Chris Is Good517
 
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Am I supposed to still be in wait & see mode?
I dunno? That angle certainly isn't for everybody. I don't even know how I feel about it. But it's different, and isn't that
what everyone said they wanted?
Show ends with Cena on top? We bitch.
Show ends with Cena losing? We bitch because we don't like who he's losing to.
Show ends with something completely different? We still bitch.
Sometimes I think that short of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan running roughshod and making the entire WWE roster tap out in the middle of the ring to end
the show, some of you guys will never be pleased. And even then, someone's going to come in and bitch because they think Punk is overrated.
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dragondragon
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The crowd booed the entire WWE roster, cameramen and announcers and intermittently cheered Triple H as he stood with his arms raised and a wry smile
on his face for ten minutes on live television. He finally did it. He buried the entire roster all at once.
Damn he's good.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by dragondragon
The crowd booed the entire WWE roster, cameramen and announcers and intermittently cheered Triple H as he stood with his arms raised and a wry smile
on his face for ten minutes on live television. He finally did it. He buried the entire roster all at once.
Damn he's good.
HA! Well played sir.
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sam795
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I could get behind all of this IF I thought it might be headed somewhere fun & interesting. But instead I just have this sinking feeling that this
whole thing is the lamest effort yet in the annual We Gotta Write Vinnie Mac Off TV For His Vacation series, and that his inevitable return is all
that it is leading to. Nothing more, nothing less, just a lazy way to get to the expected conclusion.
K2's shrieking was not only annoying but wang deflating. God help her many notches in the bedpost if that's the way she acts in the
sack.
I think I finally figured out what the disconnect is with Mark Henry, atleast for some. Henry is so reminiscent of the monster du jour that Hogan used
to battle in the 80's...King Kong Bundy, Earthquake, Hercules, etc. But those guys would challenge Hulkster, get beat on PPV & lose the feud,
and become an afterthought. We're not used to guys like Henry actually getting a run with the belt. I'm kind of digging his schtick, and
no one is more shocked by that than me.
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cardscott5
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I thought the end was pretty interesting. JR being the last guy to walk out, and the last face left was kind of strange. It would have been a much
more powerful moment if Cena, Orton or Punk did something. I was waiting for Punk to get in the ring and talk to HHH about everything he's done
wrong and maybe stick up for him, but no one came out.
I thought the tag match was a lot of fun. Interesting that Sheamus was the one to get the pin.
As for Smackdown, they could say Teddy Long is the GM of Smackdown, and it's his show. I dunno, it doesn't make sense when you break it
down.
There were a couple of pointless segments. Mainly the Santino squash of Jinder MahJobber that would have been a boring Superstars match, and the promo
with Christian, Ziggler and so on. HHH came out and called them pussies and no one did a thing. Michael Cole saying something like "What was the
point of that?" actually spoke for the fan base.
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punkerhardcore
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Next week HHH should bring in a bunch of indie worker scabs. That could be how they debut guys like Kings of Wrestling and Tyler Black. Don't
really know where else they could go since literally everyone walked out tonight. Though I'd imagine everything is resolved on Smackdown and
next week is back to business as usual.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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rawmonkey
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The more I think about it, the more I hate the "no confidence" B.S.
Oh noes! An announcer were attack and subject to physical assault!
Oh noes! Persons of fired appear from crowd and attack!
Oh noes! Lady women of WWE feel unsafe from attack!
Oh noes! Every goddamned storyline from wrasslin' history is now unacceptable and all wrasslers mad and walk out! Total sense this makes!
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
And so far, we are 45 minutes into RAW and we have had two squash matches and a no-contest for a whopping 7 minutes or so of wrestling
There's no way Orton/McIntyre was a squash. Yeah, Orton won, but McIntyre got to look surprisingly competitive for a guy who hasn't been
on TV since I don't know when. And I would normally agree about the match times, but having the near 30-minute six on six match kind of made up
for it in my book.
quote:
Originally posted by Stu
"Complete Afterthoughts" don't main event 4 PPVs in a row, 3 of which are title matches, 2 of which they win. "Complete Afterthoughts"
aren't continuously given exposure and as much mic time as Punk has, even since the angle has cooled off a bit. "Complete Afterthoughts"
aren't booked to look as strong in defeat as Punk was, what with all the general punishment of a triple threat match, in a HIAC, plus going
through a table, plus getting pinned(not made to tap out) due to a lead pipe beating. "Complete Afterthoughts" do not get the company shelling out
for the rights to license theme music like Punk has, or as much merchandise for him as he has. Not being champion or being in another championship
match (yet, since the PPV was only last fucking night) does not make you a "Complete Afterthought". WWE COULD be doing more with Punk, sure, and
they WERE doing more with him not too long ago, but overall, by their standards, this is a push, and he's still in a much better place than he
was six months ago. This is not me saying "wait and see", this is me saying all things considered, Punk should be pretty happy with where he is
right now, because he's been in much worser spots.
