OORick
You and what army? 
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OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (October 3, 2011)
OO Nation: All discussion pertaining to RAW (airing October 3, 2011) should be done in this thread. It will remain pinned at the top of the
Current Events section for the remainder of the week. In discussing the program, we'd love it if you shared your numerical rating for
the show (from a low of 0.0 to a high of 5.0, in any increment of one-tenth of a point). For full details on the ratings scale and how to join in on
this informal "Battle of the Brands," please be sure to check out the OOfficial
Guidelines for TV Ratings/Discussion Threads.
Tonight on RAW: there's nothing officially announced coming off of last night's PPV, but it's not too hard to guess what the
key storylines will be...
First and foremost, the sneak attacks by Miz/Truth -- leading to their arrests at the end of last nights show -- seem certain to be the start of their
worming their way back into WWE (rather than, as would be logical in the real world, justification for WWE to set up Melina-caliber security measures
to keep them away from TV appearances)... one way to accomplish this would be to focus on Triple H beating the crap out of the two after they were
already in handcuffs... Miz/Truth drop those charges if they get their jobs back? Works for me...
That, in turn, leads to HHH's control over the roster (or his lack there of)... in addition to behaving in a way that put him in legal jeopardy
last night, his overall track record since becoming COO has seen him fall prey to the very same mistakes that caused Vince McMahon to be deposed
(namely, making things personal, instead of keeping it All Business)... I vomit in horror at the thought of Vince coming back to TV on a weekly basis,
so hopefully any twist that results in HHH's ouster will have a far better "out" than that...
Alberto del Rio's the WWE Champ again, and just in time for WWE's week long tour of Mexico... but after that tour, Alberto seems likely to
face John Cena at the next PPV (Vengeance, after another too-short 3-week break), as Cena has a contractually obligated rematch as the ex-champ
(something Punk no longer has)... the way the crowd reacted last night, there's still plenty of mileage to be had out of the Punk/Cena feud, but
in the short term, I'd be really surprised if WWE didn't continue doing the usual with the WWE Title: Alberto has the brains to formulate
clever schemes to win stipulation matches (including last night's very nicely booked HiaC), but Cena wins the straight up one-on-one fights, and
in between, Alberto gets to make a run through Mexico as champ...
Where that leaves Punk? Dunno, but if Miz/Truth get their jobs back, Punk would certainly be first or second in line to want to fight them (as they
double-teamed him weeks ago to set up a sneak attack by Nash, and decimated him again last night on PPV), and that could put Punk in a "strange
bedfellows" situation with HHH as part of the on-going power struggle/conspiracy issue...
Other stuff: David Otunga Esq. and his clientelle of mid-carders-aspiring-to-bigger-things (Christian, Ziggler, Swagger, Rhodes) are supposedly making
their big move tonight, which could further undermine HHH's authority... of those featured mid-carders, it'll be worth keeping an eye on
Ziggler and Swagger, to see if they can continue to co-exist as partners in Vickie Guerrero's stable... Zack Ryder holds two consecutive pinfall
wins (in non-title situations) over Ziggler, too, which is hopefully something they follow through on as a US Title feud... Air Boom could use fresh
challengers for the tag titles; Ziggler/Swagger would be one option if they aren't completely dysfunctional, and Miz/Truth would certainly work
if only it didn't seem like a "demotion" for them to go after the tag belts after inserting themselves at the WWE Title Level... hopefully we
can count on Beth Phoenix getting off to a strong start as Women's Champ, including having Kelly and/or Eve getting decimated at her hands (or
at the hands of Beth/Natalya)...
Since RAW is a de facto crossover show every week, now, I'd guess they'd spend their SmackDown-related time doing one of two things:
"rehabbing" Randy Orton with a showcase match and a win after he jobbed cleanly again last night, or having Mark Henry show up to gloat on RAW in
front of the audience that's double the size of SD's (and in so doing, start introducing the concept of Sheamus as his next #1
Contender)... a cameo by Cody Rhodes, in which he shows off the new (old) IC Title belt for all the fans who didn't buy the PPV last night,
would also not be a bad idea...
That's all I got... plenty of stuff for WWE to work with to come up with a fun/compelling show tonight, but due to the vagaries of weather, that
Sabathia vs. Verlander showdown I planned to watch Friday is now taking place tonight, and probably won't be over till after midnight (ah,
Playoff Baseball: Catch the Extra Commercials and Over-Managing!)... so RAW might have to wait till Tuesday evening for me; but don't let that
stop y'all from registing your disgust (or pleasure) in real time tonight....
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Let your voice be heard and your thoughts on Brand Supremacy be known. Don't wait till after 11pm to post,
either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!
