Timelords and Destiny's mission is to escape Instrumentality.
Anyway, they've played quite a few promos for Smackdown which seem to indicate that Christian will either be turning heel or be given his
walking papers soon (based on Professional Wrestling Logic).
The promo basically glosses over Christians title win and then proudly celebrates Orton's win. That section might as well be scored with
this:
Now, that could mean a lot of things. But all signs point towards WWE's rumoured feelings on Christian to be an accurate report.
Apparently Amanda Bynes and Charlie Sheen are related, because she's full of the same kind of
crazy.
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 09:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
Denverpunk,
I was talking about HBK, Brett Hart, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as being more talented than Christian. Not Cody or Ted.
Christian blows Brett away when it comes to promos, is light years beyond anything Mysterio brings to the table and is equally as talented as Eddie
and Benoit. Only Michaels can make a case for being better, and I'm sure there is someone who thinks Christian is better than him. Statements
like that are pretty subjective.
I remember Lucky Lopez.
dev are you going to give me your address or do i have to check the registered sex offender data base (Firewoman trying to set up a three way meet on
03/20/2011)
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 10:15 PM
We can have this discussion all day, but there is no way I'd put Christian anywhere near Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, and Bret Hart. Christian
might be better than Hart and Benoit with promos, but in terms of overall package? No sell for me. I'd put him near or above Mysterio, but I
don't look at Rey and hate him for everything he's ever been a part of.
VOTE!
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 10:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
quote:Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
You all say FUCK WWE, yet continue to watch it.
Over. And over. And over. Again.
Get the fuck out of here with that tired ass argument.
Argument? I'm stating a fucking fact, bro.
Don't be envious of the fact that I totally abolished that crap out of my daily life after I realized "you know, I hate this product, nothing
ever changes, anything cool that does happen is immediately forgotten or MADE to be forgotten, so why do I continue to watch it?"
Sorry if I choose to say "no" to WWE.
Sorry if I harp on those who DO say "no" to WWE, yet continue to watch.
You think I smiled when I read christian won the title? Your damn right I did. You think I was surprised when I read on 411 that Orton had just won
the title from him less than 2 days after Christian won it? Not in the fucking slightest, and my brain followed proper, like a storm trooper saying
"MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG".
[Edited on 5-9-2011 by CamstunPWG187]
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posted on 5-9-2011 at 10:24 PM
I have no problem with you saying "no" to WWE. Sometimes I wish I would say "no" to them as well. The "why are you still watching the show then,
dumdum?" thing is just so old. I've seen people explain why they still watch when things are near the bottom of the hill time and time again,
yet it's still repeated week after week. So thumbs up to you for boycotting, but some of us will still watch because it's instinctual,
because we're hoping for some nice surprises, because there are small parts of the shows that we do still enjoy and are willing to subject
ourselves to all the idiotic stuff to see them, etc. It was nothing against you, so apologies if you took it as such (though I don't think you
did because I see the smiley at the end of your post, so that's good), it's just the "why do you still watch?" thing that irrationally
irritates me.
In other yet related news, PWTorch is reporting that this show received the lowest rating for SmackDown this year.
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posted on 5-10-2011 at 01:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
RE: Orton's Popularity
I went over this about 15 months ago when he went from heel to face without doing anything, but here are my reasons why.
1) MOST IMPORTANT: He is awesome in the video game. Nothing more, nothing less. The guy has about 148 different signature moves and 900 variations
of the RKO, not to mention that he is rated about a 95 out of 100. What that means is that every kid with the game generally picks him because its
OMG WAY KEWLER than using Cena, but effects the same result. Please note that he started getting cheers two winters ago which was a month or two
after SD vs Raw 10 came out. Laugh this off if you want but I'm virtually certain this has a large something to do with it.
I believe this. I remember Lex Luger being this most difficult guy to beat on WrestleMania the Arcade Game. If a guy is getting a push he gets a good
video game makeover.
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posted on 5-10-2011 at 01:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
Denverpunk,
I was talking about HBK, Brett Hart, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as being more talented than Christian. Not Cody or Ted.
Whoops. Many mea culpas to you.
cromartie
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posted on 5-10-2011 at 03:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
I have no problem with you saying "no" to WWE. Sometimes I wish I would say "no" to them as well. The "why are you still watching the show then,
dumdum?" thing is just so old. I've seen people explain why they still watch when things are near the bottom of the hill time and time again,
yet it's still repeated week after week. So thumbs up to you for boycotting, but some of us will still watch because it's instinctual,
because we're hoping for some nice surprises, because there are small parts of the shows that we do still enjoy and are willing to subject
ourselves to all the idiotic stuff to see them, etc. It was nothing against you, so apologies if you took it as such (though I don't think you
did because I see the smiley at the end of your post, so that's good), it's just the "why do you still watch?" thing that irrationally
irritates me.
.
If you watch the product in a way from which the WWE does not derive revenue (i.e. you do not have a PPM or some sort of television audience measuring
device, or don't watch the Hulu feed of Smackdown), then it's no harm no foul. You're voluntarily wasting your own time, but
that's it, really.
It's forking over money for and enabling any business that provides you with what you judge to be a substandard product that actually makes you
a sucker. This is a better place to draw the line.
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