I pretty much agree with this. Yeah, they dropped the ball on the Punk angle by inserting Triple H/Nash, but as Stu said the guy has main-evented four
PPVs in a row (going over Cena in two of them) and you can probably make that five come Survivor Series. So yeah, I won't argue they derailed
what they had going, but this is easily the best spot Punk has ever been in in the WWE. And the current Miz/Truth stuff is going so well that I feel
they've kind of righted things after messing up the Punk angle, even if Punk isn't directly involved.
quote:
Originally posted by Cherokee Jack
Haha, the comment "Kayfabe lives!" was visible at the bottom of the screen during Miz and Truth's Youtube video.
I thought that was pretty hilarious as well and almost wondered if some production guy left that visible as a joke. But no, they probably just missed
it.
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After Raw went off the air, Zack Ryder comes back out to change his mind, and gets Pedigreed by HHH.
http://vids.wwe.com/13503/wwecom-exclusive-triple-h-counte
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DudeLove721
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My friend had a point with the no confidence vote too. They cite it as an unsafe working environment. When you consider the things that happened
during the Attitude era that went unchecked though, it's just kind of silly:
- Undertaker crucified people
- Kane set a stagehand on fire and there were even inferno matches
- Buh Buh Ray was infatuated with putting women through tables
- Big Bossman was actually hung from HiaC
- HHH was dropped from a crane in a car
- Austin tried to murder Rikishi via vehicular homicide
- Foley/Funk were put in a garbage bin and launched off the stage
- Naked Mideon
- Etc, etc, etc...
But suddenly a bell shot, announcers getting beaten up by unruly champions and two fired employees coming back with metal pipes and bats create a more
unsafe working environment, one that leads to a no confidence vote and the entire roster walking out... ooookay then.
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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dragondragon
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I have to admit I'm mildly interested in where they go with this, but I agree with what was said earlier. How is THIS an unsafe working
environment in WWE world? People have been fired and appeared later to cause chaos over and over again in WWE. As Triple H said, Nexus destroyed the
entire set, choked out the ring announcer, and "tried to destroy WWE" all while being kayfabe unemployed at the time. It really rings hollow that
Truth and Miz do one run-in and get arrested and a bunch of roided up bodybuilders are whining that it's unsafe. DX did far worse than this and
the entire roster cheered them on. Also, the refs choose NOW to complain that they get beat up all the time? Have they conveniently forgotten every
match they've ever officiated? They're trying to make people forget an entire era of wrestling so that they can start this new
"reality" era and it just comes off as really silly.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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If folks hate the show so bloody much than don't watch. I haven't watched in a few weeks now. I read about it and if there is anything
interesting I'll hunt it down on youtube. Trust me, it's better for your mental health.
For example, I watched the closing segment to see how ridiculous it was and it lived up to it. Just like during Punk vs HHH with Punk wanting change
which was essentially shitting all over the current product, now you have HHH saying the current wrestlers are lame and weak for bringing lawyers in
etc. So once again the wwe bookers are shitting on the current product - so if they don't like it, why should the viewer?
And HHH and his lame ass crowd pander "I work for you, the wwe universe" is lame shit. It's desperation pandering. I hated it when Punk went
into "I want change the wwe for the fans" hypermode when he came back after his big one week absence with the title.
It's to the point where I think the wwe is in real trouble, they don't have a clue what will sell anymore. They're too worried
about low ratings to ever try to build anything or anybody.
They completely fucked up the Punk storyline because of their hard-on for instant gratification of ratings. They completely fucked up Punk vs Cena as
a long term program because Stephanie wanted her husband to be the central figure.
Punk's pop in Chicago to now only a few months later. It would have been like Austin giving his 3:16 speech and than deciding "Meh, we
don't think that worked, let's go in a different direction". Or quitting on The Rock's "Die, Rocky, Die" heel turn because he
was taking too much heat from the established heels.
WWE isn't the company to catch lightning in a bottle and run with it anymore, they're about the status quo and 3.0+ ratings as the end all
be all.
PS. Mark Henry is 40 yrs old. While a run is a good career capper, I can't help but think such a push would have been better off on a guy maybe
10 years younger.
[Edited on 10-4-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
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anglefan85
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IMO, Beth's character got killed last night.
She's spent the past few weeks getting beaten by Kelly Kelly, a girl that a woman like Beth should be able to tear right through. After winning
the championship on Sunday, I started to have hope for her. Then yesterday, Kelly beats her down without Beth being able to show any offense at
all.