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nOOb
The Great One  
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WWE.com has a "blockbuster" twelve man tag pitting ADR, Ziggler, Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Christian, and David Otunga versus John Cena, Kofi, Bourne,
Sheamus, and the reunited super-best-friends team of CM Punk and Mason Ryan. Which immediately means that the rest of the show will be devoid of any
regular mid card stuff.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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mooseheadjack
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so, Punk is relegated to being an afterthought on the face team? Seriously, has the WWE ever botched a potentially HUGE angle this much? This whole
thing has been every bit as bad as the Invasion. Truth and Miz have completely stolen Punk's thunder. At this point, it really seems like the
only way to salvage this is to somehow reveal that Punk has been working with Miz and Truth, but at this point, it really seems like that would feel
tacked on rather than part of the plan all along.
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JB KING
Showstopper 
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Wow, they couldn't even put Ryder on the team? I know it seems small but isn't he feuding with 2 maybe 3 guys on the opposite team? Not to
mention air boom and mayson were involved in his match just last week. Guess he's jobbing to someone or something tonight.
[Edited on 10-3-2011 by JB KING]
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SeanSmythe
Showstopper
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quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
so, Punk is relegated to being an afterthought on the face team? Seriously, has the WWE ever botched a potentially HUGE angle this much? This whole
thing has been every bit as bad as the Invasion. Truth and Miz have completely stolen Punk's thunder. At this point, it really seems like the
only way to salvage this is to somehow reveal that Punk has been working with Miz and Truth, but at this point, it really seems like that would feel
tacked on rather than part of the plan all along.
So its bad that the whole Punk angle while not completely pushing Punk is actually helping other talent get over? Should Punk be the only sole guy
pushed on the roster? I actually like it since the whole Punk/HHH storyline a lot of guys have had the chance to get over via the effect of HHH as the
COO.. Ryder gets air time, Miz/Truth are being pushed as mega heels, Cody Rhodes as a fighting/chicken shit IC Champion (which at the same times gets
the IC title more exposure), ADR (while not a net favorite is new) as a smart heel Champion, and Sheamus by consequence of taking out Christian
becomes an even bigger face. So yeah Christian is getting shit on, and Punk may not be the top guy but thanks to the Punk effect others are getting
exposure.
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mooseheadjack
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I am all for the other guys getting over. Miz, Truth and Cody have all been TONS better since the start of this. It just seems ridiculous that the
man that started it all, Punk, seems to be the completely forgotten man in all of this.
Again, if this all comes around to a Punk, Miz, Truth, Cody group of some sort, then great. But at the moment, Punk seems to be a complete
afterthought, while HHH gets all the air time.
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- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
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nOOb
The Great One
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What? Punk called Triple H's criticism of the UFC stupid. Did anyone NOT think this was coming? I mean, hell, they kept Ryder off of the Long
Island Raw (a Raw that would have potentially brought him to where he is on the card much sooner after the reactions he'd get) for subtle shots
at the company. Punk called bullshit on a guy higher up than he was whilst not on TV in an outlet that not only would have been noticed for the
response, but brought the initial criticism to a new set of biased eyes.
So...he lost to Triple H. He lost to ADR. He's probably going to keep losing and they're possibly going to try to keep moving him to the
background while they get ready for the Rock's Survivor Series comeback and inevitable showdown with Cena.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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Stu
Caledonian Crippler
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"Complete Afterthoughts" don't main event 4 PPVs in a row, 3 of which are title matches, 2 of which they win. "Complete Afterthoughts"
aren't continuously given exposure and as much mic time as Punk has, even since the angle has cooled off a bit. "Complete Afterthoughts"
aren't booked to look as strong in defeat as Punk was, what with all the general punishment of a triple threat match, in a HIAC, plus going
through a table, plus getting pinned(not made to tap out) due to a lead pipe beating. "Complete Afterthoughts" do not get the company shelling out
for the rights to license theme music like Punk has, or as much merchandise for him as he has. Not being champion or being in another championship
match (yet, since the PPV was only last fucking night) does not make you a "Complete Afterthought". WWE COULD be doing more with Punk, sure, and
they WERE doing more with him not too long ago, but overall, by their standards, this is a push, and he's still in a much better place than he
was six months ago. This is not me saying "wait and see", this is me saying all things considered, Punk should be pretty happy with where he is
right now, because he's been in much worser spots.
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rawmonkey
Turd Generation Superstar
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You know the WWE has gone down the rabbit hole when Michael Cole starts making sense.
His exchange with Booker after Booker bitched about Henry giving Jo-Mo a second slam after the match was classic.
Booker: "That's what's wrong with Mark Henry! He could be a role model ..."
Cole: "What about Orton giving the RKO to Drew McIntyre after the match was over?!?"
Booker: "That was different!"
Brilliant logic there, Booker.
Funny thing is, as Orton was attacking McIntyre post-match, I was thinking about Austin, and how, back in the day, I used to LOVE IT when he'd
stun someone for no damn reason. The WWE has basically cast Orton as Austin 2.0, but I just can't get on board. I wonder what's changed.
Am I just a more mature person, or is Orton a black hole of suck with no personality at all beyond being a giant douchebag?