And then she goes out and says that, basically taking away all credibility her character, a strong-willed ass-kicker who has never hidden behind the
fact that she is a woman and isn't afraid of mixing it up with the male wrestlers if need be, had.
The moment Beth referred to herself as a girl that is afraid for her well-being, I'm sure that somewhere in Columbus, Ohio, Firewoman had a
stroke.
[Edited on 10-4-2011 by anglefan85]
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Wickedfrost
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The whole storyline sucks. Period. It's going to end up with "The Union" and then VKM is going to come in and break it because that's
what Republicans do.
Stay wet my friends.
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gobbledygooker
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Am I supposed to still be in wait & see mode?
No.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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DudeLove721
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
If folks hate the show so bloody much than don't watch. I haven't watched in a few weeks now. I read about it and if there is anything
interesting I'll hunt it down on youtube. Trust me, it's better for your mental health.
For example, I watched the closing segment to see how ridiculous it was and it lived up to it. Just like during Punk vs HHH with Punk wanting change
which was essentially shitting all over the current product, now you have HHH saying the current wrestlers are lame and weak for bringing lawyers in
etc. So once again the wwe bookers are shitting on the current product - so if they don't like it, why should the viewer?
And HHH and his lame ass crowd pander "I work for you, the wwe universe" is lame shit. It's desperation pandering. I hated it when Punk went
into "I want change the wwe for the fans" hypermode when he came back after his big one week absence with the title.
It's to the point where I think the wwe is in real trouble, they don't have a clue what will sell anymore. They're too worried
about low ratings to ever try to build anything or anybody.
They completely fucked up the Punk storyline because of their hard-on for instant gratification of ratings. They completely fucked up Punk vs Cena as
a long term program because Stephanie wanted her husband to be the central figure.
Punk's pop in Chicago to now only a few months later. It would have been like Austin giving his 3:16 speech and than deciding "Meh, we
don't think that worked, let's go in a different direction". Or quitting on The Rock's "Die, Rocky, Die" heel turn because he
was taking too much heat from the established heels.
WWE isn't the company to catch lightning in a bottle and run with it anymore, they're about the status quo and 3.0+ ratings as the end all
be all.
PS. Mark Henry is 40 yrs old. While a run is a good career capper, I can't help but think such a push would have been better off on a guy maybe
10 years younger.
[Edited on 10-4-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
Let me get this straight: You started off your post telling people to stop watching the show if they hate it so much. Then you proceeded to tell
everyone how you saught out the ending because of how much people were complaining about it. Then you joined in to complain about it yourself.
How exactly is this any better?
I realize no one is pointing a gun to our heads to watch this stuff but as fans of wrestling, I think we have a right to discuss the product -- either
positively or negatively. I think some of the posts here are incredibly stupid but, using your own logic, if you don't like it... don't
read it. That's generally what I do.
And I am not just targeting you here, I go to a few sites where people do the "if you don't like it, don't watch it" thing in a
discussion and it just annoys me in general.
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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mooseheadjack
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
There's no way Orton/McIntyre was a squash. Yeah, Orton won, but McIntyre got to look surprisingly competitive for a guy who hasn't been
on TV since I don't know when. And I would normally agree about the match times, but having the near 30-minute six on six match kind of made up
for it in my book.
I don't see how you can call it anything BUT a squash. McIntyre got the jobber entrance during the commercial, then got beat in like 3 minutes.
He got some token moves in, but was never in any serious position to win the match. Even during the old days of superstars Barry Horowitz would get
a few moves in. And then Orton dropped him after the bell because........because why exactly? Because they desperately want Orton to be the next
Austin
And no, the 12 man match DOESN'T make up for it. The 12 man was a good match on its own, but that doesn't make up for an hour of Orton
squash, Henry squash, diva no-contest and Santino squash.
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lz4005
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With HHH standing there alone in the ring I had two thoughts:
1) those independent contractors should form a union or something
2) that would have been the best time ever for a fan run in
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by DudeLove721
Let me get this straight: You started off your post telling people to stop watching the show if they hate it so much. Then you proceeded to tell
everyone how you saught out the ending because of how much people were complaining about it. Then you joined in to complain about it yourself.
How exactly is this any better?
I realize no one is pointing a gun to our heads to watch this stuff but as fans of wrestling, I think we have a right to discuss the product -- either
positively or negatively. I think some of the posts here are incredibly stupid but, using your own logic, if you don't like it... don't
read it. That's generally what I do.
And I am not just targeting you here, I go to a few sites where people do the "if you don't like it, don't watch it" thing in a
discussion and it just annoys me in general.
I read a whole report in maybe 2-3 minutes, not dedicating 2 hours to it. You can discuss it all you want, but when you constantly hate it and still
watch it - what's the point (sure I stopped watching the infamous 'Punk Shoots' Raw halfway through and missed it, but found it on
the internet within minutes). Do you keep going back to a bad restaurant hoping the food/service will be good next time or do you write it off until
you hear it has new management/ new cook and is getting good reviews?
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Paddlefoot
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517Show ends with Cena on top? We bitch.
Show ends with Cena losing? We bitch because we don't like who he's losing to.
Show ends with something completely different? We still bitch.
Sometimes I think that short of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan running roughshod and making the entire WWE roster tap out in the middle of the ring to end
the show, some of you guys will never be pleased. And even then, someone's going to come in and bitch because they think Punk is overrated.
Good summary of exactly why Vince McMahon has always been quite vocal about his preference to ignore the ravings of the internet. Last night's
ending certainly wasn't perfect but it was definitely unique. And I don't see where it went off the rails so badly that it deserves to be
savaged like this.
Aside from a plane crash that kills the entire WWE roster except for CM Punk and Daniel Bryan and forces Vince to immediately hire the entire cast of
ROH as replacements, there probably isn't anything WWE can do to make these critics happy. Which is most likely the exact reason that Vince
deliberately chooses to ignore them and concentrate on the ones that show up, have fun, and buy t-shirts for their kids. Damn him to hell!
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gimmickless
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A decent 12 man tag. The other matches were bleh. And what's with the promotional package hyping up Brodus Clay? I thought he was Hugh Morris
at first.
On the walkout segment: It's unique, I'll give it that. I rarely hear referees on the stick. I've never seen cameramen lay down
their tools and walk. But it could have been so much more. Jerry Lawler was the only face to speak. Everybody else talking was a rulebreaker or
worse, and HHH even got to hang a lampshade on it. Where were the top faces: Punk? Cena? Orton? Kelly Kelly's insane screeching ass?
Don't think the crowd didn't notice.
They did everything in their power to keep HHH looking like the only sane man on the floor, and that annoys me more than anything. This was not a
triple; this was a bunt.
[Edited on 10-4-2011 by gimmickless]
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bochogy
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i think michael cole is an alien
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firewoman
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quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
The moment Beth referred to herself as a girl that is afraid for her well-being, I'm sure that somewhere in Columbus, Ohio, Firewoman had a
stroke.
I wanted to throw things at the screen, but Seamus kept taking them out of my hands. And you know, I'm such a girl, I just kinda let him, cos
he's so scary..
*gag*
I thought the 12-person tag match was pretty entertaining. The Morrison and McIntyre matches were not, although I admit to having some thoughts
about them consoling each other ...
Anyway, the walkout scene was okay, and was trying for dramatic at least. Everyone kept saying there were two options, HHH could keep going down the
same path, or change his ways. They forgot a third option, which was I was hoping for, and that was to fire all their whiny asses, call up all of
FCW, and we get new faces and new angles.
I guess I'm the only one enjoying HHH as COO, but I hope this little walk out thing doesn't ruin it. I guess we find out on Friday?
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cardscott5
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
And HHH and his lame ass crowd pander "I work for you, the wwe universe" is lame shit. It's desperation pandering.
[Edited on 10-4-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
That's part of the reason why I think the end of the show angle worked. HHH was concerned only about what the fans thought, and not what the
people who work for him thought. It showed that HHH didn't really have a leg to stand on in regards to the whole situation, and that in his
desperation to please the crowd, he had lost control of the people that he's supposed to be looking out for, the wrestlers.
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the goon
Sister Act
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quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
I don't see how you can call it anything BUT a squash. McIntyre got the jobber entrance during the commercial, then got beat in like 3 minutes.
He got some token moves in, but was never in any serious position to win the match. Even during the old days of superstars Barry Horowitz would get
a few moves in. And then Orton dropped him after the bell because........because why exactly? Because they desperately want Orton to be the next
Austin
Sorry, still don't see that match as a squash. Khali beating Jinder Mahal in one minute on Smackdown? That's a squash. Orton/McIntyre went
about five and a half minutes and McIntyre was in control for some of the match. I'll agree him not getting an entrance on TV was lame, but the
guy hasn't even gotten a match on RAW in a few months, so it's better than nothing.
quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack And no, the 12 man match DOESN'T make up for it. The 12 man was a good match on its own, but
that doesn't make up for an hour of Orton squash, Henry squash, diva no-contest and Santino squash.
Yeah, but with the 12 man match and the ending segment taking up almost half the show, not to mention the mid-show heel promo and the HIAC footage
being shown, I can see why we got those other short matches. And on any show where I get a good match that goes for nearly a half hour, I can be a
little more forgiving with the other matches being short (though I'll fully agree the Divas stuff was lame).
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