Yeah, it's probably that douchebag thing.
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mooseheadjack
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I would imagine you just grew up. It sucked when Austin did it, it sucks just as bad when Orton does it.
And so far, we are 45 minutes into RAW and we have had two squash matches and a no-contest for a whopping 7 minutes or so of wrestling
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- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
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Cherokee Jack
Fella 
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Haha, the comment "Kayfabe lives!" was visible at the bottom of the screen during Miz and Truth's Youtube video.
I'm Cherokee Jack!
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theflammablemanimal
The Immortal One 
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Why did they pretend that stuff happened after HITC was off the air? And why give away a 12 man tag that's probably going to be almost exactly
the same as a Survivor Series match?
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The Riot Act
Hot, Spicy, ICHIBAN!!! 
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After seeing the replay from last week I think that everyone needs to sell the Rough Ryder like Dolph did. He made that move look great.
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DudeLove721
Fella
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I know K2 has never been talented but tonight she took it to a brand new level. What the flying fuck was that shrill shrieking temper tantrum all
about? I thought she was turning heel because they couldn't possibly have thought such a hillariously bad hissy fit (worthy of a two-year-old)
could be taken seriously as "emotion" over losing the divas title. Honestly, what was the point of that and how can she remain a face despite acting
like such an entitled brat/drama queen/melodramatic whore?
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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gobbledygooker
Sister Act 2 
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quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
What? Punk called Triple H's criticism of the UFC stupid. Did anyone NOT think this was coming? I mean, hell, they kept Ryder off of the Long
Island Raw (a Raw that would have potentially brought him to where he is on the card much sooner after the reactions he'd get) for subtle shots
at the company. Punk called bullshit on a guy higher up than he was whilst not on TV in an outlet that not only would have been noticed for the
response, but brought the initial criticism to a new set of biased eyes.
So...he lost to Triple H. He lost to ADR. He's probably going to keep losing and they're possibly going to try to keep moving him to the
background while they get ready for the Rock's Survivor Series comeback and inevitable showdown with Cena.
You know, I've been wondering how much of that kind of stuff has contributed to his de-push. Things always seemed almost uncomfortably real
when he and HHH would be cutting promos on each other. I bet HHH was just licking his chops thinking about sending Punk back down the totem pole once
their little feud was over.
I loved that footage of Truth and Miz invading Hell In A Cell though. It just seemed very old-school. Cool shit.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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punkerhardcore
The Immortal One 
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Beth is afraid of getting raped.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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Cherokee Jack
Fella
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Strong, Powerful Beth Phoenix just said how scared all the divas are of being hurt by the big bad men.
Amazing.
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rawmonkey
Turd Generation Superstar
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So ... the WWE has decided that turning the entire roster (minus, for some reason, Cena, Punk and Orton) into heels is a smart move. I guess
that's ... interesting?
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Nikhil
Turd Generation Superstar
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All I can say is that I am definitely intrigued for next week's episode. That rarely ever happens anymore.
YNWA
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SeanSmythe
Showstopper
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Walks out of thread.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste
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gobbledygooker
Sister Act 2
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That ending was boring as shit.
HHH gets way too much airtime and it doesn't help that the live crowd creams their pants whenever he's in the ring. Though he eggs them
on by coming out to his normal entrance music, pandering to them, etc. I hope this is going somewhere good because it is boring the hell out of me.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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G-Spot
And I am AWESOME
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The "WWE Universe" signs reading "Kevin Dunn Loves Kayfabe Commentaire" & "Bastion Booger 4 Life" were pretty epic!
I was noticing how Punk, Cena, & Orton were absent as well. I am thinking that next week, they will be the only three to be on air at the opening, and
we'll have some sort of way they become more of the "talking heads" for the rest of the roster, being they are the top guys now.
But I see this paving the way for the inevitable Vinnie Mac return. And the "Johnny Ace is always texting" teases are really getting annoying,
especially since they haven't really addressed it in any way. I mean, wasn't "texting" (to Kevin Nash) what started this downward spiral
of suck storyline?
However, I am intrigued on where this is going to go next week, even though we all know the inevitable conclusion already. So I guess they hooked me
for another week.
The rest of the show was pretty "eh!" for me. Kelly Kelly's screaming, JoMo's always-ready jobbing, and the rest of it all, did nothing
for me.
Now...Bring on the Muppets!!!
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JMD
Fella
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I thought the ending was really epic. When they got down to cameraman laying their equipment down... that was intense. (Hey Rick, who do I talk to
about getting in on some of that WWE money?)
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SeanSmythe
Showstopper
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Im wondering how they are gonna explain Smackdown going on the air without a hitch, almost all that roster walked out. Are we gonna have HHH vs HHH
with special guest ref/time keeper/announcer/color commentator HHH the entire 2 hours?
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DevilSoprano
Pee Wee's Plaything 
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Am I supposed to still be in wait & see mode?
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